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quiet, you fucking prick - I'll whoop your ass !

If you think you can create collusion with a GFY post you might as well give up right now.

sounds like richard's realm. i haven't done galleries for a while so i wasn't aware that they still sent those out.

:1orglaugh

i wonder how many of the tgp owners with their 200k per day of shit traffic are also traffic brokers, and sell it for $3.50 per 1000 hits *cough* adbuytraffic *cough*

I agree with the 'softer' core concept... not that I'm anybody or anything. I remember thinking that a gallery with five linked 'softer' thumbs and five unlinked 'harder' thumbs would be a good sales tool. I also sort of agree with the 'editing' out of the explicit stuff, except it'd be a pain in the ass...

I've used the Suze Randall Pics 4 Clicks program for a couple of years now, and they have a clause in their license that forbids use of 'explicit' photos outside of an avs or membership 'protected' area. One of my clients is a photographer/videographer and he wants the same type of clause in his license, not 'just' because of how the overexposure devalues the content, but for legal reasons, too.

There are many levels that can control the freebie-monster; I think the content providers themselves should consider tightening up their licensing to limit exposure of hardcore materials outside a 'prepaid' environment (avs, membership, ppv, etc.). If the producers won't ALLOW their best or most explicit material to be gangbanged by every TGP on the planet by contract, then it would almost *have* to have some overall effect, wouldn't it? Even the most established TGP can only work with what's out there, and if licenses remove the good stuff from their submission databases, they'll just have to make do with what's there, as will their surfers.

Just my ill-informed, uneducated 2 cents...

M

absofuckinglutelyright !!!!!!!!!


:winkwink:

you guys are blind
80% of the tgps uses dialers as main sponsors
ban dialers and tons of tgps will go up in smoke

Add mine, submitted a while ago :-(

Ignore the tgp's that demand the unreasonable. They will eventually die cause the attract to many free wackers. Stick with the sensible, they will convert better while the dinosaours wanna be tgp paysites go extinct. Chose a sound longtermstrategy . Consider the the small mammals 65 millions years ago.....

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SleazyDream
[B]


Fact #2 - TGP evolves EVERY day.

Sleazy posted the secret to tgp success. His site is an example of this. He found a niche and was the first to plug it. And he constantly changes his site to meet the market as it evolves. Not kissing his ass at all, just pointing out the obvious.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Choker
[B]
what niche was he the first to plug?

The hardcore gallery with a matching erotic story to it

those have been around for quite a while Choker.

Hmmm... I guess I am the last guy to read this post. Some interesting points raised by Jester and Sleazy.

I think we all agree that there is too much free porn on the internet. But lets take a look at the people that are buying memberships from our sponsors. Who is our target market? Is it some guy that just got on the internet yesterday and is just dying to look at all the porn he can? Is it some bookmarked surfer of JJJ's and finally decided he found a site that fits his specific sexual desire (niche)? Is it some educated surfer that has been on the internet for years? I think our target market is all of these people, because believe it or not people we are getting signups from all of these surfers.

It is almost impossible to imagine what is going on in the heads of these surfers. There is no feedback form that we can send to them to ask them questions on why they felt they wanted to sign up and how long they have been on the internet and what their demographic and sociological situation is. All we can do is sit back and look at our stats... Where did the surfer come from (which TGP) which gallery sold him on the membership. Did they buy a trial? How long did they recur. Unfortunately we can't get into the surfer's mind and figure out what made him sign up. If we could I think we would all be millionaires right now...

I think the one quote that made me make sense of all of this TGP nonsense was said by Larry Flynt in a webradio interview. "There will always be a marketplace for people who deliver quality."

I honestly think that if you make quality galleries and send that traffic to a quality sponsor program. You will always make money.

DH

who the fuck do you think you are making intelligent posts on this thread.

I say mass DDOS the TGP's :1orglaugh
muahahahahahahahahaha

format tgp:

hahaha

:1orglaugh thats the truth

amen!

:Graucho

This is very interesting reading. A lot to think about.

And that's all I have to contribute right now.

Can a couple TGP guys hit me up I would like to talk to you guys about building a site that would convert real well off our dollar promo.
Or are most TGp's sending to dialer's or free trials only?

I would like to talk to a few of you.

My ICQ 161759738

Exactly.

Porn needs a Mafia to regulate it. I guess it should use hackers or something.

And so sally could wait
she knows it's too late as we're walking on by
my soul slides away
but don't look back in anger, I heard you say

Take me to the place where you go
where nobody knows :)

The only way that I can imagine free porn ending is by a law banning it, making it so access to pornographic material is limited to people who submit data to verify their age by credit card or check. I dont wish this to happen but its the only thing I can think of that will kill the beast.

About a year ago, some webmasters worked a thread about how TGPs were fucking up the business. From this thread began the TGP2 movement. For most of that year, TGP2 was slammed left and right. Some of it was justified, some of it unwarrented. At any rate, it is still out there, but the movement has not really taken off, and has not changed the industry. So to read this thread, a year or so after TGP2 was started, is kind of funny.

If you don't like TGP, don't do it. There is more to this business than posting galleries. If you can't make money off TGP, suck it up and move on.

So how are people gonna call the TGP model with the softcore pics for free up front and a member's area for all the hardcore, filthy sex inside? I think it's a good model and people wanting to start TGP's should give it a try. I myself am seriously considering doing it, even though I considered the idea of starting a normal TGP a complete waste of my time and bandwidth. If enough people do it, we'll find the surfers.

Build it big enough, they will cum.
And hopefully pay.

Not every surfer knows the Hun

This was exactly the problem with TGP2 that I ran into. The idea that just because you show less pics(or now this idea that you only show softcore), that you're traffic will be so much better. Sorry, I did TGP2 and all I saw was better click thru ratios - and if you allowed aggressive advertising you'd duplicate those click thrus in regular TGP as well. I always got a kick out of people claiming there TGP2's had such hot shit traffic because Google sent them 250 hits - give me a fucking break, I got more SE hits on a dead CJ2 site. The sites were just as bad as TGPs, and in many cases much worse, with skims set to 60% more often than not.

Everyone wants to be part of a movement, but they have no traffic, and don't know what to do with what traffic they have. A site owner makes money off the site ads, not from a fuzzy warm feeling they get for offering less porn. Once that reality kicks in, the gallery builder and the less porn movement get kicked to the curb, because you gotta take care of number one.

And it wont take long before gallery builders would be bitching that TGPs send way more hits. Since most people need 500-2000 hits to a tour to make a join, they aren't going to keep submitting for 40 hits to their gallery.

Well depends. For example, i build my site. I make free softcore galleries on the front and convince people to become a member by either submitting to an AVS or double opt-in e-mail thing. Put your own galleries in the member's area with lots of upsale opportunities. You still welcome gallery makers, of course, but only hardcore ones. Let's say you make most of your galleries, reserve good spots for others with the same type of TGP who can promote their own aff. programs and in exchange do the same for you, and let random gallery makers take a lil bit of it. Not only do you have a constantly updating member's area, you make the gallery makers happy with better quality traffic that can make them money, keep good relations with the other owners of similar sites and exchange the same type of traffic. Anyway it's just an idea that i'm throwing on here, i'm pretty new in the biz, but it's an idea and i believe if enough people follow through it can be a very profitable model. I don't know if it's been done before so please enlighten me. Just my :2 cents:

I will shut up now. Thank you leader.

DH

Sleazydream is definitely not the leader :1orglaugh

who's the leader then?

any assclown with tons of shit traffic..wheee!!

Its SO simple. Most people in other countries get into this biz because it gives them a chance to rake in some big US Dollars. They can work harder, for longer hours, with small outgoings, and survive on minimal signups. Why? Because of their weaker economy.

Why do you think the big porn company's in Australia and Canada control the vast majority of the internets porn traffic? Because we get 2 for 1 on our local currency. Our running expenses are less, and our income is more. Go do the math! running a porn business within America in the future will not be economically viable, if not stupid.

Oh by the way, our laws don't fuck us over either! :321GFY

You need to re-think this :)

This is funny, everyone remember this thread when converting 1:3500 is the norm :thumbsup

The day i follow sleazydream, somebody please shoot me off the beaten path.

who's the leader of the club
that's made for you and me?

MIC
KEY

MOUSE

maybe it's time for tgp3

3 picture galleries

Remove all references to Canada.

Limiting hardcore pics in order to tease the customer and also putting all of your hardcore content behind an AVS to prevent children from viewing it seem like good ideas. Though everyone and their mother has Kazaa, Limewire or some other file-sharing software, all it takes is one person to join a paysite before the content is free to download for everyone. Tease me all you want with Bangbus or Tawnie Stone pics, just spell the chicks names right, so when I copy and paste it into Imesh I get 100 listings, is what the customer would really think.

i doubt that, selling traffic is profitable. A large established TGP gets well over 300k a day you can sell 100k of it for 3.50 per k and make a quick $350, pretty good for not having to do much.

how do u think the big boys do it???

We need to create an "official community", an industry with real leaders and strict rules... pretty much like a gouverment.

Freedom is NOT always a good thing. Guess it's too late now.

I'm not for restricting people's rights on how they can do business. I think people need to realize that this situation is going to get much worse before it gets better. Several people have stated 'if you don't like tgp traffic, don't mess with it' ...but this type of traffic is a huge part of our industry. If one doesn't directly deal with it, it's still going to indirectly effect one's business. As TGP traffic declines in value so does all other types of traffic, maybe not at the same rate of decline, but it's all relative.

And to once again quote the well known sleaze...

If you want to contribute to an in depth discussion and give your info on how TGP evolves every day, why don't get your head out of your ass and not directly insult people in the process. You can call me a no money idiot, and whether I have money or how much I have you will never know. The one thing I do know is that people do business with me because I have a good reputation and treat people with respect. I'm not sure why people do business with you...

:1orglaugh

SE traffic is KING, no?

I think the biggest problem is everyone gets into this industry with big dollar signs in their eyes. With the amount of money you can make why try to rush it? TGP's are just the quickest way people think they can get rich quick. Not happening. Then you get the frustrated ones who resort to cheating.

But most importantly I think people overlook how YOUNG this industry really is. Things have and will continue to change.

The real players are and will be the ones who innovate and do not follow what others have been doing. These are also the people who get ripped off for their ideas and their strategies copied (not much you can do about it).

good luck with your tgps! hehe

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