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jerzeemedia · 06-19-2007, 10:14 AM

So for a day or so, i had my key phrases show up in the SERPs easily, second page for most, first for some, 3rd-4th for a few others. The site they were for, was only active about 3 days into link trading, and I thought things were going alright. Now when I search for those terms, I can't seem to find the site anywhere which is strange..is this normal? I'm new to SEO.

Thanks a lot,

JM

jerzeemedia · 06-19-2007, 11:07 AM

Bump in hope for some light shed

whomework · 06-19-2007, 11:14 AM

You think thats weird?? I have had instances where I searched for a term in one building and it came up on the first page and then walked 100 feet to another building and did the same search and it wasnt there. Google is strange sometimes.

jerzeemedia · 06-19-2007, 11:20 AM

I don't feel so bad now.

Kevsh · 06-19-2007, 11:24 AM

Try the end of results (i.e. the last few pages), it's possible you've been penalized. Also, Google is in what they call Everflux - constantly changing, so get used to it.

Sorry I couldn't be more cheerful

kektex · 06-19-2007, 11:26 AM

Was it a new domain jerzee?

P.S: Post 1000 w0000t!

Subtle · 06-19-2007, 11:39 AM

Lot of strange things google doing! Strange what power and fame does to people!

kektex · 06-19-2007, 12:25 PM

I´ve had this happen for new domains that have no authority.
You point a bunch of links and they start ranking for some nice terms for a couple of weeks and then they just drop out of sight.

The only way I´ve managed to make them rank again is to do some link building and to add some good optimized content.

rowan · 06-19-2007, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex

I´ve had this happen for new domains that have no authority.
You point a bunch of links and they start ranking for some nice terms for a couple of weeks and then they just drop out of sight.

The only way I´ve managed to make them rank again is to do some link building and to add some good optimized content.

Wouldn't this just encourage spammers to use throwaway domains to get some quick traffic from the initial boost?

Domains_Broker · 06-19-2007, 12:54 PM

That happans all the time, new sites tend to get a nice boost in the serps for a while then plummet and slowly come back as you link build.

kektex · 06-19-2007, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Wouldn't this just encourage spammers to use throwaway domains to get some quick traffic from the initial boost?

Spammer already use throwaway domains. I dont know the reasons but most autogen sites don´t survive for too long in the SERPS.
I´ve seen black hat SEOs reg 100 .infos a day for setting up their autogen sites.Very quickly too. The hard part (for a newbie) is automating the link building part.

Cyndalie · 06-19-2007, 01:10 PM

First indexings can be testing and inclusion shuffling. Initial showing up in the index could be relevant to those links and keywords used in them but once it's fully cached and calculated into the algorithm you shuffle down to where you will settle until next reindexing or until page changes are recached. Don't depend on linking for rankings, it always comes back to good optimization over all.

whomework · 06-19-2007, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

Wouldn't this just encourage spammers to use throwaway domains to get some quick traffic from the initial boost?

I was reading on a blog somewhere a while back that there is like a 3 day money back buffer on domain names with ICANN or something like that and they are allowing spammers to put up sites for a couple days and then take them down without spending any money on them. If I find the article again I will post it here. It was pretty interesting.

whomework · 06-19-2007, 01:20 PM

Here it is. Its called Domain Kiting.

A Domain Kiting Primer.

In a nutshell, here's how domain kiting works.
Domain kiting registrars put up mini-Web sites — loaded with search engine links — for domains names for which they never pay. When people land on these Web sites and click on the links, money is made. It's easy to spot one of these registrars as the number of total registrations they make often far exceed the number of permanent registrations — or names for which they actually pay. This is why during the month of May 2006, out of 35 million registrations, only a little more than 2.7 million were permanent or actually purchased. The vast majority of the rest were part of the domain kiting scheme.

Now let's drill down a little further into domain kiting 101.
A registrar who participates in this scheme makes a large deposit – sometimes a huge deposit – at a registry. Then the registrar registers as many domain names as the deposit will allow. For example, if the registrar makes a $600,000 deposit at VeriSign Registry, they could register 100,000 .COM domain names as .COM names cost $6.00 per year.

It's all about catching Internet traffic.
For each domain name registered, the domain kiting registrar puts up a simple Web site filled with search engine links and hopes users land on that page and click on the links. Anytime an Internet user lands on one of their mini-Web sites and clicks on one of the links, money is made.

Domain kiting registrars abuse the 5 day refund period to work their scheme.
After a domain name is registered, a registrar has five days to cancel a domain name registration – i.e. drop the name – and get their money back. Domain kiting registrars abuse this rule and cancel the lion’s share of the names they register just before the five day period expires – so they get their money back. But then something unexpected happens. After names are cancelled or dropped, the domain kiting registrar goes out and immediately registers the same names again. The domain kiting registrar will then put the same simple Web site back up for each domain name, wait another five days and then cancel all the names again — just in time to get a full refund. And for most names caught up in the domain kiting scheme, this process will repeat itself over and over and over.

Domain kiting registrars rarely pay for the names they use.
By not actually paying for the names they are using, domain kiting registrars are able to generate profits, even if their mini-Web sites only generate 50 cents or more per year. And if they find, over time, that certain names never generate any revenue they stop registering them altogether. It’s only the names that have value – to you as an Internet user – they register over and over and keep off the market – names for which they of course never pay.

Domain kiting registrars only purchase the names that prove to be real money makers.
There are those cases when, if a domain name proves to be especially profitable, domain kiting registrars will actually step up and register the name. They’re not stupid. They won’t take a chance on losing a name that generates much more than the annual cost of a registration. However, this is clearly the exception.

The Other Steve · 06-19-2007, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex

I´ve had this happen for new domains that have no authority.
You point a bunch of links and they start ranking for some nice terms for a couple of weeks and then they just drop out of sight.

The only way I´ve managed to make them rank again is to do some link building and to add some good optimized content.

Kektex is spot on with his information.

jerzeemedia · 06-19-2007, 01:41 PM

Thanks for the responses guys! I guess I'll continue on link building. It's a new blog. I hope it works its way back up.

The Other Steve · 06-19-2007, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerzeemedia

Thanks for the responses guys! I guess I'll continue on link building. It's a new blog. I hope it works its way back up.

Do you have it set to ping Google? Have you claimed it on the various feed sites? Are you including keywords/phrases in your titles and do you have it set to show file names as the keywords in your titles?

All those things can help too

Iron Fist · 06-19-2007, 02:15 PM

Bump for an awesome writeup on domain kiting...

NinjaSteve · 06-19-2007, 03:44 PM

Domain Kiting sounds tough but profitable when spending $0 for real.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kektex

Was it a new domain jerzee?

P.S: Post 1000 w0000t!

lol

bonkerz2007 · 06-19-2007, 04:53 PM

damn it i'm slipping....somebody already gave a good answer

06-19-2007, 10:14 AM	#1
jerzeemedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,532	Question for the google guys So for a day or so, i had my key phrases show up in the SERPs easily, second page for most, first for some, 3rd-4th for a few others. The site they were for, was only active about 3 days into link trading, and I thought things were going alright. Now when I search for those terms, I can't seem to find the site anywhere which is strange..is this normal? I'm new to SEO. Thanks a lot, JM __________________ Free Adult Blog Hosting http://www.waqn.com free porn www.mojohost.com - Best guys, best host.

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06-19-2007, 11:24 AM	#5
Kevsh Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: TO Posts: 8,619	Try the end of results (i.e. the last few pages), it's possible you've been penalized. Also, Google is in what they call Everflux - constantly changing, so get used to it. Sorry I couldn't be more cheerful

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kektex Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: elkektex at gmail Posts: 1,813	I´ve had this happen for new domains that have no authority. You point a bunch of links and they start ranking for some nice terms for a couple of weeks and then they just drop out of sight. The only way I´ve managed to make them rank again is to do some link building and to add some good optimized content.

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Cyndalie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 3,615	First indexings can be testing and inclusion shuffling. Initial showing up in the index could be relevant to those links and keywords used in them but once it's fully cached and calculated into the algorithm you shuffle down to where you will settle until next reindexing or until page changes are recached. Don't depend on linking for rankings, it always comes back to good optimization over all. __________________ Cyndalie Marketing Director StoriesTraffic.com

06-19-2007, 01:20 PM	#14
whomework Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: CT/NY/MA Posts: 109	Here it is. Its called Domain Kiting. A Domain Kiting Primer. In a nutshell, here's how domain kiting works. Domain kiting registrars put up mini-Web sites — loaded with search engine links — for domains names for which they never pay. When people land on these Web sites and click on the links, money is made. It's easy to spot one of these registrars as the number of total registrations they make often far exceed the number of permanent registrations — or names for which they actually pay. This is why during the month of May 2006, out of 35 million registrations, only a little more than 2.7 million were permanent or actually purchased. The vast majority of the rest were part of the domain kiting scheme. Now let's drill down a little further into domain kiting 101. A registrar who participates in this scheme makes a large deposit – sometimes a huge deposit – at a registry. Then the registrar registers as many domain names as the deposit will allow. For example, if the registrar makes a $600,000 deposit at VeriSign Registry, they could register 100,000 .COM domain names as .COM names cost $6.00 per year. It's all about catching Internet traffic. For each domain name registered, the domain kiting registrar puts up a simple Web site filled with search engine links and hopes users land on that page and click on the links. Anytime an Internet user lands on one of their mini-Web sites and clicks on one of the links, money is made. Domain kiting registrars abuse the 5 day refund period to work their scheme. After a domain name is registered, a registrar has five days to cancel a domain name registration – i.e. drop the name – and get their money back. Domain kiting registrars abuse this rule and cancel the lion’s share of the names they register just before the five day period expires – so they get their money back. But then something unexpected happens. After names are cancelled or dropped, the domain kiting registrar goes out and immediately registers the same names again. The domain kiting registrar will then put the same simple Web site back up for each domain name, wait another five days and then cancel all the names again — just in time to get a full refund. And for most names caught up in the domain kiting scheme, this process will repeat itself over and over and over. Domain kiting registrars rarely pay for the names they use. By not actually paying for the names they are using, domain kiting registrars are able to generate profits, even if their mini-Web sites only generate 50 cents or more per year. And if they find, over time, that certain names never generate any revenue they stop registering them altogether. It’s only the names that have value – to you as an Internet user – they register over and over and keep off the market – names for which they of course never pay. Domain kiting registrars only purchase the names that prove to be real money makers. There are those cases when, if a domain name proves to be especially profitable, domain kiting registrars will actually step up and register the name. They’re not stupid. They won’t take a chance on losing a name that generates much more than the annual cost of a registration. However, this is clearly the exception. __________________ Get your site listed on Whomework.com. Log On. Get Off!™ XXXTrafficTrades \| XXXWebmasterCash \| Get your .TV domains now for $19.99! Limited Time Only.

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jerzeemedia Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,532	Thanks for the responses guys! I guess I'll continue on link building. It's a new blog. I hope it works its way back up. __________________ Free Adult Blog Hosting http://www.waqn.com free porn www.mojohost.com - Best guys, best host.

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bonkerz2007 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 794	damn it i'm slipping....somebody already gave a good answer