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Juicy D. Links · 06-07-2007, 07:42 PM

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WiredGuy · 06-07-2007, 07:45 PM

You're doing stochastic / probability analysis?!
WG

Pornwolf · 06-07-2007, 07:55 PM

Hey, you guys are using big words again. Can you give your old country bumpkin cousin Pornwolf a hand understanding what you mean?

Achmed · 06-07-2007, 07:57 PM

infidels all over this place

WiredGuy · 06-07-2007, 08:13 PM

its a means to predict how something will react, in the case of programming, it has to do with the present, future and past states (all independent). Given independent states at time n, the probability that the program will move to state x at time n+1.

Basically, predicting what states a program will move to in the future given the past, present and future possible states. Mostly used in forecasting runtimes and other crazy shit.

I apparently went to university for 5 years to say that and will never ever use it. LOL
WG

woj · 06-07-2007, 08:14 PM

... and I thought it's some bondage toy... :-/

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munki · 06-07-2007, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

its a means to predict how something will react, in the case of programming, it has to do with the present, future and past states (all independent). Given independent states at time n, the probability that the program will move to state x at time n+1.

Basically, predicting what states a program will move to in the future given the past, present and future possible states. Mostly used in forecasting runtimes and other crazy shit.

I apparently went to university for 5 years to say that and will never ever use it. LOL
WG

But at least you got to say it... epenis+1

Pornwolf · 06-07-2007, 08:23 PM

Probablility that a program will move? So, do you mean like if TCG will move their program from Ft. Lauderdale to Ontario?

How can you predict that? Wouldn't you have to call Laura Lee or something?

edgeprod · 06-07-2007, 08:43 PM

We built Markov Chains into the new version of Autoblogger Pro Stand Alone, and have it enabled as a "beta" function for select users.

WiredGuy · 06-07-2007, 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Probablility that a program will move? So, do you mean like if TCG will move their program from Ft. Lauderdale to Ontario?

How can you predict that? Wouldn't you have to call Laura Lee or something?

From a blackhat SEO perspective, you can think of Markov Chains as a statistical method that analyzes the relationship between adjacent words in a document.

For example, with markov chains, a SE can deduct that a page which contains only nouns, probably is a spam page. Using the markov chains, once you see a noun, you know that within a few additional words there must be a verb based on the probability model of the English language. Alas, the birth of keyword density and the reason stuffing keywords is no longer useful.

If I write a spam page using markov chains, a SE can?t ban my pages through an automated prorgam, although an editor could clearly see it was spam.

PS: As an SEO its good to figure out how to stop SE spam in order to figure out how to circumvent it

WG

Pornwolf · 06-07-2007, 08:58 PM

Definitely.

I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?

WiredGuy · 06-07-2007, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Definitely.

I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?

I'm not sure to be honest, I haven't done keyword stuffing in nearly 10 years.
WG

TheDoc · 06-07-2007, 09:05 PM

WG always to give the professional input

Using the Markov Chain isn't very productive seo these days as WG said. But it still is a tool used to count words, re-order those words on math, and assist you with creating different text with groups of related paragraphs and keywords. These days you need other tools to help complete the logic, including human interaction to be fully seo effective.

Part of the possible advantages to translations.

Pornwolf · 06-07-2007, 09:06 PM

10 years? Shiiiit!

Lord knows what kind of advanced Jedi force you are using on the bots now a days.

TheDoc · 06-07-2007, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Definitely.

I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?

Bots can spot it due to error - but if the logic is correct it's very hard. Even humans can be fooled.

Using anything like this is blackhat, and could get you reported. You should always mask what you are doing through bot detection, redirects, ect.

Pretty_Lara · 06-07-2007, 09:56 PM

all doorways already banned even with Markov Chains ...

WiredGuy · 06-07-2007, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf

10 years? Shiiiit!

Lord knows what kind of advanced Jedi force you are using on the bots now a days.

I've integrated myself into the Google Matrix. I think of a keyword and insert myself directly into the results. Shabang!
WG

Pornwolf · 06-07-2007, 10:12 PM

Wow, WG... I knew you must be doing something right to make $20 million a year but I didn't think it was that easy.

Think, keyword... boom.

Damn, that's hot.

TheJimmy · 06-07-2007, 11:07 PM

Damm I had to look at the graphics and color of this forum to remember I wasn't on synd...k....ate

CaptainHowdy · 06-07-2007, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

I've integrated myself into the Google Matrix. I think of a keyword and insert myself directly into the results. Shabang!
WG

FUCK !!

datatank · 06-07-2007, 11:24 PM

OzMan · 06-07-2007, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredGuy

You're doing stochastic / probability analysis?!
WG

never judge by appearances

fatdicksimon · 06-08-2007, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pornwolf

Definitely.

I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?

I dunno. IMHO, I think the easily spotted markov generated content is due to not having a large enough lexicon to build the content from. If you generate a huge lexicon and use markov chaining to generate content from it, you would be surprised by how 'real' the generated content looks.

bDok · 06-08-2007, 12:50 AM

used some in some scraper sites.

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Probablility that a program will move? So, do you mean like if TCG will move their program from Ft. Lauderdale to Ontario? How can you predict that? Wouldn't you have to call Laura Lee or something? __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Definitely. I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots. It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right? __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

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