I want it - Grant Millar

This guy has cheated a dozen of webmasters in the last year.
Selling every thing imaginable.

After what i have heard he has chated people for more then 10 k+ all together !

This is his and his slutty wife's personal data

Millar, Grant and Millar, Shirley
[email protected]

Winnipeg, Manitoba R3C 5L2
CA
2042616909

Hosted with
Name Server: NS1.SINHOST.COM
Name Server: NS2.SINHOST.COM

He runs www.topdoginternet.com as his base of cheating operations. Its hosted at sinhost, which really should shut this guy's pages down.

If someone here want to team up on a lawyer/ some other means of getting the $ back let me know on ICQ : 168031505

Never trust this guy , you will get burned !!!!

Amputate Your Head

had a gallery declined or something today?

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KinkyCoon

he ripped me off for $250 2 weeks ago. Total piece of shit he is.

I want it - Grant Millar

No but i have been cheated for alot of money

Rocky

what makes his wife slutty?

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I want it - Grant Millar

What makes you ask ?

Anyone married to that slimebag has to be a out of her mind

Amputate Your Head

probly cuz you said she was. So what makes her slutty? Got some pics?

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media

Haha, I know of someone this dude ripped off..

I think this guy is heading right down the shitter fast if he keeps it up.. not very good business practices.. deliver what you say your going to deliver!

Media

Pornwolf

I'd like to see pics too.

Rocky

just curious

since she's only about 400km away from me i thought if i had the chance i might just pop in and bang her today

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I want it - Grant Millar

Thanks for bumping this post. Please do again.

Everyone should read this thread

I want it - Grant Millar

Yes this guy has fucked over lots of guys, some small amounts some big. Its time he pays for this

SetTheWorldonFire

I want it - Grant Millar is right. check this out and tell me who ripped who?

http://www.topdoginternet.com/

http://www.vulcan.com/

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Amputate Your Head

now there is a blatant ripoff. Much better substance than the usual crying seen around here.....

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I want it - Grant Millar

I assure you, this is not bullshit.

He is a big time scammer, and he frequently contacts people from this board.

Watch out for :
Millar, Grant and Millar, Shirley
[email protected] / www.topdoginternet.com

Winnipeg, Manitoba R3C 5L2
CA
2042616909

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Rocky

i can't get to the house if i don't have a street name and house number

maybe i should just phone ahead first

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media

I hear the dude is also known as Dice,


Dunno if he comes around here often..

Hey Amp.. hows it going =)

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Alex From San Diego

Thanks for this thread as I was about to purchase some traffic from this guy.

hyper

haha.. what a rip off..

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Scam scam scams.....

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heheh

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I think Dice's lil scams are over and done.. hahaha.. someone should set fire to his anus now!

Media

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X37375787

This definitely shows that there are only two countries where cheaters come from. CCCP and Canada

Brad Mitchell

The same people posting in here are also threatening that "other people" will spoof Child Pornography spams and make them look as if they're coming from Grant's site on my network.

Nice way to put an innocent host in the middle guys. If it happens, you read it here first.

Want me to cancel him as a hosting client? Show me a paper trail or somehow substantiate the fraud. When I confronted my hosting client he seemed genuinely interested in working things out with any disgruntled parties... so I sent an ICQ message back to the people who were complaining that he never answers their ICQs or phone calls guaranteeing them that they could speak with him.

It seems all they wanted to do was complain because when I handed them the opportunity on a silver platter to speak with Grant they NEVER even returned my ICQ messages or contacted Grant (to my knowledge). If you wanted him cancelled as a hosting client you disqualified yourself when I presented an opportunity for mediation and resolution and you dissapeared.

As I've said all along, I don't want any cheaters on my network. Life is too short and there's enough hosting clients out there. However, I can't just respond to idle threats - no matter how nasty - I need something more so that this can at least be judicious if I'm going to cancel an account.

I'm easy to find on ICQ and I can also be reached US/Canada Toll Free anytime. 1-866-SINEMPIRE

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farbie

A very reasonable way to respond to this Brad.

farbie

I want it - Grant Millar

Hard to prove without contract.

What about the more obvious rippoff ?

http://www.topdoginternet.com/

http://www.vulcan.com/

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KinkyCoon

And what exactly is the point of trying to reason with someone that wont reason with you at all? I called him he lied, i wrote him emails, he didnt respond, I icq'd him, he laughed at me. I called his host, you.and he lied to you apparently cause he isnt responding to my icq's or the others he has ripped off. You sit here and say you left the ball in our court and that grant is ready and willing to talk this through and fix? then why the fuck isnt he answering phonecalls? answering icq's? answering emails? do YOU think it is possible BRAD, that Grant is blowing smoke up your ass passifying you for the time being hoping this goes away. Its pretty easy for me to sit hear and say one thing to you, then go behind your back and do the exact opposite, and that is exactly what grant is doing to you.You are defending a piece of shit. He has obviously ripped off people, and stole some design etc..what more do you want brad? kill the account.

Brad Mitchell

I know it is hard to prove without a contract... but I'm just looking for something substantive that a reasonable person would understand and agree to. If nobody that was allegedly 'taken' has a contract then the whole group of you have learned a good lesson. I myself have been taken in the past and admittedly I've done business without contracts and had that come back to bite me in the butt. When I say taken, I mean I've really been screwed... several times, many tens of thousands of dollars.

Perhaps someone has ICQ transcripts since everything is logged. And what about Grant saying to me that he would speak with anyone upset in an effort to resolve the situation? If there are issues then perhaps everyone needs to come back to the table and resolve them if that is possible. If you all are saying he never delivered then I would assume delivery would fix the situation. I am wondering if he delivered but somehow the problem people are having is that they weren't able to make money with the traffic.

I've learned a lot of lessons.. including that which seems to good to be true usually is. Nothing has ever come easy to me. Patience is important and I am constantly reminded that there is always another deal in case something seems suspicious or unreasonable. Regardless of the outcome of this particular situation there is obviously a lot that everyone has learned from their experience. Whatever you do don't repeat the same mistake twice. If in fact everyone has been scammed out of thousands I'm really sorry for you guys.

If the designer of the Vulcan site wants to contact me and substantiate that is his design and that he never did business with Grant (and possibly re-skinned it for him) then I'll contact him and have it taken down or changed. Satisfactory?

I'm not green and I need a bit more to go on. However unlikely there just might be another side to this story. I've bought designs from artists before at a steep discount just so I could use them as a shell for a site. So, the artist can contact me personally and I'll make sure that their situation get's resolved properly. On the traffic side of things if we're going to be airing this in a public forum perhaps sharing some more specific details would be appropriate.


I believe hosts have a responsibility to be judicious in making decisions that affect their client's livelihood. I'm not a court of law and I don't need the kind of evidence that one might require... but I do need something compelling to make a decision with. It's only fair - if you were my hosting client you would sure as hell hope that I handle things fairly if you had someone pointing the finger at you.

I'm about to go have dinner with my wife over at Grandma's house.. lol.. so if this thread grows I won't be able to come back to it until tonight. I never would have joined the thread except an earlier post mentioned SinHost and suggested I should have cancelled the client. I can't not respond to that.

Mean people suck. Dishonest people suck. I have thieves and bullies, everyone knows that, so let's get this sorted out.

Brad

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archer

most excellent replies Brad.... i'm impressed with both the tone and content...

it's tough to be in the middle of this sort of shit....especially when everyone is angry and you're close by....
that 's why a lot of hosting companies usually stay way away from it....

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Brad Mitchell

First: I see a lot of new people posting here on GFY with no profile and nothing substantiating who they are. Everybody knows who I am and now that you've pointed the finger at Grant's site everybody knows who he is too.

Second: Show me your ICQ transcripts. I'm not complaining but neither you or the other party followed up with me to reiterate that you were still being ignored. The other guy that you put in touch with me on ICQ talked with me quite a bit... which was cool... then when I finally got ahold of Grant he said he wanted to talk to him. Well, I ICQ'd this guy and never once heard back.

Third: If he's a piece of shit let's out him properly here on the board. I'm not defending him, I'm being impartial until I have something more substantial to go on.

Fourth: I don't see anyone here posting details about their transactions. What was everyone buying? Exit traffic? Email addresses to spam? Blind link traffic? If you want to out him properly in a forum to get a resolution you need to be more specific.

Fifth: what do you all want? If I take his account down he'll simply move somewhere else. Are you all saying you want your money back or if you get delivery of 'whatever' is the issue dropped?

Show me that he's done something wrong and I'll boot him off my network. Let's see the transcripts, emails - publicly or privately. Also, who are you all and what sites do you run? It's easy to be anonymous and fling shit.

Lastly, what the fuck kind of credibility and benefit of the doubt am I supposed to give to someone that is threatening a spoofed CP spam campaign trying to indict my hosting network?

Brad

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KinkyCoon

i have NO problems with brad what so ever, the topic of this thread is about grant millar and the piece of shit he is. I do disagree with brad on the fact that grant has been caught stealing and has atleast 4 complaints of getting ripped off by grant so far from other people and yet he seems to still be defended. Its funny cause i remember when ccbill shut off pimpdog for talking shit to kimmykim. LOL now that is justifiable no?haha. this is the same shit just turned around if you think about it.

KinkyCoon

Well i was not the one to come on here telling everyone he hosted with you. I kept my mouth shut until i saw this thread. and i never once threatend CP spoofing spam here either. I DID however mention to you over the telephone to not be surprised if it does happen since he appears to have screwd enough people to piss someone off.CP was never mentioned as i recall. I told you directly that i only got ripped for 250 and i learned my lesson, others however got ripped for more and are willing todo some more damaging things. Dont put words in my mouth brad, that isnt fair.
peace

I want it - Grant Millar

Its pretty obvious that Grant Millar is a scammer.

You ask what he has done ?

For example promised traffic, and never sent anything. Always a lame excuse. Network down or i have sent it already , check your stats. He is a smooth talker.

He has sold adult email lists that has proven to be all bogus.

He has copied design.

No problem, Sinhost, i understand your point of view, you have to do as you feel is best, shut him down or not, this thread is a warning to everyone, and if you read above, many have testified.

But Grant Millar is a smooth talker, ha can talk anyone around

This thread has already saved one of being tricked by Grant Millar, i hope more will read it and remember this name

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Kimmykim

Interesting. I see a couple of people in this thread whining anonymously about something they haven't shown proof of.

And on the other hand I talk to Grant every few days and he's never scammed me or attempted to cheat us, so I don't know him as a cheater.

Am I saying he's not? No. Am I saying I'd have to see proof instead of reading this UTTER BULLSHIT in order to know it.

Of course I'd feel the same about anyone I had not seen cheating. Either go by your own name so that YOUR credibility is proven, or put up irrefutable proof.

SetTheWorldonFire

PROOF OF DESIGN RIP.

A well known mainstream design studio developed http://www.vulcan.com. The well known 2advanced Studios , has too many ppl ripping his stuff. Too much to handle. Check them out for yourself. They have top notch work. I'm sorry, but I don't think any designer would approve anything like this.

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SR

what a fucker
if he rips off me I'll break his arms

Plus that design is 100 copied
he didn't even rename the images.

Oh well vulcan and 2adavanced will find out.

ServerGenius

I almost got scammed by this guy too.....luckily I checked him
before sending him 7.5k USD for traffic....

I have his bank info....if anyone is interested...let me know.

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KinkyCoon

you are truely unbelieveable. You are defending a guy that everyone has shown PROOF that he stole some design and are all in agreement he sold bad lists. what more do you want? How do you PROVE you bought a bad double optin list??

lets say I said that shawinternet was a total scam and 4 people backed me up on it and then we posted a link to shawinternet and a link to some design company that has the exact same design and is well known in the biz and is clearly the designer of the same design on shawinternet(hypathetical ofcoarse) what would you say to that kimmykim? still want more proof?It is a poor example i know, but im sure you are a smart enough to see where im going with it...

KinkyCoon

BTW, the people using fake names i am sure because they dont want to be associated with buying email lists since 'spam' is so highly unethical yet everyone deos it. Its like an unspoken rule around here, we all spam, but dont want to admit it.

SR

Who tells you stories that everybody is spamming?
Don't talk bullshit

I dunno what this guy was selling but if it was a list of 30,000,000 double opt-in e-mail addys I really don't feel sorry if you got a crap list since a list of 30,000,000 double opt-in addys doesn't excist.

quiet

put the crack pipe down. "we all spam" - what a load of shit.

KinkyCoon

no.
more like 20k double optins.
and i could care less if you feel bad for me or not, that isnt what this thread is about. It is a warning to watch out for a guy named 'dice' on icq Grant Millar.

I want it - Grant Millar

I did not buy any lists from Grant Millar, but trafic, which i never recieved.

But yes i have heard he sells fake lists too, which just proves that everything that Grant Millar deals with is a big scam.

I want to stay anonymous for personal reasons. I have tried to get my money back before but to no avail, now i just want to make sure noone else is fucked over by this guy.

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KinkyCoon

normally i would argue and argue about this lame shit, but there really is no need. you are turning a simple thread about a guy that has been proven to be a fraud into a spam flame contest.
I persoanlly have bought and sold lists on this board with atleast 12 people from gfy that have well over 1000 posts(not that it matters) so your right. 'we all spam' is an inaccurate statement.
'alot of us spam' is more accurate.

quiet

what is there to argue about? you just finished saying i was correct. i'm not flaming anything, i just don't like to be grouped in with a bullshit statement.

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KinkyCoon

your right. I was making a general statement about the people here at gfy, sorry if you took offense.

You cant ignore the fact that alot of shady shit goes on behind the sceens here by popular people and isnt discovered until later down the road. can i prove this? nope. But there have been many many situations here on this board where exactly this has happend, and we all know history repeats itself eventually.
Do i spam? sure i do, among other things. am I an alter ego? yep.
why? Cause I am honest person that does alot of business with people here, traffic trades, sponsorships etc.. And i choose to keep the unspoken evil seperate from the other 'legit' things i do.

quiet

absolutely.
interesting...

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Dice TGP

LOL, what a joke.

(KinkyCoon) and (I want it - Grant Millar) are the same person, everyone realizes that. This asshole bought an e-mail list from me about a week ago. I sold it to someone else at the same price, and didn't get a complaint. I guess he didn't do well with it, so he starts threating me. First he says he's going to send a couple guys too my house. That's fine, anyone stupid enough to do that would desirve what would happen to them. Then he threatings to send out a bulk CP mailing, making it look like it's comming from me. He also said someone about being the guy who did this to Candid Clicks, but he could have just been talking shit.

Thank you for being impatial Brad, since you've talked to this guy I know you realize what a lunatic he is.

KimmyKim, this is GFY, you actually expect that something has to be true before everyone starts believing it?

If anyone has a problem with my besides this asshole spammer (candicecam.com), talk to me on icq- 137453446. However we all know no one will be contacting me.

Brad Mitchell

The design issue is solved, it's offline. Any follow-up on that are the business of 2advanced and Grant.

If you have something of substance to share privately or publicly (ICQ transcript, E-mails) that indicts him for bad business ethics or fraud I'll review it. Even an ICQ transcript that shows repeated unsuccessful attempts to contact him would be something.

I'll end on this note:

You brought it to both my attention and Grant's attention that there was the threat of someone sending a spoofed email (made to look like it initiated from Grant's site on my network) which would contain real CP and cause trouble for myself and his site.

Dude, check yourself. That's beyond being wrong. Whether this was your idea or truly somebody else's idea that's really fucked up. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that somebody else suggested it... you should really ask yourself exactly what hoops you're jumping through to make a living if you are consorting with those types of people.

Ciao,

Brad

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Dice TGP

Rocky, I'll look forward to your visit. I hope you're armed, 'cause I sure as hell will be. I'm not a violent person at all, but anyone who shows up at my house because of this, especially when my familly is there, gets shot. :-)

Grant Millar

KinkyCoon

as a matter of fact i am not the guy that started this thread. and yes you ripped me off and him, and a few other people.
but lets put that aside for a second. Why dont you explain the stolen design on your website, we can all PROVE that its not yours, so lets see what you have to say about it......