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08-25-2002, 12:24 PM

I've thought about investing some of my hard earned money into PPC search engines. I would appreciate if a few of you could share some experience, search engine urls (like overture) and risks. For example I heard that the Top 10 spots get often hitbotted.

Discuss

Frank W · 08-25-2002, 12:48 PM

Overture is a bit pricey but good. They, due to their reach with newbies, is probably the best investment in PPC. There are others that target adult site surfers but that's a harder sell since these folks know how porn sites are marketed and how they operate.

My advice is to only try overture after you've fine tuned your ppc messaging by taking out spots in second tier and third tier ppc players like findwhat.com and search123.com There's a lot of these smaller guys.

Good luck!

Pornwolf · 08-25-2002, 12:53 PM

You can always practice with Googles Ad Words.

08-25-2002, 12:54 PM

Thanks Frank. Is it usually better to take top bids on keywords, or go lower ? I can imagine that lower placements bring slightly higher quality traffic.

polish_aristocrat · 08-25-2002, 02:25 PM

I can only say - don't use GoClick.com - I don't know if their traffic is good or not, but I know that for "reasonable" bids you'll get VERY small amounts of it...

Use them only if you want to spend 0.10 per click to get the same number of visitors you'd get from other PPC SE paying 0.05 per click...

FreeFastHost · 08-25-2002, 02:56 PM

I own lazyquest.com, a ppc search engine.

If you want, I can give you some free cash in an account to try it out.

The site gets around 500,000 searches/month.

49thParallel · 08-25-2002, 03:06 PM

Or try kanoodle...fairly high traffic...and lower bid prices.

Although, to be honest...although I have been able to make a good income off of everything else , I have yet to hit on a technique that even pays the bills through ppc listings.

greentea · 08-25-2002, 04:45 PM

I find the best results and broadest reach is with overture.com, yes there a bit more pricey, but well worth it.

volante · 08-25-2002, 10:47 PM

Something I found out about a year ago using traffic from Overture is that the results are much better if you DON'T have a first place listing - from a third or fourth place listing I was getting much less traffic but making more profit... still haven't figured out why.

Anyone else noticed this?

Pornwolf · 08-25-2002, 10:54 PM

That's what I have noticed from buying PPC traffic too. I think it's because surfers looking for porn sometimes click on the first thing that looks interesting on the search engine page. If you are 2nd 3rd or 4th they are clicking on your site because they pretty much agree to whatever terms you are using to weed out the non paying freeloaders.

It's cheaper too! I never bid for first anymore.

sexygoat · 08-25-2002, 11:03 PM

and don't ever use findwhat.com , 0:800 for barely legal. with the teen, porn, young girl keywords, fuck findwhat.

08-25-2002, 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by volante
Something I found out about a year ago using traffic from Overture is that the results are much better if you DON'T have a first place listing - from a third or fourth place listing I was getting much less traffic but making more profit... still haven't figured out why.

Anyone else noticed this?

That's what I figured too. People who always hit the first link will not read what is being presented to them. Others, hitting the lower links will go there cuz they know what to expect there.

Thanks for the responses ya'll, I'll look into it

GTS Mark · 08-26-2002, 12:03 AM

I plugged Amateur Pages recurring program on Google Ad Words and had pretty good results. Problem is with Ad words is finding suitable key words and having to re-do your keywords every couple of days when the editors decide they are un-suitable... A big pain in the ass.

But AP recurred well!

DH

Pornwolf · 08-26-2002, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrinkingHard
I plugged Amateur Pages recurring program on Google Ad Words and had pretty good results. Problem is with Ad words is finding suitable key words and having to re-do your keywords every couple of days when the editors decide they are un-suitable... A big pain in the ass.

But AP recurred well!

DH

You got that right! A HUGE pain in the ass. Especially when you are running multiple campaigns!

08-26-2002, 12:10 AM

How much do you dish out in average on google per click ? can imagine it's quite a bit ...

Pornwolf · 08-26-2002, 12:46 AM

Not at all. As a matter of fact I just finished updating my keywords and cpc on google. I average around 10-15¢ per click. This keeps me in the #3-#4 range. Video keywords cost a lot! I'm looking at it now... Broadband Porn $2.58 per click for the #1 spot! But you can get Britney nude for only 7¢ PC. Not that I would do that of course.

It varies. You should be allright planning on spending no more than 25¢ a click. Make sure you say exactly what you mean on the keywords or else you will be wasting money! List a price! Tell them they need the credit cards to enter! Anything to keep the curious freeloading fuckers from clicking!

BJ · 08-26-2002, 12:48 AM

you can pay alot per click.... http://www.overture.com/d/USm/search...words=ghr%2015

08-26-2002, 01:08 AM

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Originally posted by PureMeds
you can pay alot per click.... http://www.overture.com/d/USm/search...words=ghr%2015

$6 for a fucking hit ?

BJ · 08-26-2002, 01:16 AM

auto-bid...

cafeaulait · 08-26-2002, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Not at all. As a matter of fact I just finished updating my keywords and cpc on google. I average around 10-15¢ per click. This keeps me in the #3-#4 range. Video keywords cost a lot! I'm looking at it now... Broadband Porn $2.58 per click for the #1 spot! But you can get Britney nude for only 7¢ PC. Not that I would do that of course.

It varies. You should be allright planning on spending no more than 25¢ a click. Make sure you say exactly what you mean on the keywords or else you will be wasting money! List a price! Tell them they need the credit cards to enter! Anything to keep the curious freeloading fuckers from clicking!

Dude? What are you talking about? I own Broadband Porn #1 and it ain't anywhere near $2.58 per click! Where did you see that?

BJ · 08-26-2002, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Dude? What are you talking about? I own Broadband Porn #1 and it ain't anywhere near $2.58 per click! Where did you see that?

Bacon double cheeseburger?

Dildozer · 08-26-2002, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Not at all. As a matter of fact I just finished updating my keywords and cpc on google. I average around 10-15¢ per click. This keeps me in the #3-#4 range. Video keywords cost a lot! I'm looking at it now... Broadband Porn $2.58 per click for the #1 spot! But you can get Britney nude for only 7¢ PC. Not that I would do that of course.

It varies. You should be allright planning on spending no more than 25¢ a click. Make sure you say exactly what you mean on the keywords or else you will be wasting money! List a price! Tell them they need the credit cards to enter! Anything to keep the curious freeloading fuckers from clicking!

u gotta be careful though. If you average lower than 0.5% clickthru they screw up your advertising and waste your time

Frank W · 08-27-2002, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Equinox
Thanks Frank. Is it usually better to take top bids on keywords, or go lower ? I can imagine that lower placements bring slightly higher quality traffic.

Lower listing but HIGHLY TARGETED works the best. Top Bids burn a lot of cash but if worded incorrectly loses money. What works for me is to 1) be very very detailed in your description as to what makes your site different 2) post the price in the title and description to make it clear that there is money involved. If there is no money, describe if email is needed or credit card verification process.

This has the effect of weeding out mistaken clicks. Keep playing around with the wording until you get the click through and conversion rate you're comfortable with.

08-25-2002, 12:48 PM	#2
Frank W Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: California Posts: 889	Overture is a bit pricey but good. They, due to their reach with newbies, is probably the best investment in PPC. There are others that target adult site surfers but that's a harder sell since these folks know how porn sites are marketed and how they operate. My advice is to only try overture after you've fine tuned your ppc messaging by taking out spots in second tier and third tier ppc players like findwhat.com and search123.com There's a lot of these smaller guys. Good luck! __________________ "If you hate a person, you hate something in him that is part of yourself. What isn't part of ourselves doesn't disturb us." -- Herman Hesse

08-25-2002, 02:25 PM	#5
polish_aristocrat Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 40,377	I can only say - don't use GoClick.com - I don't know if their traffic is good or not, but I know that for "reasonable" bids you'll get VERY small amounts of it... Use them only if you want to spend 0.10 per click to get the same number of visitors you'd get from other PPC SE paying 0.05 per click... __________________ I don't use ICQ anymore.

08-25-2002, 04:45 PM	#8
greentea Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Florida Posts: 6,580	I find the best results and broadest reach is with overture.com, yes there a bit more pricey, but well worth it. __________________ blunts

08-25-2002, 12:24 PM	#1
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	PPC Search Engines I've thought about investing some of my hard earned money into PPC search engines. I would appreciate if a few of you could share some experience, search engine urls (like overture) and risks. For example I heard that the Top 10 spots get often hitbotted. Discuss Last edited by X37375787; 08-25-2002 at 12:38 PM..

08-25-2002, 12:53 PM	#3
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	You can always practice with Googles Ad Words.

08-25-2002, 12:54 PM	#4
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	Thanks Frank. Is it usually better to take top bids on keywords, or go lower ? I can imagine that lower placements bring slightly higher quality traffic.

08-25-2002, 02:56 PM	#6
FreeFastHost Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,588	I own lazyquest.com, a ppc search engine. If you want, I can give you some free cash in an account to try it out. The site gets around 500,000 searches/month.

08-25-2002, 03:06 PM	#7
49thParallel So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,197	Or try kanoodle...fairly high traffic...and lower bid prices. Although, to be honest...although I have been able to make a good income off of everything else , I have yet to hit on a technique that even pays the bills through ppc listings.

08-25-2002, 10:47 PM	#9
volante Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LAX Immigration Posts: 2,940	Something I found out about a year ago using traffic from Overture is that the results are much better if you DON'T have a first place listing - from a third or fourth place listing I was getting much less traffic but making more profit... still haven't figured out why. Anyone else noticed this?

08-25-2002, 10:54 PM	#10
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	That's what I have noticed from buying PPC traffic too. I think it's because surfers looking for porn sometimes click on the first thing that looks interesting on the search engine page. If you are 2nd 3rd or 4th they are clicking on your site because they pretty much agree to whatever terms you are using to weed out the non paying freeloaders. It's cheaper too! I never bid for first anymore.

08-25-2002, 11:03 PM	#11
sexygoat So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 357	and don't ever use findwhat.com , 0:800 for barely legal. with the teen, porn, young girl keywords, fuck findwhat.

08-26-2002, 12:03 AM	#13
GTS Mark Vrume Mark Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 20,912	I plugged Amateur Pages recurring program on Google Ad Words and had pretty good results. Problem is with Ad words is finding suitable key words and having to re-do your keywords every couple of days when the editors decide they are un-suitable... A big pain in the ass. But AP recurred well! DH

08-26-2002, 12:10 AM	#15
X37375787 Guest Posts: n/a	How much do you dish out in average on google per click ? can imagine it's quite a bit ...

08-26-2002, 12:46 AM	#16
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Not at all. As a matter of fact I just finished updating my keywords and cpc on google. I average around 10-15¢ per click. This keeps me in the #3-#4 range. Video keywords cost a lot! I'm looking at it now... Broadband Porn $2.58 per click for the #1 spot! But you can get Britney nude for only 7¢ PC. Not that I would do that of course. It varies. You should be allright planning on spending no more than 25¢ a click. Make sure you say exactly what you mean on the keywords or else you will be wasting money! List a price! Tell them they need the credit cards to enter! Anything to keep the curious freeloading fuckers from clicking!

08-26-2002, 12:48 AM	#17
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	you can pay alot per click.... http://www.overture.com/d/USm/search...words=ghr%2015

08-26-2002, 01:16 AM	#19
BJ Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: asia Posts: 5,590	auto-bid...