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Sjayne · 08-30-2002, 09:28 AM

and you think no one in your entire anccestory miexed with someone of a different culture?

Regardless..as this started with you suggesting Hitler was doing a favour..it wasn't interracial breeding I was talking about at first. You are white..fine be white. No one is forcing you to go breed with anyone. Nor should they. I could care less who breeds with who.

However, I do care about bigotry..and in the case of Hitler evil and found it amazingly sad that so many people sit in the shadows and let little praisings of Hitler go by..no matter how seemingly minor. Especially in light of a European political climate that is seeing the extreme right (not the american sense of the right wing) becoming a strong force.

So, you honestly can talk until your whiter than white face turns blue about how pure our bloodlines should be but I for one am never going to agree with you.

Oh..and you know if this guy in this case was trying to hijack then take him down with all the force needed. Don't anyone think I am defending that person or any idividuals connected to him. It is the way stories like these are becomming an excuse for every hateful bigot to come out of the wood work with extreme generalisations about whole races..creeds..cultures..that pisses me off.

Paraphrase: Some muslim fathers hate their daughters dating white men and get violent. - oh like no white father has ever gotten seriously violent when their daughter dated a black man. Please..there are fucked up people everywhere regardless.

Simple summing up for those with low attention spans:

-Bad people out
-Good People In
-One or two or even 300 bad people in a race, religion or creed doesn't make every person in that race, religion or creed fall into the bad people camp
-Being distantly related to someone from a country doesn't make you fall into the good.

[Labret] · 08-30-2002, 09:35 AM

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Originally posted by Sjayne

Especially in light of a European political climate that is seeing the extreme right (not the american sense of the right wing) becoming a strong force.

Why is that?

Milton · 08-30-2002, 09:36 AM

Lambert are you afraid of new things? why you moved to sweden if you are? go back to denmark fucking nasi. i have no problem with other people, and i am pure swedish.
but i understand what the problem is, the problem is not that the people is muslims or arabs the problem is that the socity dont help people too intergrate in the socity. look at america They have succes with intergration! Move back to Denmark Lambert we dont need you here i dont like danish people :D they are blind eyed

[Labret] · 08-30-2002, 09:37 AM

Brilliant.

KingK7 · 08-30-2002, 09:41 AM

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Originally posted by Milton
Lambert are you afraid of new things? why you moved to sweden if you are? go back to denmark fucking nasi. i have no problem with other people, and i am pure swedish.
but i understand what the problem is, the problem is not that the people is muslims or arabs the problem is that the socity dont help people too intergrate in the socity. look at america They have succes with intergration! Move back to Denmark Lambert we dont need you here i dont like danish people :D they are blind eyed

Oh man...
You have some serious fucking problems bitch.

[Labret] · 08-30-2002, 09:47 AM

and just to clear one thing up. I dont believe in race. All the little physical characteristics that classicaly define race are nothing more than climatic adaptions. Race is a human construct. Thats why I use the term culture.

When I say "culture" I am not talking about the customs and foods etc that set one group apart from another, those are all arbitrary. I am speaking of lines. Asian, African, Native American, European. Your vision of culture can can change from city to city. I am talking about the underlying traits that are common to each stock.

Pathfinder · 08-30-2002, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]

I was not saying the BNP is not racist, I am all too familiar with the BNP stance. But they are nothing like the Klan.

And so what if they are "racist".

Can you tell me exactly what is wrong with being a "racist"?

Being a racist or a nationalist does not automatically imply someone is a supremacist. It does not mean you have to hate other races or cultures.

Nearly every non-western culture on the planet practices what could only be described as racism. A lefty so quick to condemn a ethnic Eruopean who doesnt want his children marrying outside their culture will applaud Native Americans who demand the same thing of their children. I lived in areas of SE Alaska with heavy native populations, and they are as racist as any neo-Nazi you will ever meet. But would anyone dare call them racist? No. When you are non White and racist, it is called cultural preservation and cultural pride.

Marrying gaijin in Japan will get you ostracized. Would you call the Japanese man who demands his children marry within their culture a racist? Ever heard a horror story of dating a Jewish American Princess? Ever been a haolie in Hawaii? And I can guarantee you that you would not want to be the white guy in Detroit who likes black girls or Arab girls. An Arab in Dearborn is a racist the likes you have never seen. I doubt you have met an Arab girl in your life who dates outside her culture / race. I live in an area of what could only be described as the largest Arab population in the United States, and you will not see an Arab girl with a white or black guy. They immigrate, but they do not integrate, and they have no interest in integrating. And I get the feeling it is the same way in Europe. Ethnic Europeans have no monopoly on racist leanings.

Western culture was so quick to embrace multiculturalism and force it down our childrens throats, yet we are the only ones who practice it and I find that more than just mildly ironic.

What you call racism is the norm in the majority of the world. Racism is natural. It is so natural that laws have to be made in order to keep people from practicing it. Desegregation was a joke. People will naturally segregate themselves. Do the non-western immigrants in Europe segregate themselves like they do over here? They have no interest in being "European". They are merely exporting their culture to your shores.

Again, there is nothing wrong with being a racist. I dont care if the Arab down the street does not allow his daughters to date outside their culture. Why the fuck should I? He is trying to preserve his culture and I see nothing wrong with that. Its been done for 10s of thousands of years.

There is a terrible double standard in the world.

And if I am a racist because I love my European heritage and culture and would like to see it preserved and not forcibly thrown into the melting pot... then so be it. I am a racist. I like being white. I am proud of my Irish and Dutch ancestors. And if I choose to only date within my culture, I should not be labeled a hatemonger. There is no hate involved. [/B]

Good post [Labret]. I concur with most of the points made.

There are dictionary definitions of words and then there are common usage of words.

The words racist, bigot, prejudice, nationalist, seem to get thrown into the same pot.

I am a decendent of Germans (several generations past). I am caucasion. I like being a caucasion. I am an American. I like being an American. I like to consider myself as being a nationalist.

I live in the most populated state in the Union (California). About two years ago caucasions, officially, became a minority in California.

Based upon projections, it will not be long before caucasions are are a minority in America.

I do not like this trend.

If any of the above gives cause for someone to label me a racist, I then will wear the label with pride.

Pathfinder · 08-30-2002, 10:05 AM

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Originally posted by Joe Sixpack

Then we will thank them.

He shouldn't be allowed to make movies.

It's not right.

A FUS should not be allowed to exist. It's not right.

Mr.Fiction · 08-30-2002, 10:07 AM

http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

[Labret] · 08-30-2002, 10:25 AM

Like half the people who claim to be Christian are really christian.

Christianity is a convenience religion now. A label.

Pathfinder · 08-30-2002, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by [Labret]
Like half the people who claim to be Christian are really christian.

Christianity is a convenience religion now. A label.

I conur. By the way [Labret], I am interested in knowing your definition of a "Nationalist".

[Labret] · 08-30-2002, 11:15 AM

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Originally posted by Pathfinder

I conur. By the way [Labret], I am interested in knowing your definition of a "Nationalist".

Thats a tough one. I will quote others that I think best sum it up. Off the top of my head I would bumble an otherwise difficult subject matter.

Anthony Smith

Quote:

the ideological movement for the attainment and maintenance of autonomy, cohesion, and individuality for a social group, some of whose members conceive it to be an actual or potential nation."

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A common postulated interrelationship - a "blood" bond between members. This blood relationship may be actual, but more often, it derives from myth.

A shared cultural heritage. This heritage, and particularly the cultural artifacts (and sometimes also, institutional structures) that it has created, represents the "patrimony" of the nation, and is often invested with considerable sentimental value, to the extent that attacks on it are responded to with violent emotion.

Linguistic coherence, in the form of one or more languages identified with the national identity. The more unique or difficult these languages are, the stronger the emotional attachment to them, as something that must be defended. In the world of mass telecommunications and the omnipresence of English as a lingua franca, bitter struggles are taking place all over the world to protect the national languages (most notably, in Iceland and France).

A sense of identification by members with the nation. The idea of national affiliation is a deep-rooted one in the human psyche, and members of a nation suffer a very visceral response to any threat against it, real or perceived.

Pathfinder · 08-30-2002, 12:10 PM

Nationalist=

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A sense of identification by members with the nation. The idea of national affiliation is a deep-rooted one in the human psyche, and members of a nation suffer a very visceral response to any threat against it, real or perceived.

That pretty much explains it for me and my thinking.

08-30-2002, 09:28 AM	#101
Sjayne Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,182	and you think no one in your entire anccestory miexed with someone of a different culture? Regardless..as this started with you suggesting Hitler was doing a favour..it wasn't interracial breeding I was talking about at first. You are white..fine be white. No one is forcing you to go breed with anyone. Nor should they. I could care less who breeds with who. However, I do care about bigotry..and in the case of Hitler evil and found it amazingly sad that so many people sit in the shadows and let little praisings of Hitler go by..no matter how seemingly minor. Especially in light of a European political climate that is seeing the extreme right (not the american sense of the right wing) becoming a strong force. So, you honestly can talk until your whiter than white face turns blue about how pure our bloodlines should be but I for one am never going to agree with you. Oh..and you know if this guy in this case was trying to hijack then take him down with all the force needed. Don't anyone think I am defending that person or any idividuals connected to him. It is the way stories like these are becomming an excuse for every hateful bigot to come out of the wood work with extreme generalisations about whole races..creeds..cultures..that pisses me off. Paraphrase: Some muslim fathers hate their daughters dating white men and get violent. - oh like no white father has ever gotten seriously violent when their daughter dated a black man. Please..there are fucked up people everywhere regardless. Simple summing up for those with low attention spans: -Bad people out -Good People In -One or two or even 300 bad people in a race, religion or creed doesn't make every person in that race, religion or creed fall into the bad people camp -Being distantly related to someone from a country doesn't make you fall into the good. __________________ <a href="http://www.wishing.com/money">Make 50% commissions promoting our penis pills, breast pills, weight loss pills and more!</a> <a href="http://www.webinc.com">Need Design Work? Check Out Our Huge Design Portfolio Online, Special: 100 Animated Banners, $799.00 </a> - tell them Sarah sent you. Last edited by Sjayne; 08-30-2002 at 09:30 AM..

08-30-2002, 09:36 AM	#103
Milton Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Mauritius Posts: 1,118	Lambert are you afraid of new things? why you moved to sweden if you are? go back to denmark fucking nasi. i have no problem with other people, and i am pure swedish. but i understand what the problem is, the problem is not that the people is muslims or arabs the problem is that the socity dont help people too intergrate in the socity. look at america They have succes with intergration! Move back to Denmark Lambert we dont need you here i dont like danish people :D they are blind eyed

08-30-2002, 09:37 AM	#104
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Brilliant.

08-30-2002, 09:47 AM	#106
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	and just to clear one thing up. I dont believe in race. All the little physical characteristics that classicaly define race are nothing more than climatic adaptions. Race is a human construct. Thats why I use the term culture. When I say "culture" I am not talking about the customs and foods etc that set one group apart from another, those are all arbitrary. I am speaking of lines. Asian, African, Native American, European. Your vision of culture can can change from city to city. I am talking about the underlying traits that are common to each stock.

08-30-2002, 10:07 AM	#109
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	http://www.adherents.com/Religions_By_Adherents.html

08-30-2002, 10:25 AM	#110
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	Like half the people who claim to be Christian are really christian. Christianity is a convenience religion now. A label.