Buildings collapsed at free fall rate - no resistance

The top of the building fell, bringing down all of the weight on top of it.

haha ok Rochard..a huuge piece of building fell neatly into itself instead of falling over like a tree does when you cut a tiny wedge out of it.
then it pancaked the floors beneath it all without offering any resistance.
if it had pancaked i think the fall would have taken about 11-12 seconds

each floor would have slowed the fall

Experts agree it is scientifically impossible that fire could have brought down the WTC towers 1 and 2 or building 7

i agree with them...fire didnt bring down the towers..massive explosives which were laid months and the weekend before were used instead....eye witnesses exist that saw men laying new"internet wiring" through the building the weekend of.

also the planes hit a steel mesh..sort of like sticking your hand through your screen window...fuck all happens to the whole screen.

also all the jetfuel ignited on impact..what do you think that huge fireball was from? aliens?

and rochard building 7 was chalk full of rico files and SEC fraud investigations and manyother things some people in pwoer wanted to go away....it came down for those reasons

Many eyewitnesses from all perspectives reported multiple explosions at the scene.

yes many are credible..not too mention many are burned and have burns on their bodies from these explosions as they were going on...not too mention the phone calls from the people inside the towers saying..something is blowing up underneath us


too busy to respond to the other "points" y ou brought up



Please if you are going to offer evidence..please give evidence that a 4th grade physics student wont laugh at....mind you yale graduates eat it up.

Rochard in italics, my respons below.


The top of the building fell, bringing down all of the weight on top of it.

This would take 4-5 minutes, now the tower fell in free fall speed without any resistance beneath meaning the lower floors where already gone.

Fire didn't bring down the buildings. Not sure what you saw that morning, but I saw two very large fucking planes - HUGE planes - plow into the two towers. The damage to the structure itself might have been enough to bring down the towers, but it didn't. The combination of the original impact, the resulting fireball, the damage to the structure itself, and multiple fires on many floors is what brought down the buildings.

Have you ever been to the WTC? I have. The entire building is an airlock. When you go outside at that height, the wind whips around. Imagine having a fire that high up with the wind flaming the flames.

The towers where designed to withstand several hits by planes equal to the size of those that hit them on 911. Fire cannot melt steel under no circumstances and it cannot weaken it in such a short period of time.

There are examples of buildings of lower quality construction that have burned for many many hours without collapsing.

Building 7 wasn't hit by a plane. But it suffered damage from debris falling, was on fire also, and not to mention both towers fell and it's debris covered the entire area.

Building 7 had minor fires over 2 floors, there are lots of picture evidence to prove it. That in no way explains the perfect implosion of the entire building. It just doesnt make any sense at all.

There were multiple explosions at many different levels of both WTC towers. On one of them (or perhaps both) some of the elevators shot down to the main lobby and created a fireball in the main lobby. This happened on multiple floors, and I'm willing to guess on any floor where there was a "sky lobby".

Witnesses say they heard explosions in sequences, firefighters, nearby civilians and others have all suggested this. There are just too many witness reports of explosions in different places in the towers to discard.

Seismic data even shows explosions right BEFORE the planes hit the towers.

I watch for this every time I see footage of the towers falling and I do in fact see something. It sort of looks like a puff of smoke. This "puff of smoke" could be nearly anything. Perhaps it's debris from above; Perhaps's it's some kind of a gas or water line exploding as the building above it starts falling. Hell, perhaps it's the steel or concrete giving way as millions of tons of crap fell on it and it couldn't hold the weight.

If you look at videos of controlled demolition, these puffs are always there in the exact same fashion as on the world trade center towers.


I have no idea who Larry Silverstein is and frankly I don't care. I read this statement as "we've decided to pull all personel from this building because, duh, it's on fire".

Do some research, he owned the place and got HUGE sums of insurance money. He insured the building right before 911 specifically covering acts of terrorism.

This has nothing to do with anything. I'm not sure what this chap or his buddies heard, but it could have been anything. And being as it happened before the plane hit, well, doesn't mean anything. If it happened before the plane hit it didn't bring down the building.

Of course it mean something, this suggests they took out the base support. See the comment on the seismic data above.

We should look into this. I think a two year study of trading patterns over the past ten years will reveal many things about how Jewish companies and other companies operate. The thought line here is that a number of Jewish companies did some odd trading deals the day before 9/11. I'm sure that if it's looked into, tens of thousands of companies of interest - Jewish and otherwise - didn't do anything special that day or the day before.

This really does not need an explanation, even you suggest something fishy is going on.


I don't think we are sure exactly who each and every one of them are. It's entirely possible that we have wrong information on some of them.

Oh yeah? They say they found their passports. And its pretty bad if they accuse innocent people about acts of terrorism.

What would be normal standard operating procedure be in the event that multiple plans are hijacked and rammed into tall buildings at multiple locations? Seems to me this wasn't a miltiary thing but a Federal Government thing, being as planes are run by the FFA. And when the FAA called the Military they said "well, you guys need to get some planes up or something".

If you look into the standard procedures of the involved parties you will see that if everything was in order, they would have intercepted the planes. People who worked with this stuff suggest it is impossible to explain the situation in any way other than a standdown.


Anything else?

Denial about what? I don't know anything useful about the physics of a 110 story building getting hit by a plane. There are plenty of papers that have been published with all kinds of interesting hypotheses but none of these people have actually went and flown jets into 10 buildings in order to get a better and real understanding of the phenomena. If you want to cherry pick the papers you agree with and ignore the rest do so but you are doing just that.

Even in something as simple as the physics of baseball you can discover a lot with a wind tunnel and some balls.

There ain't no WTC tower plus a jet wind-tunnel.

Saying something is possible or not possible about such a structural problem seems to me to be absurd. There are plenty enough good papers out there on it - but they all have a heavy element of conjecture. The paper by the MIT professor is aptly titled "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation". Speculation there is plenty of here.

Shit. I opened up a can of worms.

[QUOTE=Phoenix;12525972]Buildings collapsed at free fall rate - no resistance


haha ok Rochard..a huuge piece of building fell neatly into itself instead of falling over like a tree does when you cut a tiny wedge out of it.
then it pancaked the floors beneath it all without offering any resistance.
if it had pancaked i think the fall would have taken about 11-12 seconds

each floor would have slowed the fall

I never saw a building fall over. If it happened at the base I could see this happening, but this isn't the case. It happened up top, and the top of the building fell onto the lower floors.

fire didnt bring down the towers..massive explosives which were laid months and the weekend before were used instead....eye witnesses exist that saw men laying new"internet wiring" through the building the weekend of.

The WTC Towers were huge; Hundreds of thousands of peple worked in them. I'm sure they had an entire department who did nothing but wire up that building.

also the planes hit a steel mesh..sort of like sticking your hand through your screen window...fuck all happens to the whole screen.

I can't argue this point. I can't compare the WTC towers to my screen window.

also all the jetfuel ignited on impact..what do you think that huge fireball was from? aliens?

I'm pretty sure that when a jet liner crashes into a building it blows up.

and rochard building 7 was chalk full of rico files and SEC fraud investigations and manyother things some people in pwoer wanted to go away....it came down for those reasons

This may be true. However, if a few hundred million tons of concrete and steel fall around my house..... AND my house was on fire I'm pretty sure it would fall down too.

the whole damn building was a heat sink....the fire did almost nothing to the integrity of the building

Gonzalez cleared the Bush family of wrong doing in the 80's when the USA was tryint to label them as organised crime


how quickly people forget

the kennedy's took over all theatres in a record short time..lol

gangsters and politics go together like honey and bread

Links to said proof of a non kook website nature? lol :1orglaugh

My responses in red.....


The top of the building fell, bringing down all of the weight on top of it.

This would take 4-5 minutes, now the tower fell in free fall speed without any resistance beneath meaning the lower floors where already gone.

Fire didn't bring down the buildings. Not sure what you saw that morning, but I saw two very large fucking planes - HUGE planes - plow into the two towers. The damage to the structure itself might have been enough to bring down the towers, but it didn't. The combination of the original impact, the resulting fireball, the damage to the structure itself, and multiple fires on many floors is what brought down the buildings.

Have you ever been to the WTC? I have. The entire building is an airlock. When you go outside at that height, the wind whips around. Imagine having a fire that high up with the wind flaming the flames.

The towers where designed to withstand several hits by planes equal to the size of those that hit them on 911. Fire cannot melt steel under no circumstances and it cannot weaken it in such a short period of time.

There are examples of buildings of lower quality construction that have burned for many many hours without collapsing.

The buildings were designed to withstand impacts high up in the tower with a plane full of fuel. Well, that didn't seem to work too well. I've read what they planned for and I don't think anyone could have planned for this.

And yes, lesser buildings have have similar impacts - The Empire State Building had a WWII bomber crash into it.

Building 7 wasn't hit by a plane. But it suffered damage from debris falling, was on fire also, and not to mention both towers fell and it's debris covered the entire area.

Building 7 had minor fires over 2 floors, there are lots of picture evidence to prove it. That in no way explains the perfect implosion of the entire building. It just doesnt make any sense at all.

During the 1989 Loma Preta earthquake in San Francisco the Bay Bridge fell as well as other bridges. Do you mean to tell me that the falling of the two towers, being hit by hundreds of tons of debris isnt' enough to sink that building? If one of the World Trade Center towers fell next to my house it would be burried in rubble - and my hous would fall.

There were multiple explosions at many different levels of both WTC towers. On one of them (or perhaps both) some of the elevators shot down to the main lobby and created a fireball in the main lobby. This happened on multiple floors, and I'm willing to guess on any floor where there was a "sky lobby".

Witnesses say they heard explosions in sequences, firefighters, nearby civilians and others have all suggested this. There are just too many witness reports of explosions in different places in the towers to discard.

Seismic data even shows explosions right BEFORE the planes hit the towers.

I have never heard of this.

I watch for this every time I see footage of the towers falling and I do in fact see something. It sort of looks like a puff of smoke. This "puff of smoke" could be nearly anything. Perhaps it's debris from above; Perhaps's it's some kind of a gas or water line exploding as the building above it starts falling. Hell, perhaps it's the steel or concrete giving way as millions of tons of crap fell on it and it couldn't hold the weight.

If you look at videos of controlled demolition, these puffs are always there in the exact same fashion as on the world trade center towers.

They are. Like I said, the building was falling. I dont have an degree in engineering but it sounds reasonable to me that if hundreds of tons of concrete and steel above a certain joint... that somewhere something is gonna shift and shift hard.


I have no idea who Larry Silverstein is and frankly I don't care. I read this statement as "we've decided to pull all personel from this building because, duh, it's on fire".

Do some research, he owned the place and got HUGE sums of insurance money. He insured the building right before 911 specifically covering acts of terrorism.

That's right, I remember now. I haven't heard this but it doesn't mean much to me.

This has nothing to do with anything. I'm not sure what this chap or his buddies heard, but it could have been anything. And being as it happened before the plane hit, well, doesn't mean anything. If it happened before the plane hit it didn't bring down the building.

Of course it mean something, this suggests they took out the base support. See the comment on the seismic data above.

I'd love to hear more about this.

We should look into this. I think a two year study of trading patterns over the past ten years will reveal many things about how Jewish companies and other companies operate. The thought line here is that a number of Jewish companies did some odd trading deals the day before 9/11. I'm sure that if it's looked into, tens of thousands of companies of interest - Jewish and otherwise - didn't do anything special that day or the day before.

This really does not need an explanation, even you suggest something fishy is going on.

It's easy to swtich stats around. You can say "thirty jewish companies made odd trades that day". But what they don't say is that there are forty thousand jewsish owned companies who did nothing that day, and the fact that on any given day or week ten thousand jewish companies make similar trades.


I don't think we are sure exactly who each and every one of them are. It's entirely possible that we have wrong information on some of them.

Oh yeah? They say they found their passports. And its pretty bad if they accuse innocent people about acts of terrorism.

The found passportes which they used to enter the country. These passports were created by which govenment? Not like you can't fake any of those. In fact, it's not like the US government can't fake those too.

What would be normal standard operating procedure be in the event that multiple plans are hijacked and rammed into tall buildings at multiple locations? Seems to me this wasn't a miltiary thing but a Federal Government thing, being as planes are run by the FFA. And when the FAA called the Military they said "well, you guys need to get some planes up or something".

If you look into the standard procedures of the involved parties you will see that if everything was in order, they would have intercepted the planes. People who worked with this stuff suggest it is impossible to explain the situation in any way other than a standdown.

Seems to me our military on 9/11 wasn't paying any attention to any of this. This was being handled by the FAA. I mean, even the FAA didn't have any clue there was a problem until after the first planes hit. By then it was pretty much over.

I just watched a show about 9/11 the other day. The guy from the FAA calls up NORAD (or whatever it was) and says "I think you guys need to scramble some planes or something".

I don't think the military had any idea what to do, and the fact that it all happened so fast and there was a lack of information / incorrect information caused them to pretty much do nothing.


Anything else?

How about a backrub?

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huch yuck yuck

man did you think that one up all by yourself?

Guys..... I surely don't support Bush here. He needs to go - big time. But if you think Bush and his buddies were able to pull this off without anyone else knowing.... your giving him / them way too much credit.

Phone call from PUMPITOUT.COM to Controlled Demolitions Inc:

PUMPITOUT: Is this Controlled Demolitions?
CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS INC: Yes it is.
PIO: Ok, I was wondering if there was someone I could talk to breifly just to just ask a question I had?
CDI: Well what kind of question?
PIO:I just wanted to know what a term meant in demolition terms.
CDI: Ok what type of term?
PIO: Well if you were in the demolition business and you said the term "Pull it", I was wondering exactly what that would mean?
CDI: "Pull it"?
PIO: Yeah.
CDI: Hmm. Hold on a minute.
PIO: Thank you.
CDI: Sir?
PIO: Yes.
CDI: Pull it is when they actually pull it down.
PIO: Oh, well thank you very much for your time.

Audio: http://www.pumpitout.com/phone_calls...emolitions.mp3

And here's an excerpt from an interview with controlled demolition expert Danny Jowenko, who has almost twenty years experience performing CDs, also confirming that "Pull it" is a controlled demolition term:

This is work of man. This is a hired job. [Larry Silverstein] said it himself. You hear him saying "Pull it" down.

Video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=sep-HDZoEBM

I think it's long overdue that Mr. Silverstein get up in front of a courtroom under oath and explain exactly what he meant when he said...

I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.

-Building 7 owner Larry Silverstein in the 2002 PBS documentary "America Rebuilds"

Video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=u0scE7bQWdk

Thanks to PUMPITOUT.COM for all the great info

http://www.911myths.com/

Interesting site I hadn't seen before.

I really would like to know how building #7 came down.

In a time when the media has round-the-clock coverage of so much trivial shit I am amazed of the lack of inquiry. If Silverstein owned a used car lot and was rippoing people off 60 minutes would be all over him.

Only an hour til the office closes. I hope someone says "footprint" again.

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The smoking gun is building 7, im not going to go into the massive amount of evidence that it was brought down by controlled demolition. But if you really want to know whats going on that is the first thing to research. There is no good explanation whatsoever to why it collapsed and the 911 commision report totally ignored it altogether. And the whole Silverstein ordeal is just, unbelievable.

Just look at the goddamn video of wtv 7 collapsing, it looks just like all those controlled demolition videos. They say it was because the structure was weakened by fires, well I have seen tons of images of wtc 7 and there are small fires on two floors. It just doesnt make any sense at all and they wont explain it.

What is it you americans say, if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

[QUOTE=ADL Colin;12526286]Only an hour til the office closes. I hope someone says "footprint" again.[/QUOTE

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Its called gravity... but if you look at the fall, the debrise outside the buildings fall faster than the core.

Yeah thats true, but there were several other factors than fire.

Its quite normal with explosions with such heavy fires, and when so much energy is released.

Even if he meant, and also explained it later, to pull out the firemen, the demolition term "pull" does not mean to bring down a building among experts. "Pull" means to keep one building away from another with cables, when tearing it down. And why should he give a demolition order to a fireman?

Everyone was confused that day, and even if he is reliable, is it sure that he heard an explosion?

Maybe they have investigated it and didn't find anything. No reason to make it public then.

Really? Where? And more important; why haven't they contacted a TV-network or something? That would put an end to Bush.

If one person can do it, anyone can.

And what does that prove? Its not the first time in history allied become enemy.

Wars can never be justified. Its just necessary sometimes. Bill Clinton could have eliminated Bin Laden, but didn't. Unfortunately, preventing war can look even more unjustified.

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Several of the apparent hijackers have been found to be alive.

Really? Where? And more important; why haven't they contacted a TV-network or something? That would put an end to Bush.

Well they did contact the media yes the "main stream media".. And it didnt' do shit to Bush or change anyones mind people just looked away from the facts.

Abdul Aziz Al-Omari (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)

The identities of two men with same name have been cobbled together to create an FBI "terrorist". Both are Alive!

The first has the same name, the same birth date as one of the FBI "terrorists" but has no idea how to fly.

The second has the name Abdul Rahman Al-Omari and a different birth date, but is the person pictured by the FBI and is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines.

Here are some quotes from the world's media concerning them.

Omari Number 1

"A Saudi man has reported to authorities that he is the real Abdul Aziz Al-Omari, and claims his passport was stolen in 1995 while he studied electrical engineering at the University of Denver. Al-Omari says he informed police of the theft." - ABCNews

"I couldn't believe it when the FBI put me on their list. They gave my name and my date of birth, but I am not a suicide bomber. I am here. I am alive. I have no idea how to fly a plane. I had nothing to do with this." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001

"The name (listed by the FBI) is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York," Abdul Aziz Al-Omari told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper.

"Al-Omari has since been found in Saudi Arabia and is apparently cleared in the case" - New York Times

"Saudi Embassy officials in Washington have challenged his identity. They say a Saudi electrical engineer named Abdul Aziz Al-Omari had his passport and other papers stolen in 1996 in Denver when he was a student and reported the theft to police there at the time." - BBC

"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)

Omari Number 2

Mr. Al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, walked into the US embassy in Jeddah to demand why he was being reported as a dead hijacker in the American media.

"Abdul Aziz Al-Omari is a pilot for Saudi Arabian Airlines" - BBC 23rd September 2001

"A pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking ­ as well as being dead ­ and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation." - Independent 17th September 2001

This Al-Omari lives with his wife and four children in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia.


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Saeed Al-Ghamdi (Flight 93) (Trained Pilot)

"Saeed Al-Ghamdi is one of three hijackers that US officials have said are linked to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida network." - BBC

No BBC! Mr. Al-Ghamdi is still alive and well and at his job for Tunis Air.

"I was completely shocked. For the past 10 months I have been based in Tunis with 22 other pilots learning to fly an Airbus 320. The FBI provided no evidence of my presumed involvement in the attacks." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001

"Asharq Al Awsat newspaper, a London-based Arabic daily, says it has interviewed Saeed Al-Ghamdi." - BBC 23rd September 2001

"Abdel Aziz Al-Omari and Saïd Hussein Gharamallah Al-Ghamdi, are well in life, the first in Saudi Arabia and the second in Tunisia for nine months." - Wal Fadjri 21st September 2001 (translate)

"..... not dead and had nothing to do with the heinous terror attacks in New York and Washington." - Saudi embassy




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Waleed Al-Shehri (Flight 11) (Trained Pilot)

"A sixth person on the FBI's list, Saudi national Waleed Al-Shehri, is living in Casablanca, according to an official with the Royal Air Moroc, the Moroccan commercial airline. According to the unnamed official, Al-Shehri lived in Dayton Beach, Fla., where he took flight training at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. Now he works for a Moroccan airline." On Sept. 22, Associated Press reported that Alshehri had spoken to the U.S. embassy in Morocco.

"His photograph was released by the FBI, and has been shown in newspapers and on television around the world. That same Mr Al-Shehri has turned up in Morocco, proving clearly that he was not a member of the suicide attack." - Daily Trust 24th September 2001.

"He was reported to have been in Hollywood, Florida, for a month earlier this year but his father, Ahmed, said that Waleed was alive and well and living in Morocco." - Telegraph

"Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well." - BBC 23rd September 2001.


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Ahmed Al-Nami (Flight 93)

"I'm still alive, as you can see. I was shocked to see my name mentioned by the American Justice Department. I had never even heard of Pennsylvania where the plane I was supposed to have hijacked." He had never lost his passport and found it "very worrying" that his identity appeared to have been "stolen" and published by the FBI without any checks. The FBI had said his "possible residence" was Delray Beach in Florida." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001




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Salem Al-Hazmi (Flight 77)

"Mr Al-Hamzi is 26 and had just returned to work at a petrochemical complex in the industrial eastern city of Yanbou after a holiday in Saudi Arabia when the hijackers struck. He was accused of hijacking the American Airlines Flight 77 that hit the Pentagon." - Telegraph 23rd September 2001.


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Khalid Al-Mihdhar (Flight 77)

"Saudi officials at the embassy were unable to verify the whereabouts of the fifth accused hijacker, Khalid Al-Mihdhar. However, Arab newspapers say Al-Mihdhar is still alive.

"..... there are suggestions that another suspect, Khalid Al Midhar may also be alive." - BBC 23rd September 2001

from: http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/news...73_comment.php

The confusion about the names, which was common arabic names, occured right after the attack. They also occured before the release of photos on 27th September. After that, you hear nothing.
If they were alive, they would have stepped forward on TV later to show their faces. But they didn't.

100 idiots that keep finding what they are looking for, because they are actively searching for it and really only want to affirm their own paranoid beliefs under the guise of discussions whos most common retort is "do some investigation"... "you're all just sheeple" etc.

The "confusion" about the name (you would thing the CIA and FBI would have the right facts..) only covers 2 of the 8 names listed above...

There have been 9 found alive todate..

stop reading GFY for 10 min and do some of your own research..
BBC ABC both showed at least one of the men alive and well.

But I guess that if the Saudi embassy saying someone is alive and seeing the BBC,ABC and it being over the news wires doesnt do anything for you.. then do a quick search for a video on google. As its clear that people are not searching anywhere to answer their own questions and then labeling the people that are trying to answer the questions for them.
No one can make you see the light better then yourself.. If you have questions then search for them... I know everyone here can us a putter and everyone here knows how to search google...

It's 5pm on a friday so Im not going to spend more time on this.. you have all the info a normal person needs to find all the info they need.

really? i see people who believe in conspiracy's doing the exact same thing... "finding answers" they want to believe and labeling those that question them as if there is no other side to the story.

is that fair, balanced and objective? or is that someone trying to prove something rather than taking an honest look at the evidence and accepting where it leads... no matter where it takes them?

Do you have any links to where they show him alive?

It is not easy to discuss with people who resort to name calling and insult rather than present valid arguments and evidence. It seems as if the majority of the american people have been conditioned by the fourth branch of the government aka the media to dismiss and ridicule anything as long as the trigger word conspiracy is presented. That kind of response shows clear evidence of mind control and brainwashing, according to mine and many others research.

It works much like other trigger words like freedom, 911, terrorists, september 11, that have been associated with fear and trauma to produce a certain response, in this case blind patriotism and follow-the-leader nazi attitude. They really know what the fuck they are doing, and they are very clever.

However they screwed up on some points and those are being pursued by 911 truthers right now but I guess they rely the brainwashing to do the job of taking down this movement for them, but honestly it looks like that will not happen.

I tell you this when the brown stuff hits the spinning propeller its going to be ugly, real ugly.

You are quite right it isn't easy. Please stop doing it. Thank you.

We've heard the same rhetoric for ages now.

"really? i see people who believe in conspiracy's doing the exact same thing... "finding answers" they want to believe and labeling those that question them as if there is no other side to the story.

is that fair, balanced and objective? or is that someone trying to prove something rather than taking an honest look at the evidence and accepting where it leads... no matter where it takes them?"

I have looked at and keep looking at both side of this I honestly don't think the truth will ever be truly known.. there are to many facts that point both ways... there are always 2 sides of a story... Nothing should just be taken at face value... If you find something explaining why something could not happen then search for information saying why it could happen.

I have posted some info in this thread and yes it looks one sided but really only one side is asking questions. The people that think the US Gov't did it are not asking questions...

So I will ask some - Why would the Gov't do it.
- if you think war in Iraq then why - if you think oil in Iraq then again why not say Iraq did it...

Why wouldn't the Gov't do it... They stand to lose way to much if they were ever found out.

There are many many more questions people shoud be asking on both side... But we all know this will never happen on GFY... there is no drama in people trying to find common ground or explaining there points in a open environment.

Not everyone that questions 911 drives home in a tin hat.. some people are just looking for more info.

they have stepped forward

and guess what...no one is going to do shit or care about it..because no one lets it air

So many people, including countries and media sources, do not believe in the official theory... and no one would let it air? I don't think so...

Are we not asking questions? For several years I was bombarded by the official story, I believed it and wanted the middle east leveled. When I started looking at the evidence the other side had to present, and then again looking more in dept at the evidencene of the official story, it was not hard to determine what path I was going to head.

As far as why they would do it, you need to really research the big picture. It is not about oil or money, it is about power. Absolute power over humanity. Paving the way for a world government, eliminating resistance by imposing martial law and dictatorial laws people will gladly accept in fear of terror.

Project for a New American Century, rebuilding americas defences, the bilderberg, trilateral commission, council on foreign relations, freemasons. Read.

And people wonder how the german people could accept Hitler and let him do what he did. Hello old horrible history, welcome back!

well... there you go again.... as i have said already.... the foundation of your argument (as with most foreigners) is that Americans are stupid, brainwashed and "don't know the truth" - while some jackass on the other side of the planet has it all figured out, has no agenda and gets all of his information in a pure, unbiased, fact filled, balanced and objective source.

you got us.

americans are idiots.

THAT my friend, is pure 3rd grade arrogance.

i wish i had access to the great, unbiased news the rest of the world has. its amazing that so few americans have caught on that they are totally retarded and brainwashed.

Right on Pheonix. One day these people will wake up.

...well as Masterplans go its working a treat in the Middle East and Iraq in particular.

Not exactly working out too well in the USA either given the mood of the populus towards the whole 'War on Terror' bit

"The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
J. Edgar Hoover

You are reaching conclusions on your own, I never said anything about stupid or retarded. Brainwashed and mind control does not mean stupid and ignorant, mind control works on trauma and anyone can be brainwashed and controlled. Most of the western world is caught up in a hypnotic trance, my country is no better.

One thing I can clearly see from an outer perspective is that the american media and the american government is subjecting the american people to a psychological war.

I dont get my information unbiased, fact filled, balanced and objective. I think for myself and reach my own conclusions based on the avalible information.

They dont care about the USA which is evident from 911, they need it to crash to make way for the PNAC and the NAU.

Yeah, Yeah Yeah
Now Tell You What, Its Mind Control
Mind Control,
Corruption Of Your Thoughts (Yeah), Destruction Of Your Soul
Mind Control, Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

Don't Let Them Mold Your Mind, They Want To Control Mankind
Seems Like Their Only Intention Is To Exploit The Earth,
And You Trust In Their Deceit, Your Mind Causes Your Defeat,
And So You Become An Invention To Distort This Earth

Propoganda And Lies, Is A Plague In Our Lives
How Much More Victimized, Before We Realize (Hey)

Its Mind Control, Mind Control
Corruption Of Your Thoughts (Yeah), Destruction Of Your Soul
Mind Control, Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

Ooh Grand Master, Let The People Go,
You Put Them In Total Confusion, To Downs-Troy* Their Soul
For They Practise What You Preach, So They're Always In Your Reach Hi-Tech Slavery In These Days, Its Mind Control

They'll Make It Attractive, To Get Man Destracted,
Corrupting Your (Soul)
Polluting Your (Soul)
Destroying (Your Soul, Mind Control)

Mind Control,
Corruption Of Your Thoughts, Destruction Of Your Soul
Mind Control, Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

Yeah, Yeah Yeah
Come On And, Get It Together Brother Man
What You Say?

Its Mind Control, Mind Control
Corruption Of Your Thoughts, Destruction Of Your Soul
Mind Control, Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

(The Truth Is There For Us To See)
Its Mind Control,
Corruption Of Your Thoughts, Destruction Of Your Soul
(The Truth Is There For Us To See)
Its Mind Control, Corruption Of Your Thoughts
Destruction Of Your Soul

(The Truth Is There For Us To See)
(The Truth Is There For Us To See)

Stephen Marley - Mind Control

So you don't get unbaised or balanced or objective information but you reach your own conclusions based on said tainted information...does this not mean your conclusions are inherently flawed?