I review paysites for a guidesite and the mayority are worse than the your average tgp's not even speaking of updates.....
The content providers could have stricter license agreements to keep some value in the content but they seem to be doing the oposite....

Fact 1: You know I'm right.

Fact 2: You already have enough money to retire so why should you give a fuck about the fate of the industry in a few years.

Fact 3: You are a arrogant as they come.

Nice :thumbsup

I agree. I have used the non-hardcore pictures approach and it does get a better response when it comes to conversion.

I also agree with the idea of allowing html pages with a banner above and below the full size picture. It only makes sense. The people posting the pictures need to have as many places to recoup the bandwidth cost they encounter from the post.

I don't know if i agree with this, there are too many ways to cheat with html pages. Now a script would need to check 20-30 html pages instead of one.

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also, here is a sample gallery i've come up with...

http://www.teennips.com/tgp/sample/

Little thing called a referring url. Plus if you tell people their account will get shut down for sending tgp traffic it might have some small effect.



This, sadly, is true. The irony of course is that if all affiliate programs boycotted tgp traffic they would loose sales for a month or two and then after that their sales would increase exponentially to the point where they would be making 20 times as many sales as they are now. I just laugh when I hear people whining about how there's too much free porn around because of tgps. The people doing the whining are the ones who created the problem to begin with and are too stupid to see how easy it would be to end it if they actaully wanted to. Unfortuantely for all of us people tend to prefer to whine rather than actually do anything productive.

too much free porn!!

Even though this statement has some sense to it, I don't think affiliate programs will ever ban TGP traffic. The solution is to work on a new standard for TGP content as to where giving away a bunch of free hardcore content would be as taboo as spamming GFY on your first post.

No one said this idea will take off tomorrow, next week, or next month. But for all of us who are young in this business and plan on doing this for the next decade or two, we should consider taking small steps towards increasing the value of our content and services.

Exactly & you will find that rule came down from the biggest of the tgp's. Unfortunately most tgp's follow the rules of the biggest tgp's....like learning how to fish from dad. Only problem is, dad learned how to fish when the fish were all over, now your stuck with a polluted river, & your fishing with the same out-dated techniques.

Yeah

esp those movies from that Ultra something or other url that's on all those big TGPs... I mean with quality hardcore movie content like that out there for free how can anyone expect to sell anything?

exactly... too much free porn!!

And only one big tgp needs to do it to set the wheels in motion. Go ask the hun to do it & watch everyone fall in line.

But he won't do it...not until his 2million uniques a day end up costing him money. And that won't be for another 2-3 years atleast.

So sleazy, why not be the man to change it all? Why not be the guy who imposes some new rules to get the wheels greased? It has to start somewhere. Why not you....& why not now?

I LIKE giving away porn for free. Nothing pisses me off more than having to whip out my credit card when I want to wack off. Thank God for TGPs is all I can say.

Take a good long look at this quote...because he is being absolutely serious. :1orglaugh

lol..your better off starting your own trend instead of waiting for one of the big boys to do it...pave your own way and create your own legends

Best way is to stay out of the fucking TGP business if you can't convert its traffic. :2 cents:

We all know there's not gonna be any change in concept. Imagine Hun taking the step to show less hardcore / censored pics / lower quality / etc. A month later, he will have lost 5 Mio. surfers a day, because Pierre decided to keep his sites in the shape they've been in years.

As I said, just stay out of it, and don't complain about conversions.

Why would he want to leave his comfort zone? He's already got his piece of the pie. Why should he give two fucks about the slump he is dragging us all into. It's all about Sleazy & his money...

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TGP is Bullshit, and will put all of you motherfuckers out of jobs. And me, too.
:2 cents:

i have a couple of good posts to contribute every blue moon.If you look at the major TGP's what do they all have in common? Each other..one big happy CJ of reach around traffic. A listing with one of them back in the days no doubt got you many sales whereas a listing now may only get you a few sales. Its simple as this, the name HUN or AL4A are synamous with big TGP traffic but conversions are defintely not what they were in 98.I get lots more sales with a select bunch of smaller TGP's with targeted traffic than wasting my money ona paid listing and burning bandwith. If you dont liek the tactics a certain tgp is using,start your own. Surfers are getting smarter every day and if webmasters arent smarter than the surfer then they dont make any money:2 cents:

This isn't an issue of whether to mess with TGP traffic or not, it's the fact that a large target market is lost because there is a greatly diminished demand for a product, because it's being served up on a fuck'n silver platter for free. I'm just proposing that we take steps to regain some of this market, use the traffic that TGPs already have and turn it into something more valuable. Why does the Hun blacklist certain sponsors from being promoted on galleries he lists, because they contain too many pop-ups and such. Now look at the sponsor, why is he throwing extra pop-ups at the surfer, because the value of the traffic keeps diminishing as more free hardcore content is pumped into the marketplace. If you don't want to participate in the development of an idea, that's fine. I'm not preaching the new commandments of TGP, just giving people some solid thoughts to play with and develop.

And equinox is right....if you can't convert or make something happen, then don't fuck with it.

Walmarts not going to raise prices to even competition with joe blows :1orglaugh

All business is slash & burn...

Just like during the civil war...once you take over a town (or a market) you flood it with shit, or you burn it.

Until your the last man standing

So you can either find some new way to compete, or you find a different business to get into.

Whatever anyways i really don't give a fuck :1orglaugh

prO, hang in there pal, don't start backsliding on me now...


shemp

As far as I am concerned the important battle right now is to do exactly that for streaming content. Fortunately many people have at least partially learned their lesson. Free pics will matter less and less as streaming content becomes the only thing that will retain actual paysite members. TGP's will increasingly become the domain of people who won't/can't pay for porn anyway or don't have access to a broadband connection. Eventually they will die of obsolescence, but if free streaming gets out of control we're all screwed, so please folks, don't let it happen!

the same is as life is on the streets.One thing I have learned abotu this buisness is that it is definitely greed powered( the more money you make the more you want to make)...I dont think its human nature for any one of us to ever be satisfied in life. I know personally I try to make at least 1.5x of whatever i made that period. Money ,Power,Respect..didnt Biggie teach you anything!!!:1orglaugh

Absolutely not, all of my quotes were pre-approved by the leader.

Good work, I was worried

I absolutely hear ya. I would be among the first to build only softcore galleries, only showing little or no pink at all. But the problem I'd face would be that no (or few) TGPs would even accept me - and if I started to even censor out pussies - that sure would improve conversion, just cuz the horny surfer wouldn't get what he's love to see. But guess what. Neighbor Joe, who tried to make the quick buck or two, decides to fuck the ongoing movement and builds 50 pic hardcore, almost paysite quality galleries, makes them nice and neat, opens his own TGP with free pink, and voila - here we go again.

No use in evolving anything. :2 cents: You know it will fail. Best thing you can do (which I'm trying to do myself), is step away from the TGP traffic and introduce something new, fresh and hope it'll make you the $$$ you wish you had.

No reason to worry i'm still onboard :thumbsup

The *fact* that a 'revolution' might highly improve conversions is being ignored. Why should anyone listen at all ? Think about it. You don't want to fuck with something that works for you. And you can't convince others of your ideas when their work for them.

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in other words keep your bright money making ideas to yurself or a select few..:thumbsup

lol, exactly !:winkwink:

pornjester -

gay or not, i love your idea and its golden. im definitely going to offer my affiliates something like that after i release more sites. also going to build my own tgp network along the lines of that since bigger ones probably wont accept nude ones. fuck what everyone else thinks, its an awesome idea and it will definitely give better ratios and conversion rates. right on!

Heres some points most people fail to realise...

1. It all comes back to the Sponsorship programs. If NOBODY accepted TGP traffic, all TGP's would close the doors, and people would start hitting the search engines for porn again. People would be scrambling for their credit cards to sign up for memberships. Won't ever happen, its not an ideal world.

Though, my program does not allow TGP traffic. And Neither will www.naughtyandlive.com, which is now paying $25 per free trial, by the way. The way I see it, TGP webmasters can keep their cheapskate traffic.

2. TGP Owners run a monopoly, and screw the real adult webmasters, and program owners. They have 1000s of foreign and ethnic webmasters submitting galleries filled with stolen content, all of which they cannot get taken to court over. They put in stringent policies and rules, including in most cases recip links, where the whole process is geared to make submitters work for them and line their own pockets. Why do TGP submitters want to work for someone else, for virtually nothing?

Because in most cases, the TGP laborers live in third world countries, where they only need to earn one signup a month to make a decent living.


It all comes back to the sponsors, programs, affiliates. Just say NO to TGP traffic if you would like to see a long term future for your business.

I hope this doesnt effect my Elite lifestyle. I would hate to have to layoff the staff or have to drive a year old vehicle, I'll have nightmares about this.


shemp

Dude, what exaclty are you on ? :eek7

Some of the ideas here are a bit more cut-throat than others. I'm not trying to suggest that we try and put TGP out of business. I believe that TGPs at conception was a great marketing idea. A way for people to pool their resources together in order to make money for everyone. But some people seemed to have forgotten the whole marketing concept behind it, and many of the new TGPs may have never known what it was in the first place. The point of TGP was to whet the appetite of the surfer in order to encourage him to signup for a paysite. Now adays it seems the purpose of a TGP is to sell traffic to someone who thinks his stuff converts better than the guy before him. The gallery makers are the ones getting the shit end of the stick, are these our industry's version of migrant workers?

Also content providers, why do you want your content plastered all over ever TGP from NY to Hong Kong? I would think a model's content would be worth more if everyone hasn't already seen her goods from every angle imaginable. Maybe it's time for more strict licenses.

Everyone is thinking about next months rent check, or can I finance that new car soon? Maybe more of you should be thinking long term. Where will you be in five years with maybe a college degree and a resume full of porn references, better start looking for a good internship.

But what more can you expect from an industry full of people who were hooked on the idea of 'get rich quick'.

They'd get rich quicker following the ideas brought up in this thread. :2 cents:

Slowly I'm starting to believe that The Leader is responsible for this dilemma...:disgust

I always thought that the TGP owners made galleries and posted them on each others sites. This migrant worker concept of yours may have some merit though, Ive got to think about this...

shemp

Then should I propose the question: Where are we being led?

I've got a few Cubans fresh off the raft with some potential.. hit me up on ICQ :winkwink:

Ya, ive got a bunch of beatup old laptops they can use.
Lets see, Free content, free bandwidth, free submit software, free thumbnail software, free advice from the Boards,
I think you can even get free premade galleries now, could be the Gravy Train.

shemp

One of my Galleries was just turned down.
Explanation- Not enough nudity, submit again after showing more skin- DUH
So much for me trying the teaser stuff.

Now you'll be blacklisted for taking that news to the Boards.

shemp

Justice !!!

Amen!

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