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»Rob Content« 06-16-2007 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12610985)
Starting to make sense now your reading comprehension sucks cock, just like you do. :1orglaugh

Still waiting for answers...

ServerGenius 06-16-2007 04:53 PM

lol it's not GFY if a thread doesn't turn into an ego trip or my cock is bigger than
yours kinda thread.....

Disagreeing doesn't necesarely mean that either 1 of you is wrong

Brujah 06-16-2007 05:08 PM

Another reason one might not choose to answer a question like this would be that it allows for some deniability? If you just do it without asking, then it would probably be ok but they wouldn't just come out and say "Sure, go ahead." If you force an answer, it will likely be no.

stickyfingerz 06-16-2007 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12611010)
lol it's not GFY if a thread doesn't turn into an ego trip or my cock is bigger than
yours kinda thread.....

Disagreeing doesn't necesarely mean that either 1 of you is wrong

For the record you can look back and see who started that shit. Ive said most of the same things you have said in this thread about looking at things from a different perspective. The underlying problem is not torrent sites. Full rips of content have been available on newsgroups, and p2p and warez sites since way before torrents were even invented. If people would look at the other factors to it, but they wont. Just think about when everyone is on fiber connections. They will be sending each other full dvds on instant messengers. Then we'll have to boycott instant messengers, and the companies that support them... :Oh crap

ServerGenius 06-16-2007 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brujah (Post 12611034)
Another reason one might not choose to answer a question like this would be that it allows for some deniability? If you just do it without asking, then it would probably be ok but they wouldn't just come out and say "Sure, go ahead." If you force an answer, it will likely be no.

yup very good one.....:thumbsup

Aussie Rebel 06-16-2007 05:14 PM

See Sig..

SmokeyTheBear 06-16-2007 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama (Post 12610933)
Sure it is. The fact that there is no statement regarding torrent sites IS the answer. It doesn't implicitly state you can't promote any of their websites on affiliate sites that use a blue background either.

Omission of information IS information

if its not implied i like to ask first ..

i guess then i can count on your paying me if realitycash doesnt ?


didn't think so..





Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama (Post 12610933)
I didn't say don't do anything. I said if you have a problem with their business model - don't promote them.

how forgetfull of you, you just said the only question you should be asking is where is my check , i.e. thats the only valid question..

anyone here with half a brain knows this isnt the case so dont waste you rbreath with this drivel argument..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama (Post 12610933)

I do like how you brushed right past the fact that by creating hacks for popping unwanted consoles for IE and Firefox - you are helping the torrent and spyware sites. These type of websites make use of them and everyone and their brother knows it.

that was a question ? i thought it was more of an idiotic slam..

realitycash , the people im promoting use the same popups.. so does the rest of the interweb as well as aff , nice try though..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama (Post 12610933)

Maybe instead of finding loopholes in code, you could spend that time securing them....

i reported both holes to respective clients , firefox has their bug forum online so its on record.. thanks for you interest though
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bama (Post 12610933)

THEN, you can stand up and say "Follow my lead" instead of pointing out what others are doing so they don't notice what you're doing.

But, then again, I just like busting your chops when I come in from cutting the grass! :upsidedow!

nobody is saying to follow smokey's lead ? i asked a question to MY rep , you chose to think you can answer for them , you cant because you dont work for them , you aren't sending me my realitycash check , lensman in.


again nice try though .. cut the grass longer you might think up something better than " smokey does popups" thus his argument ona completely unrelated topic . is invalid :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

ServerGenius 06-16-2007 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12611041)
For the record you can look back and see who started that shit. Ive said most of the same things you have said in this thread about looking at things from a different perspective. The underlying problem is not torrent sites. Full rips of content have been available on newsgroups, and p2p and warez sites since way before torrents were even invented. If people would look at the other factors to it, but they wont. Just think about when everyone is on fiber connections. They will be sending each other full dvds on instant messengers. Then we'll have to boycott instant messengers, and the companies that support them... :Oh crap

ehh I didn't intend to point the finger, tell either of you you're wrong or chose
sides......

Well people who use computers every day have a completely different view
and idea about most things than people who don't use them every day.
As weird as it may sound....there's still LOADS of people who have no
clue where and how to get it.......finding this out will take them years
and most don't even want to be bothered with searching for hours to
get something which often turns out to be something other they wanted
to just save a few bucks.

I have friends of my age with good education who only discover new sites
by accidently clicking somewhere.....they heard of google but have no
clue it could open a whole new world to them and saving them weeks
of their life at the same time.

I often made mistakes with user interfaces as the things that seems idiot
proof to me turned out to be rocket science for others. Every site I make
I have tested by my 89 year old grandpa......perhaps I'll have to change
that too as today senior citizens have more skills using the intraweb than
a lot of people of their next generation.......they have the time and
appriciate the new way of social contact which makes them really motivated
getting to figure out how the intraweb works.

»Rob Content« 06-16-2007 05:29 PM

I don't want to get into a pissing fest, that does nothing for me, I like to keep things rational and get answers to my questions.

Sticky said AFF does not in anyway support or work with CP.

I provided links to cp that is listed around a series of AFF banners.

I want to understand why this is acceptable.

Damian_Maxcash 06-16-2007 05:30 PM

The net is like the Wild West - we have all said it before.

Torrent's are not going away - simple fact - learn to use them - you learn to adapt or you die.

We had this same shit with TGP's - "They are giving away too much content" - now most of you make your livings from them.

Get over it and learn to utilize the traffic or live in denial and die poor.

Cradle 06-16-2007 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001 (Post 12611076)
The net is like the Wild West - we have all said it before.

Torrent's are not going away - simple fact - learn to use them - you learn to adapt or you die.

We had this same shit with TGP's - "They are giving away too much content" - now most of you make your livings from them.

Get over it and learn to utilize the traffic or live in denial and die poor.

that siad from someone sporting aff int heir sig :thumbsup

ServerGenius 06-16-2007 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VG.Content (Post 12611074)
I don't want to get into a pissing fest, that does nothing for me, I like to keep things rational and get answers to my questions.

Sticky said AFF does not in anyway support or work with CP.

I provided links to cp that is listed around a series of AFF banners.

I want to understand why this is acceptable.

1: Sites where AFF advertises don't necessarily have to be affiliates of AFF
2: Having rules and policies and really enforcing them isn't quite the same.

Even if they would attempt to enforce and operate according them it would
simply be too much work checking every site they're on every day. Unless
the site it's on is yours you anything is possible............the only thing they
could do is once the find out to blacklist them for future use

Damian_Maxcash 06-16-2007 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dl1217 (Post 12611083)
that siad from someone sporting aff int heir sig :thumbsup

What's your point?

ServerGenius 06-16-2007 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001 (Post 12611087)
What's your point?

Clue card: yanking your chains :winkwink:

Aussie Rebel 06-16-2007 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VG.Content (Post 12611074)
I don't want to get into a pissing fest, that does nothing for me, I like to keep things rational and get answers to my questions.

Sticky said AFF does not in anyway support or work with CP.

I provided links to cp that is listed around a series of AFF banners.

I want to understand why this is acceptable.

http://tampatoker.smugmug.com/photos/162381619-L.jpg

Orly?

RawAlex 06-16-2007 05:41 PM

This message is hidden because stickyfingerz is on your ignore list.

(that one line makes this thread bearable).

Smokey asks a valid question, even if everyone has tried to pervert it into a "Lensman isn't the net police". The question really is this: If you know companies are allowing and supporting sites that specifically exist to rip you off, why do you continue to allow them to be part of the GFY community and major sponsors?"

It is an important question - GFY could vote AFF and their ilk off the island.

stickyfingerz 06-16-2007 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VG.Content (Post 12611074)
I don't want to get into a pissing fest, that does nothing for me, I like to keep things rational and get answers to my questions.

Sticky said AFF does not in anyway support or work with CP.

I provided links to cp that is listed around a series of AFF banners.

I want to understand why this is acceptable.


So how do they support CP? They also work with CP? And they Fund it?

You better open a fucking dictionary.

stickyfingerz 06-16-2007 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001 (Post 12611076)
The net is like the Wild West - we have all said it before.

Torrent's are not going away - simple fact - learn to use them - you learn to adapt or you die.

We had this same shit with TGP's - "They are giving away too much content" - now most of you make your livings from them.

Get over it and learn to utilize the traffic or live in denial and die poor.

Damian you must be a noob who knows nothing to have such an opinion :winkwink::winkwink:

Dopy 06-16-2007 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel (Post 12611106)



You will find that many of those torrents are Virus magnets. There is cp on torrent for sure but the good news is that trojan distributers are jumping on the attractive text lines.

»Rob Content« 06-16-2007 06:04 PM

Aussie Rebel please hit me up

ServerGenius 06-16-2007 06:06 PM

Till the time there's somekind of regulation for internet business I think we
have to figure out ourselfes a way to provail......something tells me that it
will take another while before we can stop coming up with new solutions to
overcome new problems.......on top of that I don't see the end of coming
up with new threats to our business......I'm starting to think that they did
this on purpose for providing a market which isn't as easy to tax as the
other available markets.......somebody is fucking with us and has a lot of
fun seeing us struggle through them....:thumbsup

»Rob Content« 06-16-2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12611114)
So how do they support CP? They also work with CP? And they Fund it?

You better open a fucking dictionary.


I can open a dictionary and I am fully aware of what I am asking.

You are saying that having your banners and links next to these

Cute_15_Year_Old_jacking_off_her_Daddy_zip
Fucking_my_little_sis_in_the_ass_illegal_preteen_u nderage_lolita_kiddy_child_incest_xxx_porno_gay_fu ck_young_naked_nude_little_g_rar
14_Year_Old_Nude_ANAL
Under_age_small_girl_showing_pussy_illegal.rar
prepuberty_underage_masturbation_video.mpg
15_year_OLD_rape_anal_forcedbj_blowjob.mwv
2_13_Year_Old_Forced_Lesbian_Sex.mpg

Which are available to download on the torrent sites. People who search these terms also click these banners and join AFF and the torrent owner gets paid.

They are paying the torrent site owner, who is trafficking that CP all over the net. They are in bed together.

How is this acceptable?

stickyfingerz 06-16-2007 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VG.Content (Post 12611210)
I can open a dictionary and I am fully aware of what I am asking.

You are saying that having your banners and links next to these

Cute_15_Year_Old_jacking_off_her_Daddy_zip
Fucking_my_little_sis_in_the_ass_illegal_preteen_u nderage_lolita_kiddy_child_incest_xxx_porno_gay_fu ck_young_naked_nude_little_g_rar
14_Year_Old_Nude_ANAL
Under_age_small_girl_showing_pussy_illegal.rar
prepuberty_underage_masturbation_video.mpg
15_year_OLD_rape_anal_forcedbj_blowjob.mwv
2_13_Year_Old_Forced_Lesbian_Sex.mpg

Which are available to download on the torrent sites. People who search these terms also click these banners and join AFF and the torrent owner gets paid.

They are paying the torrent site owner, who is trafficking that CP all over the net. They are in bed together.

How is this acceptable?


Ya lots of Pedos join ADULT dating sites..... :uhoh 98% of those links you have there either dont have any seeders, are just spyware infected pieces of non related video, or are not as they are described. So are you saying AFF went to that torrent site, and said hey we want to buy some ads from you how much? OR is that affiliates of aff doing that? So should aff go out and patrol every affiliate, and every torrent site? Just silly. Go get the revid and report it, and let them take it from there. Report the site to ascap and others about the cp issue. The cp stuff is just shock and awe for you guys, and its pathetic.

will76 06-16-2007 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12610969)
I am one of a few who never believed in having trial memberships if you run
an above average quality site. Trials sure won't stop this problem I agree on
that but it does make it easier to do it. Members that pay for a month also
aren't so eager to see everything the site has got in less than 3 days which
in case they don't make it to be sure they'll download everything that's there.

Trials can be profitable in some situations but I know for a fact they don't
ALWAYS be profitable. People that just pay the full membership aren't
willing to bother spending 70% of the time looking for ways to get it for
free.

People that happily just pay are the same people that download an mp3 and
still buy the album if it is what they like. Trial members are mostly cheap
cunts that will do ANYTHING if they can get it for free.

I have chosen to not go after these people as those are the ones that
make up 80% of your chargebacks.....even though it's cheap they still
take the effort of charging their 3 bucks back.

I don't think I had more than a hand full of people charge back the $2.95. I would say out of thousands of membership signups I had through trials maybe 10 people charged back the $2.95 trial fee.

Trial members are the cheap fuck people which is the majority of the people online. Not a lot of people willing to pay for porn anymore much less $29.95+++ a membership. The same people who you say are cheap are also typically the same ones that forget to cancel. We all know the whole rebilling model revolves around a good portion of the people forgetting to rebill. So with that being the case, the more people you get in, the more rebills you will have, either because the content is good or they forgot to cancel.

As far as trial memberships making it easier for people to rip your content. It only takes 1 person to rip your whole site and once it gets shared it can be all over the net just the same if 100 people ripped it.

Making it harder for them to rip your site by making your membership fee expensive only hurts you IMO. You get less sales because you are only giving people expensive options to join and your site still gets ripped regardless.

»Rob Content« 06-16-2007 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12611228)
Ya lots of Pedos join ADULT dating sites..... :uhoh 98% of those links you have there either dont have any seeders, are just spyware infected pieces of non related video, or are not as they are described. So are you saying AFF went to that torrent site, and said hey we want to buy some ads from you how much? OR is that affiliates of aff doing that? So should aff go out and patrol every affiliate, and every torrent site? Just silly. Go get the revid and report it, and let them take it from there. Report the site to ascap and others about the cp issue. The cp stuff is just shock and awe for you guys, and its pathetic.

I've sent the links to every e mail address on AFF, and sent icq's to some of their staff nothing happened.

I've sent links from the torrent sites like this to ASACP numerous times, both submitting the links and e mailed to people there directly, nothing happened.

Should they patrol every affiliate on every torrent site, yes if they are on pages that push CP around the net.

If they are as big of a supporter of the ASACP and fighting CP at all costs, you would never find their links next to CP PERIOD!

The thing for them is they make too much money off torrent sites to really care and turn a blind eye to it. Lars is fully aware of it, and said they were working with the torrent sites to at some point remove CP related searched pages from their ads.

This means he fully knows has spoken to the torrent owner and is working to a resolve at some point.

Since they are aware of it, and since they are such a HUGE fighter of CP wouldn't they pull the ads until the torrent sites could say "yes you will not show up next to CP!"

Keeping the ads there just to make the extra cash is just fucking wrong, nothing more then that.

They are aware of it, and they don't care.

Juicy D. Links 06-16-2007 06:26 PM

http://www.imgpic.com/gallery/ostrich/ostrich_001.jpg

Dopy 06-16-2007 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12611228)
Ya lots of Pedos join ADULT dating sites..... :uhoh 98% of those links you have there either dont have any seeders, are just spyware infected pieces of non related video, or are not as they are described. So are you saying AFF went to that torrent site, and said hey we want to buy some ads from you how much? OR is that affiliates of aff doing that? So should aff go out and patrol every affiliate, and every torrent site? Just silly. Go get the revid and report it, and let them take it from there. Report the site to ascap and others about the cp issue. The cp stuff is just shock and awe for you guys, and its pathetic.


You are right but trying to convince the part time torrent experts might be a little difficult.

ServerGenius 06-16-2007 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12611247)
I don't think I had more than a hand full of people charge back the $2.95. I would say out of thousands of membership signups I had through trials maybe 10 people charged back the $2.95 trial fee.

Trial members are the cheap fuck people which is the majority of the people online. Not a lot of people willing to pay for porn anymore much less $29.95+++ a membership. The same people who you say are cheap are also typically the same ones that forget to cancel. We all know the whole rebilling model revolves around a good portion of the people forgetting to rebill. So with that being the case, the more people you get in, the more rebills you will have, either because the content is good or they forgot to cancel.

As far as trial memberships making it easier for people to rip your content. It only takes 1 person to rip your whole site and once it gets shared it can be all over the net just the same if 100 people ripped it.

Making it harder for them to rip your site by making your membership fee expensive only hurts you IMO. You get less sales because you are only giving people expensive options to join and your site still gets ripped regardless.

I get your point I still like to believe that people who pay a full membership
are less likely to upload it to torrent sites so the rest of the world can watch
the same for free....

I believe that the results of having or not having trials depends on many
other factors that lead to be profitable or not. The 2 times I experimented
with trials it didn't had any positive effect on my sales.....to be honest
not having them gets me a lot of more sales in terms of money it doesn't
make much difference. Not having them does save me time and quite a
few headaches that having them would cause me.

People don't plan buying porn memberships.....they surf around and all of
a sudden they stumble on something they like just when they're feeling a bit
horny......once they decide they really need to yerk of to that right now
a few bucks won't stop them from getting sexual relief.

At least that's the lesson I got out of it the times I tried :thumbsup

will76 06-16-2007 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ServerGenius (Post 12610994)
do you always take everything that's posted seriously or have those 8
years make you lost your sense of humor?

I've been around since '92 and still find new ways I could do wrong.....
i did however manage in all those years that all my mistakes are worse
than the few things I manage to do right......it's still not worth thinking
of changing careers.......not sure if that says more about my other
available options or the level of success I have doing what I do :Oh crap


I don't mean to come across as an asshole, i got the jest you were joking. I just had a little sticky shit on my shoe and was a tad agitated. My reply was more geared to him then you.

Dopy 06-16-2007 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VG.Content (Post 12611259)
They are aware of it, and they don't care.

Thats exactly the way it is because traffic talks.

JFK 06-16-2007 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juicy D. Links (Post 12610215)

I see you're getting Juicier:pimp

and can I say One fitty

SmokeyTheBear 06-16-2007 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12611228)
Ya lots of Pedos join ADULT dating sites..... :uhoh

then i guess it shouldnt be a problem to say "remove the cp"
Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12611228)
98% of those links you have there either dont have any seeders, are just spyware infected pieces of non related video, or are not as they are described.

so your acceptable child porn ratio is %2 ? :disgust


i think the problem here is many people think there should be a %0 child porn ratio..

SmokeyTheBear 06-16-2007 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001 (Post 12611076)
The net is like the Wild West - we have all said it before.

Torrent's are not going away - simple fact - learn to use them - you learn to adapt or you die.

We had this same shit with TGP's - "They are giving away too much content" - now most of you make your livings from them.

Get over it and learn to utilize the traffic or live in denial and die poor.


thats the whole point of this thread is to ask permission first ..

tony286 06-16-2007 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by damian2001 (Post 12611076)
The net is like the Wild West - we have all said it before.

Torrent's are not going away - simple fact - learn to use them - you learn to adapt or you die.

We had this same shit with TGP's - "They are giving away too much content" - now most of you make your livings from them.

Get over it and learn to utilize the traffic or live in denial and die poor.

You really dont know what your talking about. My guess is you dont produce content. Also Sticky where did you get the idea bang bros gave away there content on BT's? Please point us to the info source, Im curious.

»Rob Content« 06-16-2007 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dopy (Post 12611311)
Thats exactly the way it is because traffic talks.

So anything goes, even if it's exploiting children as long as it's good traffic and converts?

will76 06-16-2007 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex (Post 12611107)
This message is hidden because stickyfingerz is on your ignore list.

(that one line makes this thread bearable).

Thanks for reminding me I don't know why I took him off of it.


its funny, he goes on and on here how he started advertising in 99 and he worked with cam girls, and had membership sites and he has done this and accomplished that. Like he has soo much knowledge to back up everything he is saying but yet just a year ago this guy made this post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 9421155)
Ok here is the deal. Ive been floundering with these affiliate programs. Ive only been doing it since the end of January and so far have 12 sales. Not terribly bad I know for someone just starting out. I need to accelerate my income. My outside work is seasonal so we are tight right now. I have another thread where Ive gotten some work to surprise my wife with an anniversery gift on the 12th. That has worked somewhat, but I want to start getting a solid monthly income by working solely online.

There are alot of people who talk the talk on here, but who walks the walk?

My offer is this. If someone can take me under their wing and show me step by step how to be successful at this I will give them 35% of all profits for the next 6 months. Ill go as far as signing a contract stating this. I currently have 5 or 6 adult sites. I run mostly blogs. I have both linux based hosting, and windows based hosting. I run a windows dedicated box win2003 with IIS and php and mysql. I also have a virtual server that is run on linux. I have alot of potential and am very quick to learn. If I am making a reasonable profit at the end of the 6 months I will give the entire profit of the 7 month to you. If you know the business and are making a considerable sum yourself then you know that 35% for 6 months plus one full month profits the 7th could be a very nice chunk of change.

Im sure Ill be flamed for this and called a noob,but facts are facts and I still am a noob. Im not able to live off what Im making online atm so that does make me a noob. Im here to learn how its done, and I want to expedite the process. I will be at the Phoenix forums. That is to network further with the industry and meet people face to face. I am very serious about this. Im tired of guessing if what Im doing is working. I know also Ill have people come in and say just keep listening on the forums blah blah. Well there is so much bs on this board it is hard to decipher whats true and whats bs.

Id also be willing to work for one of the sponsors even if its at a reduced rate from what they normally pay. Like an intern. Due to my situation Im home just about everyday. So Im online alot. I do have a solid background in web development, server administration, etc etc. Someone take me under their wing with the deal I stated above, or someone hire me on. I only have so long doing this stuff and losing money at it before my wife has a fit. :1orglaugh So take a chance on someone that is serious about this, and is willing to do what it takes to make it in this business. Thanks for reading my mini book above, and all commments are welcome. :thumbsup Do keep the flames to a minimum though. :winkwink:

Now you know it all and I know nothing eh. After starting in the industry back in 99 you make a post like that then you have the nerve to talk to people like you know it all and the rest of us are just stupid.

Ok back to ignore you go and back on track for this thread. I'll argue with the wall it's more productive and i wont bother anyone else in the process :winkwink:

xlogger 06-16-2007 06:57 PM

Listen, SmokeyTheBear, you need to get off this board and work on your site.

You are wasting too much time on this board, how do you even have time to work on your site?

stickyfingerz 06-16-2007 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear (Post 12611314)
then i guess it shouldnt be a problem to say "remove the cp"


so your acceptable child porn ratio is %2 ? :disgust


i think the problem here is many people think there should be a %0 child porn ratio..

No it should be 0, but I dont think its Aff's job to eliminate it.

SmokeyTheBear 06-16-2007 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 12611351)
No it should be 0, but I dont think its Aff's job to eliminate it.

so you find it acceptable they dont do their best to stop it ? you think its ok to ignore it ?

billybathgate 06-16-2007 07:02 PM

:thumbsup


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