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ControlThy · 08-27-2002, 09:19 AM

XXXManager,

Everyone is just keeping an eye on their interests.
If the EU did not have any interests in the IRAQI conflict then they would not support the US in its attack.

However as you are well aware, like the US, the EU needs to keep its cars running and therefor it is most likely that they would support an attack against IRAQ in the end.

But let president Bush first present his plan of attack so we all get a clearer image of what he wants to achieve.

volante · 08-27-2002, 09:21 AM

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Originally posted by XXXManager
Do you think that EU leaders dont support US because they are smart and good and thought about it well and decided its stratecigally not good for world peace to attack iraq and the interest of all and that it wont achieve its goals and the US is wrong?
OR
its because they are a bunch of chickens that will sell thier mother for some oil and trade licences? and hate US because they are more powerful and can bully them?

Or perhaps it's because they've realised that by attacking Iraq on the pretence that they might have weapons of mass destruction that they could use against the US and it's allies, they further infuriate the Arab nations that already have weapons of mass destruction and who are looking for an excuse to use them...

ControlThy · 08-27-2002, 09:23 AM

And lets not forget that the current status of the world economy is not too good.

The EU is hesitating to spend billions of dollars on a war that might not have the end results they want.

XXXManager · 08-27-2002, 09:24 AM

Anyway. Who gives a fuck about country allies. If you ask people in the streets - they will support the cause. Atleast those who know enough about the situation.
About the Oild story..
Consider thew following point of view please..
A country as big and strong as the US (same for Russia/China/..) can not be defeated (or even battled) by arms. especially not by a group of terrorist or a weak terrorist country like Iraq.
Their only weapon is hit the "enemy" (US) where it hurts the most - ECONOMY. 9/11 destroyed alot of "money" - which is infact people's power. If attacks like 9/11 occur again or on a regular basis, US will be brought down on its knees.
Oil is one way Iraq can fight against the US.
US has all the existantial right to fight its enemies when they threat their safty/well-being.
US dont need the authorization of noone (not even EU) for protecting itself against Osama-Bin-Laden devestating terror or against Iraq terror regime.
Russia dont need noones approval to fight the muslim terrorists in Checniya.
Israel dont need anyones green-light to protect itself against murderers.
Its strange but all of those fight against Muslims fanatics. Go figure

If US/Russia/Israel wants the backup of EU its their right to ask. They may not get it, but dont fool yourself thinking that they wont get it because of the right EU motives.

Its time people wake up from their childish dream of a perect world where no danger is stronger than US capitalism.
You all surf the net, go to holywood movies, eat mcDonalds (even - sad as it is - watch Rickey lake).

So fuck allies. If someone threatens your life just because he hates you - dont wait for my approvel - KILL THE MOTHER FUCKER

XXXManager · 08-27-2002, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ControlThy
XXXManager,

Everyone is just keeping an eye on their interests.
If the EU did not have any interests in the IRAQI conflict then they would not support the US in its attack.

However as you are well aware, like the US, the EU needs to keep its cars running and therefor it is most likely that they would support an attack against IRAQ in the end.

But let president Bush first present his plan of attack so we all get a clearer image of what he wants to achieve.

Plan? What plan???
Go in - kill the mother fucker - divide Iraq into seperate regions ruled by different countries (Saudi-Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, US-reps) or alternatively do what they did in Afghanistan.

What plan do you need to see fist?

What plan do you fear from? what plan can you say no to?

Honeyslut · 08-27-2002, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by mika
I don't mean western allies, but allies in the Mid East area, that would support the attack like they did in Persian Gulf War.

At least Qatar and Saudi-Arabia have announced that their bases cannot be used against Iraq.

Does US still have bases in the area, or does it look like they need to attack from carriers only (and possibly Turkey)?

And what if they need land troops?

Depends on Bush's entertainment today !

http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/...nce/index.html

XXXManager · 08-27-2002, 09:30 AM

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Originally posted by volante
Or perhaps it's because they've realised that by attacking Iraq on the pretence that they might have weapons of mass destruction that they could use against the US and it's allies, they further infuriate the Arab nations that already have weapons of mass destruction and who are looking for an excuse to use them...

So anyway - you agree these are not the right considerations.. (if any - the conclusion should be - go in and clean the place - because such weapons in such hands are a recepie for disaster)

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Originally posted by ControlThy
And lets not forget that the current status of the world economy is not too good.
The EU is hesitating to spend billions of dollars on a war that might not have the end results they want.

So you agree they are chickens..

volante · 08-27-2002, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy
And lets not forget that the current status of the world economy is not too good.

Fortunately all this talk of a war against Iraq has pushed up the prices of oil - good news for anyone who's family might have a strong financial interest in the oil producing industry

Cynical? Me?

Dildozer · 08-27-2002, 09:59 AM

There is alot of un-tapped oil sources around the world because the cost of exploitation isn't as cheap as the ones in middle east. A war would certainly bring those sources to life and benefit other countries. In the long run the cost of exploitation, technology to exploit those resources would come down. Take Canada for example, Alberta has alot of oil wells that aren't exploited because costs are too high. In the end it might hurt the middle east economy more than ours.

kmanrox · 08-27-2002, 10:28 AM

let's get it ONNNNNNN!!!!

PaulSweet · 08-27-2002, 11:28 AM

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Originally posted by Mr.Andersen
I think the US should start planning Intergalactic domination

What do you think that "Starwars" innitiative is all about and why the rest of the world was so upset that Bush was starting it up again

ChrisH · 08-27-2002, 01:35 PM

We don't need anyones support with Iraq, it would be nice. But not really needed!

ChrisH · 08-27-2002, 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by CluelessJoe

I think we need some more hijacked jets flying into New York City... more death and destruction... besides, the fuckers obviously missed you last time!

Hey Joe next time you're in NY. Send me an email. We can meet up some place.

Rose · 08-27-2002, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by vendot
> the US gets ONLY 7% of its oil from the middle east

No much more than that but I would ask you a more important question: "Where does the US get its oil?"

Im no oil expert..... but I imagine a lot of the extra comes from the sea and from Russia.

Us is getting oil mainly from 3 sources

Venezuela
Canada
Russia

XXXManager · 08-27-2002, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisH
We don't need anyones support with Iraq, it would be nice. But not really needed!

Exactly
Anyway - They got my support.

ControlThy · 08-27-2002, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by XXXManager

Exactly
Anyway - They got my support.

Super. I bet Bush and his administration are happy to have won the support of one small adult webmaster.

ChrisH · 08-27-2002, 02:43 PM

Control,
You'd be pretty surprised how many Americans support this action.
Moreover, you'd be stunned at how many Americans could careless what the EU thinks!!

Vendot · 08-27-2002, 02:51 PM

> I bet Bush and his administration are happy to have won
> the support of one small adult webmaster.

Why not, theres a lot of synergies in our business.

We send shit loads of traffic to crappy sites hoping it'll convert. They'll send shit loads of troops to a crappy place and it better convert cos its fucking paid for!

We're slimey porn dealers...... they're slimey oil dealers.

They're ruled by Saddam Hussein, we're ruled by iBill.

ControlThy · 08-27-2002, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisH
Control,
You'd be pretty surprised how many Americans support this action.
Moreover, you'd be stunned at how many Americans could careless what the EU thinks!!

Ofcourse, I have seen the numbers.
Tell me why president Bush has so many problems getting this attack plan of his off the ground?

You do know that, eventhough only symbolic, the USA needs to have its allies back them ? We are talking politics here, not some bad TV show.

XXXManager · 08-27-2002, 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ControlThy

Ofcourse, I have seen the numbers.
Tell me why president Bush has so many problems getting this attack plan of his off the ground?

You do know that, eventhough only symbolic, the USA needs to have its allies back them ? We are talking politics here, not some bad TV show.

ControlThy
Do you have any opinion/point/idea to make?
What are you saying?
What do you think?

ControlThy · 08-27-2002, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by XXXManager

ControlThy
Do you have any opinion/point/idea to make?
What are you saying?
What do you think?

I think the IRAQI "problem" needs some more thought, make sure that the consequences of an attack are analyzed. It is not a quick clean up operation without any negative aspects. The USA does not even have a suitable site for launching this attack from.

Rose · 08-27-2002, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ControlThy

I think the IRAQI "problem" needs some more thought, make sure that the consequences of an attack are analyzed. It is not a quick clean up operation without any negative aspects. The USA does not even have a suitable site for launching this attack from.

Turkey, Kurds at the north offered their land, even Romania offered air bases for Air strikes. This time they would attack from the north.

ChrisH · 08-27-2002, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ControlThy

I think the IRAQI "problem" needs some more thought, make sure that the consequences of an attack are analyzed. It is not a quick clean up operation without any negative aspects. The USA does not even have a suitable site for launching this attack from.

What type of fight do you think the Iraqis have in them? Within 24 hours they'd be surrendering to CNN again. LOL.....

There armed forces aren't well equiped, they aren't even well fed for christs sake.

As Rose said they can attack from the North, not to mention the half dozen carriers that will be in the Gulf.

What really is disturbing to me, is that if and when this asshole gets a nuke he can hit Europe alot easier then he could the US. Doesn't that give you any thought of what could happen to the EU?? Do you think he wouldn't hit Europe?

As for pollitical support. When has France ever sided with the US? Never! So why should we worry/care now? I don't. Not one bit.

XXXManager · 08-27-2002, 04:26 PM

There are many political discussion here on GFY and many feel free to post their views no matter how unsubstancial.

Take the time to read this link, just an arbitrary one I found
http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1991/910710-189813.htm

Tell you the truth, you may very well not be able to post replies on GFY if not for Israel's 1981 attack on Iraqi's nuclear plant.
Do you know how many of your countries (including US) supported the attack?
You guessed right... fuck all (0 support!)...

just a quote from the smart american fella in the link above
"Q: Do we have a judgment on how the Israeli attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor affected the development of Iraq's nuclear program?
A: Any judgement on Saddam Hussein's motivations for seeking a nuclear weapons capability or what effect the 1981 attack might have had on Iraq's program would be extremely speculative."
this "bright" fella is US State Department's Assistant Secretary/Spokesman. Way to go smarty

I know one impact - bunch of EU adult webmasters with too many opinions and even arab-muslim ones (like [Labret]) posting on GFY

08-27-2002, 09:59 AM	#59
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08-27-2002, 04:26 PM	#74
XXXManager So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy Posts: 893	There are many political discussion here on GFY and many feel free to post their views no matter how unsubstancial. Take the time to read this link, just an arbitrary one I found http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1991/910710-189813.htm Tell you the truth, you may very well not be able to post replies on GFY if not for Israel's 1981 attack on Iraqi's nuclear plant. Do you know how many of your countries (including US) supported the attack? You guessed right... fuck all (0 support!)... just a quote from the smart american fella in the link above "Q: Do we have a judgment on how the Israeli attack on the Iraqi nuclear reactor affected the development of Iraq's nuclear program? A: Any judgement on Saddam Hussein's motivations for seeking a nuclear weapons capability or what effect the 1981 attack might have had on Iraq's program would be extremely speculative." this "bright" fella is US State Department's Assistant Secretary/Spokesman. Way to go smarty I know one impact - bunch of EU adult webmasters with too many opinions and even arab-muslim ones (like [Labret]) posting on GFY Last edited by XXXManager; 08-27-2002 at 04:28 PM..

08-27-2002, 09:19 AM	#51
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	XXXManager, Everyone is just keeping an eye on their interests. If the EU did not have any interests in the IRAQI conflict then they would not support the US in its attack. However as you are well aware, like the US, the EU needs to keep its cars running and therefor it is most likely that they would support an attack against IRAQ in the end. But let president Bush first present his plan of attack so we all get a clearer image of what he wants to achieve.

08-27-2002, 09:23 AM	#53
ControlThy Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,909	And lets not forget that the current status of the world economy is not too good. The EU is hesitating to spend billions of dollars on a war that might not have the end results they want.

08-27-2002, 09:24 AM	#54
XXXManager So Fucking Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western Spiral arm of the Galaxy Posts: 893	Anyway. Who gives a fuck about country allies. If you ask people in the streets - they will support the cause. Atleast those who know enough about the situation. About the Oild story.. Consider thew following point of view please.. A country as big and strong as the US (same for Russia/China/..) can not be defeated (or even battled) by arms. especially not by a group of terrorist or a weak terrorist country like Iraq. Their only weapon is hit the "enemy" (US) where it hurts the most - ECONOMY. 9/11 destroyed alot of "money" - which is infact people's power. If attacks like 9/11 occur again or on a regular basis, US will be brought down on its knees. Oil is one way Iraq can fight against the US. US has all the existantial right to fight its enemies when they threat their safty/well-being. US dont need the authorization of noone (not even EU) for protecting itself against Osama-Bin-Laden devestating terror or against Iraq terror regime. Russia dont need noones approval to fight the muslim terrorists in Checniya. Israel dont need anyones green-light to protect itself against murderers. Its strange but all of those fight against Muslims fanatics. Go figure If US/Russia/Israel wants the backup of EU its their right to ask. They may not get it, but dont fool yourself thinking that they wont get it because of the right EU motives. Its time people wake up from their childish dream of a perect world where no danger is stronger than US capitalism. You all surf the net, go to holywood movies, eat mcDonalds (even - sad as it is - watch Rickey lake). So fuck allies. If someone threatens your life just because he hates you - dont wait for my approvel - KILL THE MOTHER FUCKER

08-27-2002, 01:35 PM	#62
ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	We don't need anyones support with Iraq, it would be nice. But not really needed!

08-27-2002, 02:43 PM	#67
ChrisH Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New York Posts: 1,355	Control, You'd be pretty surprised how many Americans support this action. Moreover, you'd be stunned at how many Americans could careless what the EU thinks!!

08-27-2002, 02:51 PM	#68
Vendot Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: Malaysia Posts: 3,376	> I bet Bush and his administration are happy to have won > the support of one small adult webmaster. Why not, theres a lot of synergies in our business. We send shit loads of traffic to crappy sites hoping it'll convert. They'll send shit loads of troops to a crappy place and it better convert cos its fucking paid for! We're slimey porn dealers...... they're slimey oil dealers. They're ruled by Saddam Hussein, we're ruled by iBill.