Fuckin Bill

Just doing some routine checks on incoming referrers on one of my sites today, I came across this site: http://safeadultweb.com/main.shtml

They are ditributing a toolbar that will bypass traffic scripts on TGP/MGP type sites, and probably others. This in itself is bad enough for TGP owners, as it will completely screw up productivity numbers if enough of your surfers are using it. They currently have a list of over 800 sites that it works with, and there are some pretty big names on that list.

Upon further investigation, this Thread was brought to light on a spyware forum. The registrant of the domain mentioned there is also the current registrant of the domain safeadultweb.com

Registrant:
Exeneden Group Ltd.
14 Niche Willy Arena Str.
Gzira, MT GZR-06
MT
+356.347689


Domain Name: SAFEADULTWEB.COM

Administrative Contact:
Koval, Andrew [email protected]
14 Niche Willy Arena Str.
Gzira, MT GZR-06
MT
+356.347689


Technical Contact:
Koval, Andrew [email protected]
14 Niche Willy Arena Str.
Gzira, MT GZR-06
MT
+356.347689


Record expires on 02-05-2008
Record created on 02-05-2007

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.HOSTING.FLYINGCROC.NET 207.246.129.73
NS2.HOSTING.FLYINGCROC.NET 207.246.129.74

I don't know if it's faked or not, but you'll also notice the email address given there for Admin contact is [email protected]

This toolbar does not identify itself in the user-agent field, it is being distributed 100% free, and there is no advertising or upsells on either the safeadultweb.com pages, or the sawtoolbar.com pages. The toolbar also works off a database provided from their server that needs to be updated and maintained.

I find it hard to believe anyone would go through all that trouble just to help out Joe Surfer. It smells of someone trying to get a ton of installs and then turning it into something bad for a windfall of cash.

I just wanted to make people aware, and see if maybe someone can come up with a way through Java or PHP to detect it in the user's browser and redirect them.

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Lee

Damn, Auntpolly has been around for years as well.

Fuckin Bill

Let's also note that the nameservers appear to belong to the sextracker crew.

DateDoc

wow, so it cuts off trading traffic too

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suesheboy

wow. this looks like a big problem brewwing.

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nikad

it just doesn´t look very good......

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KimJI

Flyingcroc/sextracker are no strangers to these types of software or toolbars

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Fuckin Bill

Yes, that's the point. I think it's going to turn into a malware problem eventually, but for right now it screws with traffic scripts. It does NOT alter the URL's, it goes completely around the traffic script. So any surfer using this will always show a prod of 0%. It'll not only take away from traffic you're sending out, but it can make real trades look unproductive, even if they're clicking like crazy.

And of course there's always the threat that it could start changing URL's, mangle or replace affiliate codes, launch popups, or start installing some other kind of malware in the future.

Chr0makey

Interesting thread. Anyone know anything more about this?

BV

Hmm interesting. I guess you could write a little code and send everyone with that toolbar somewhere nice.

Turboface

Thanks for letting us know. I can't wait to see how this plays out.

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Fuckin Bill

If you come up with something that'll detect it on the server, I really hope you'll consider sharing.

Fuckin Bill

Here's a couple more links. The auntpolly email address is apparently real:

http://www.yellowprickroad.com/Webmasters.html

And this one is supposed to convince us that them playing with our traffic is good for us, and we should actually help them:

http://www.yellowprickroad.com/Webmasters.html

RawAlex

I didn't have to go far to figure it out.... the same people run "mom-and-boy".

Go figure. This will turn into major malware. I suspect that they aren't "fixing" the links to assure 100% click thru, but rather than redirecting people to similar content galleries. In other words, they are making 100% skim on your TGPs.

Fuckin Bill

Bump to put it back on top...

They are targeting some very big sites like Shemp, Sleazy, Thumbzilla, Ampland, Elephant List and others.

Fuckin Bill

I've also found that the registrant listed above is the current registrant of EXENEDEN.COM who has also been listed on several more sites for running the "CoolWebSearch" exploits and others.

More info can be found at these URL's:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Exeneden+Group
http://forums.maddoktor2.com/index.php?showtopic=6308
http://spyware-free.us/files/cws.txt

Browse through the google results and run a few searches yourself and you'll find quite a few lists of banned and blocked domains including that domain and others they own.

Elli

Wow, quite the development. Hm.

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BV

I was thinking of something like Jim from GreenGuyandJim did with htaccess to help combat the Zango problem:

http://www.xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=17819

http://www.adwaresucks.com/zango/zangohtaccess.txt

I'm not sure where you would want to send them but I think this would solve your problem.

xxxjay

I've always thought skimming was a bullshit way to generate traffic anyway. It's had a good run. Time to move on.

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IllTestYourGirls

where can I download this? I am fucking tired of clicking a thumb 100000 times and not going to a gallery

This should be a wake up call. If the person creating this malware thinks there are enough people pissed off about the skimming that should tell you something.

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damn

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Zoose

In order for that to work the toolbar has to send a user agent which it does not.

Love Sex

I think It also will skim any links that have a prefixed code like on your tgp
([ yoursite.com/yourtgpcode/ugotredirectedhere/urtrafficjustgotstolen

Matt Collins

No doubt many surfers feel this way so you have to really balance traffic trading with galleries so you don't piss off your surfers.

There are more and more TGP's every day and since we are all fighting over the same surfer, its more and more important to make a site they will come back to.

IMHO anyway. I certainly think we as an industry should keep an eye on malware threats like this.

Matt

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BV

Dam the bad luck

V_RocKs

Currently it is used by .0000001&#37; of the surfing public?

shermo

I'm not saying I support this toolbar, but the days of the skim are hopefully coming to an end. Traffic can be traded in other ways, yielding much better results.

As far as this toolbar, this does look like a setup to eventually move the surfers around to where they want. In the meantime, an Htaccess fix should work.

SmokeyTheBear

i wouldnt mind having .0000001% of the surfers

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RawAlex

htaccess won't do much, because these guys won't announce their toolbar in the headers (which is what is required to spot it). It is pretty much a death sentence for automated standard traffic trading scripts.

It also shows that some people will go to very extreme lengths to steal traffic from others, and puts the onus on the programs to once again not deal with thieves and not buy the traffic. It won't be long before the toolbar people will be replacing every link on every page to their own stuff, totally fucking the surfer over.

The programs need to wise up to this stuff, you could end up paying theives for traffic until there is nobody left to steal from... then they will really fuck you over by controlling too much of the traffic and raising the price until your business is unprofitable.

BV

By my calculations that would only be 100 surfers. if there are 1 billion people on line. .0000001% would be 100 right?

jscott

CoolWebSearch hijacked my start pages quite a few times them fucks



shit like this can only be bad for the net and for our biz......anyway to fight it?

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someone needs to code a small javascript or something to disable the script, something along the lines of the "fuck off you're running zango" script that was getting passed around. if lot of tgp webmasters jump on board, or if they implement it into the trade script somehow it might be a good idea to look into something like this....

Mutt

oh if SexTracker is involved you can bet this is going to end up fucking over TGP owners and their submitters and spot buyers and surfers in the end too.

bad news. this industry needs a spyware/toolbar/malware watchdog group who keep up to date on what's out there and who's behind it.

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NyLoS

When these guys are able to bypass the tradescript url they are also able to overwrite the affilate codes on hosted galelries !

This is BAD BAD news !

Jamie

just run your tradescript through a php page and you'll be fine

foo.com/blah.php?link=1234

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Fuckin Bill

This doesn't work because some TGP software puts the url to the gallery within the links on the page. So the toolbar doesn't even need to see the traffic script. I've tested, it doesn't even hit the traffic script. It can read the url of your gallery out of the link, and simply go directly to it when a link is clicked.

Also, with a tgp script sending a redirect, that includes the gallery url, to the traffic script, the toolbar can always intercept the redirect, parse the address, and remove anything it doesn't want.

Fuckin Bill

I have an idea for a possible solution. I think it would stop this toolbar and anything similar in the future.

The flaw in the system (any tgp system) is the forwarding redirect from the TGP script, to the traffic script. If that redirect were eliminated, there's nothing for a program like this to catch and modify, assuming that the gallery url is not passed along during clicks.

If a traffic script had a version of their out script that could be included into another php script (the tgp out script) that final redirect could be eliminated. I think it would just take a little extra work on the part of the TGP script guys, and the traffic script guys.

On the trafic script side, you have the out script encapsulated in a function. Pass the variables to the function, instead of through a url. Something like this.
On the tgp script side, you ask in the config/settings, where is the traffic script to be included, and what is the format of the function to call it. Then in the "out" script for the tgp software, you just add an IF statement at the very end where it would normally hand off the redirect to the traffic script:
This would still work (I think) even with zend encoding on both sides, so nobody would have to give up their source, and things would be modular and could work together with no holes in the middle. The traffic script would still be able to run with full access to the system variables if it needs them, and would have correct IP address and cookies and everything.

But now, the surfer would click, the tgp script would do it's thing, the traffic script would do it's thing, and then a simple single URL is spit out as a redirect. Anything (like this toolbar) sitting in the middle would not know anything about the gallery until that final redirect is sent, and then it wouldn't know if the URL being put out is the gallery, or a trade, because it has nothing to match it to, and it never saw any variables passed to the traffic script through the url.

I don't think this would really cause more than a few minutes work for programmers on either side, and although I'm not sure, I'm guessing the scripts written in C could also have a small php wrapper written that would allow them to be included into a php script.

pornonada

That should be up to the site owner and/or visitor, not a 3rd pary toolbar that modifies the setup of a site.

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nation-x

I think you should start more posts about it... that way more surfers will find out and start using it... it's not like there are any surfers on gfy of course... :P

Iron Fist

Agreed. I had traffic scripts on all my sites, now my entire network is 0% skim, no scripts, everything custom made and stored on my server. Yes it takes more work to create the content, but in the end, its good for SE and bookmarkers - and trust is a hard thing to gain. Skimming your traffic doesn't generate that trust at all, just inflates the numbers, but no ones buying.

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Iron Fist

I like where your going with this and if you were directing to a static URL, I think your idea has serious merit. Heres the problem, every program on NATS practically uses there encoded URLs as "http://join.ravenriley.com/track/MTc5OTozOjE/" or "http://secure.vittoriaerotica.com/track/Nzc6Mjox/" - hell I just took 20 seconds here to find some NATs codes and both of them use the "track" virtual subdirectory.

So.. as soon as your script spits out the URL, the toolbar scans the URL and looks for words in the url like "track", "visit", "go", "signup", "click" and etc etc... Soon as I see it, I replace your aff code with mine and send the surfer over. It's a lion in sheeps clothing... keep an eye on it.

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Fuckin Bill

That's an entirely different problem. I just want to break this thing the way it is now, so there's no appeal to it, and nobody will willingly install it. These guys don't seem to be afraid of running exploits on their sites to get their shit installed, at least let them have to do that much work for it. I'm not gonna let them use my site and my traffic to fool users into thinking this thing is somehow good for them.

Theo

i posted this "idea" here some 4 years ago. It was matter of time someone would do such thing