You've skipped 4 so far. :)

If I have to guess which factors could have led to such decisions then I'd say

1: coz the profits outweigh the negatives....
2: competitive benefits
3: believing that the concept of doing this doesn't have to be as bad for
sites as everyone makes it believe......working together with these sites
keeps you off them as well or realizing that the fact that these sites can
leech of your content is simply because it's easy enough for them to do it.

Another damage these site do depends on what content you have.
Playboy stuff is one of kind and so wellknown that people would still
buy a membership just to belong to playboy community.

AFF for example has live stuff, that's not as easy to rip and not nearly
as much fun to watch it when it's not live.

If you just have hardcore pics/vids and nothing else to draw members to
your sites than just that content then the effect are far worse then sites
that have more than just vids/pics.

Last but not least Playboy is a public traded company. These companies
work completely different than non traded companies. What would result
in a loss for a regular company may result in a huge profit for a traded company.

There's more things than turnover and profit that result to the value of
their stock options.

Often companies sell whatever they sell at the cost of huge losses just to
get enough people buying their stuff which eventually would gain them profit.

When I worked for private.com at some point they thought about giving access
to all their sites and content for free....as the effect on their stock
would be much bigger than they could ever make by selling memberships.

that's what I'm guessing.......of course it's not impossible that I would be
totally wrong.....so basically my guess doesn't help you answer your question
even one bit.......but at least I cared enough to write all this shit down anyway :eek7

Yup seems I made again......drunk before midnight.....yay! :thumbsup


I'm in a very strict training regime for the Octoberfest gathering

lol you coulda boiled it down to one word..

PROFIT

the adult industry in general is declining for the first time ever while dating is still on the rise.. the only way i could see this being beneficial is if someone at playboy owns alot of aff

and even then i see no reason why they shouldnt allow their affiliates to promote them in the same places ..

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Did you really have to also rub it in to me that:

A: you already knew all the shit that took me 10 minutes to write
B: you could write down exactly the same in just 3 lines
C: to make me feel stupid

Thanks man.......did I piss you off to deserve this or was I just passing by
accidently at the wrong time? :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Agree

Dating and cams will take over a lot more over the next few years.

And then something new will come. USB-Fleshlights (or Firewire for the hardcore) You can pay the camchick to controll the fleshlight or let your gay chatlover remotecontroll your buttplug.

I hope it's not too late for a sig spot :-/

if the free download wasn't available they wouldn't have a choice

Bingo we have winner!

Man I wouldnt want to be you,the day your somewhere and Lee Priest spots you. lol

:upsidedow

If the site that owned the content didnt give it away for 29.95 or a 5.95 trial they wouldnt of had a choice either.... see what I did there??? :winkwink:

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I am sure you don't expect me to believe that you support this type of censorship.

if it wasn't because of the intraweb there wouldn't be a problem :upsidedow

to decide wheter you support or oppose to censorship at least you have to
understand what censorships means :winkwink:

I sure you don't expect me to believe that if Coca Cola was affiliated and funded CP/Underage materials that NBC and CBS would care less.

See this is where you are off track. AFF does not in any way fund cp or underage materials. Is that what you think ?

yeap, i know nothing. I've been doing this since 99 and have made more than 95% of the people here. Here comes sticky, starts doing adult in 2006, resells content, and speaks out of his ass on shit he knows nothing about, which is basically everything you comment on.

Sticky, what is your outside the box idea to fight torrent sites???

Your idea to " give away samples" isn't going to cut it. You can't give away samples and expect people to signup when the entire site is being given away for free on the same page as the sample. So tell us, since you make it sound so simple and you try t o make it sound like everyone is stupid for not having figured this out yet, what is the magical out the box idea you have to profit and " wide the wave" of torrent sites.


please share. instead of saying I know nothing why don't you share what you know.

bottom line is that torrent sites won't dissapear within the next few months....
so you better adapt to todays reality than cry about how unfair the reality is.

Offering Trial memberships should be reconsidered. Making it harder to rip
the content and yes that's possible...even while the leech has a paid membership. For example displaying your content dynamically which makes it
harder to simply rip it.....ripping flash video for example is possible but the
quality you end up with isn't the same as watching it stream.

Creating other reasons than just pics/vids why people would want to come
to your sites rather than just grabbing some pics/clips.

Interactive elements, member interaction, community environment are a few
examples that come to mind.

Or you could just sit back, cry and pray you can keep your head from going
under before the storm is over :thumbsup

No kiddin, however he will not take your advice.

I have never heard someone so green that has been involved in adult for a year talk so much. 15K posts in 1 year, every posts he makes the guy thinks he knwos it all. Acts like an asshole and very very few people like him. but it is all us, we know nothing.

Stickyfingers, noob to know it all in 1 years time. hell of an accomplishment.

As a long term solution I see making a change to how content/sites are
distibuted to the client. Today the browser downloads data and renders the
pages + content. Turning that around to the server which streams the data
encrypted/authenticated every time it's being displayed could lead to a solution
that would temporarely eleminate the problem.

If you show it you can steal it.....we just need to find a way that doesn't
make it worth it :-)

2006? Hmm ok my first paysite was in 2004 so oops thats wrong. And I was working on adult stuff and making money at it in a different manner back in 1996 - 1998. I went out on tour with a band for over a year till late 99. I actually promoted Ifriends too mr Will back from 2000 till about 2002 or so. Got away from it till I found 2 girls that wanted to do a paysite and I did that in 2004. The girls flaked half way through the project and I took some time off and regrouped and started learning more about the traffic side etc. Ive been working with video since I was in Highschool back in 87 till about 91 I was doing videos with Vhs for people, and was making money doing Video Photo albums using a easel and a video camera. I had an online business making the same thing from 1999 till 2002 or so and shipping out dvds from photos I had the customers upload. This was prior to dvd drives being inexpensive and the software made easy to use for the average consumer.

So you have been spamming Ifriends links since 99, and that somehow makes you God of the Adult Internet I guess.... :uhoh And the self appointed whiner of the industry.

Eventually Will you will burn your hands from picking up so many torches...

please warn me when I completely stop making sense......thanks I'll return the
favour whenever you need it :thumbsup

Very few people like me rofl. Dude you couldnt be more wrong. Many of the ones I argue with on the board are people that talk with me every day on icq. You know nothing as usual.

will you become my mentor? I will make you look even smarter than you already are......I say we could make a wining team by a win win situation? :winkwink:

They are only not buying them because they don't have to anymore.

I have NO problems with the old school way of giving out promo videos to sites, but now that is not what is going on. If it was not given to them, many would still buy it.

I produce DVDs. Sales are declining as these sites grow. I have fans mail me direct and say things like, "I just downloaded your movie and must say I'm impressed. When is your next one coming out?"

The bigger problem is that nobody thinks stealing movies or music is wrong. :2 cents:

Sure it is. The fact that there is no statement regarding torrent sites IS the answer. It doesn't implicitly state you can't promote any of their websites on affiliate sites that use a blue background either.

Omission of information IS information.

I didn't say don't do anything. I said if you have a problem with their business model - don't promote them.

I do like how you brushed right past the fact that by creating hacks for popping unwanted consoles for IE and Firefox - you are helping the torrent and spyware sites. These type of websites make use of them and everyone and their brother knows it.

Maybe instead of finding loopholes in code, you could spend that time securing them....

THEN, you can stand up and say "Follow my lead" instead of pointing out what others are doing so they don't notice what you're doing.

But, then again, I just like busting your chops when I come in from cutting the grass! :upsidedow!

That is pretty much a given. I wouldn't assume that because people are discussing this ( or crying about it as you put it) that they are not taking steps to try to make their site more appealing and add things to their site that people can't steal (chat rooms, messageboards, etc.. anything interractive).

Getting rid of the trial membership is dumb IMO. If someone wants to rip your site they will do it at $29.95 and then charge it back . IF you do away with the trial memberships now you are really forcing people to go look for it free. If people can get a membership for 2.95 they will likely do it. If their only option is 29.95 I bet more of them will say fuck it and try to find it for free.

Very true, if you are going to give away your content you might as well not charge that person as much. Here have it for 2.95, if I make you pay 29.95 you might charge back on me... :uhoh

What I'm thinking that most of the webmasters complaining the loudest are just
waiting for someone to come up with a good idea so they can do the same just
like did with everything else they did. Most paysites that are in the middle class
of the industry are run by people have no real idea to why they're doing what
they do......that's the whole reaon there's so many of them in the middleclass

I don't give a fuck if you were playing with a video camera in high school or doing web design. You don't know what they fuck you are talking about with the adult industry and this is proven post after post that you make. ASK AROUND, the VAST MAJORITY of the people here feel the same way about you.

You want to come across as the knowledgable person who has done this and done that and you know everything. Yeah you had your own membership sites :1orglaugh how did that work out for you, where are they now??? Was that before you got a job with split infinity or after you were working in night clubs. Or after you made a post on here a year ago begging people to show you how to make money. I remember you talked about your membership sites in that thread and how you got like 10 sales in 2 months or some shit. You don't have a fucking clue but yet you will tell people " I owned my own membership site".

Ok so you started adult in 1999 but yet in 2006 you make threads asking people to teach you how to make money. So obviously you don't know what the fuck you are doing and you were a failure for 7 years. So please keep making it sound like every post you make to people that you have it all figured out and that other person is stupid.

You are a legend in your own mind.

Good job, please carry on Mr. Know it all .

Really?

Cuz these:

Cute_15_Year_Old_jacking_off_her_Daddy_zip
Fucking_my_little_sis_in_the_ass_illegal_preteen_u nderage_lolita_kiddy_child_incest_xxx_porno_gay_fu ck_young_naked_nude_little_g_rar
14_Year_Old_Nude_ANAL
Under_age_small_girl_showing_pussy_illegal.rar
prepuberty_underage_masturbation_video.mpg
15_year_OLD_rape_anal_forcedbj_blowjob.mwv
2_13_Year_Old_Forced_Lesbian_Sex.mpg

Are available to DL on torrent sites with an AFF banner right next to them.

So you're saying that AFF does not pay this site for any sales generated from that banner, actually there are three on most pages, and it's just there for fun?

No you retarded dumb fuck. It is the nature of how rebilling membership sites work. Obviously something you did not comphrened too well since your " membership sites" didn't make it.

The main fucking goal with a membership site is to get them to signup. If they don't signup you don't have a chance at a sale (make fucking sense ? retarded fuck) Once they are signed up if your site is good you will retain them, if not they will forget to cancel and you still make money off of them. Or they cancel and you lose them. Simple as that, you will make 10x more money from membership sites with a low trial membership vs only offering $29.95 membership. Look around you stupid fuck, 99% of membership sites offer trail memberships, do you think that could be because it works the best ???

I am one of a few who never believed in having trial memberships if you run
an above average quality site. Trials sure won't stop this problem I agree on
that but it does make it easier to do it. Members that pay for a month also
aren't so eager to see everything the site has got in less than 3 days which
in case they don't make it to be sure they'll download everything that's there.

Trials can be profitable in some situations but I know for a fact they don't
ALWAYS be profitable. People that just pay the full membership aren't
willing to bother spending 70% of the time looking for ways to get it for
free.

People that happily just pay are the same people that download an mp3 and
still buy the album if it is what they like. Trial members are mostly cheap
cunts that will do ANYTHING if they can get it for free.

I have chosen to not go after these people as those are the ones that
make up 80% of your chargebacks.....even though it's cheap they still
take the effort of charging their 3 bucks back.

No i wont be your mentor but after doing this for 8 years full time, I will be the first to tell you i don't know it all and I will always listen to advice of people who are more successful then me.

yeah why allow stuff like this when you can just give affiliates full fucking movies to put on their free sites. what a bunch of idiots.

Starting to make sense now your reading comprehension sucks cock, just like you do. :1orglaugh

do you always take everything that's posted seriously or have those 8
years make you lost your sense of humor?

I've been around since '92 and still find new ways I could do wrong.....
i did however manage in all those years that all my mistakes are worse
than the few things I manage to do right......it's still not worth thinking
of changing careers.......not sure if that says more about my other
available options or the level of success I have doing what I do :Oh crap

99% ?

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