no.
more like 20k double optins.
and i could care less if you feel bad for me or not, that isnt what this thread is about. It is a warning to watch out for a guy named 'dice' on icq Grant Millar.

I did not buy any lists from Grant Millar, but trafic, which i never recieved.

But yes i have heard he sells fake lists too, which just proves that everything that Grant Millar deals with is a big scam.

I want to stay anonymous for personal reasons. I have tried to get my money back before but to no avail, now i just want to make sure noone else is fucked over by this guy.

normally i would argue and argue about this lame shit, but there really is no need. you are turning a simple thread about a guy that has been proven to be a fraud into a spam flame contest.
I persoanlly have bought and sold lists on this board with atleast 12 people from gfy that have well over 1000 posts(not that it matters) so your right. 'we all spam' is an inaccurate statement.
'alot of us spam' is more accurate.

what is there to argue about? you just finished saying i was correct. i'm not flaming anything, i just don't like to be grouped in with a bullshit statement.

your right. I was making a general statement about the people here at gfy, sorry if you took offense.

You cant ignore the fact that alot of shady shit goes on behind the sceens here by popular people and isnt discovered until later down the road. can i prove this? nope. But there have been many many situations here on this board where exactly this has happend, and we all know history repeats itself eventually.
Do i spam? sure i do, among other things. am I an alter ego? yep.
why? Cause I am honest person that does alot of business with people here, traffic trades, sponsorships etc.. And i choose to keep the unspoken evil seperate from the other 'legit' things i do.

absolutely.
interesting...

LOL, what a joke.

(KinkyCoon) and (I want it - Grant Millar) are the same person, everyone realizes that. This asshole bought an e-mail list from me about a week ago. I sold it to someone else at the same price, and didn't get a complaint. I guess he didn't do well with it, so he starts threating me. First he says he's going to send a couple guys too my house. That's fine, anyone stupid enough to do that would desirve what would happen to them. Then he threatings to send out a bulk CP mailing, making it look like it's comming from me. He also said someone about being the guy who did this to Candid Clicks, but he could have just been talking shit.

Thank you for being impatial Brad, since you've talked to this guy I know you realize what a lunatic he is.

KimmyKim, this is GFY, you actually expect that something has to be true before everyone starts believing it?

If anyone has a problem with my besides this asshole spammer (candicecam.com), talk to me on icq- 137453446. However we all know no one will be contacting me.

The design issue is solved, it's offline. Any follow-up on that are the business of 2advanced and Grant.

If you have something of substance to share privately or publicly (ICQ transcript, E-mails) that indicts him for bad business ethics or fraud I'll review it. Even an ICQ transcript that shows repeated unsuccessful attempts to contact him would be something.

I'll end on this note:

You brought it to both my attention and Grant's attention that there was the threat of someone sending a spoofed email (made to look like it initiated from Grant's site on my network) which would contain real CP and cause trouble for myself and his site.

Dude, check yourself. That's beyond being wrong. Whether this was your idea or truly somebody else's idea that's really fucked up. Giving you the benefit of the doubt that somebody else suggested it... you should really ask yourself exactly what hoops you're jumping through to make a living if you are consorting with those types of people.

Ciao,

Brad

Rocky, I'll look forward to your visit. I hope you're armed, 'cause I sure as hell will be. I'm not a violent person at all, but anyone who shows up at my house because of this, especially when my familly is there, gets shot. :-)

Grant Millar

as a matter of fact i am not the guy that started this thread. and yes you ripped me off and him, and a few other people.
but lets put that aside for a second. Why dont you explain the stolen design on your website, we can all PROVE that its not yours, so lets see what you have to say about it......

The site was designed for me, I have records to prove that. I have contacted 2advanced.com, and until they get back to me, the website will stay down.

I really find it funny how DynaSpin says I "tried to rip him off". LOL, can you say "liable". No one here has any serious complaint against me, but never the less people like Alex and I'm sure others will never do business with me again.

Business GFY style, I guess.

It's a red flag thing. In this industry, it can be hard to know who to trust. That's just the way it is. So, you have now, for some of us, been put just above proven cheaters, but below people who have no red flags.

We don't know if you did it or not, but most people will be more likely to work with someone they have heard no negative rumours about. If it is all baseless, then it's a shame.

Then again, very little is *totally* baseless. There are three sides to every issue... Party A's version, Party B's version, and the truth.

Brad: when i spoke to you, we talked for a bit and we ended up where you wanted me to have the 2 people that got fucked by this piece of shit to contact you via icq or phone. I told them and only 1 wanted to try and work it out and you spoke to him. the other guy is going todo what ever he decides. I gave you fair warning trying to do you a favor by letting you know that you are hosting a thief and a piece of shit scammer. There are 4 people on this thread with valid complaints about this idiot. But it is apparant you dont plan on removing him from your servers. fine.

Dice: you are a con artist and your blaming "GFY style' when this shit is your own fault. Look at the ip addresses of the people who posted and when they registered. they are different people. If i honestly paid for a design from a designer, i dont give a fuck what the host told me todo, i would leave it up and make HIM verify that it was infact acquired legally, other wise why in the hell would you remove your 'stolen design' from the host until you can prove you bought it? You are a very smooth talker and I will persoanlly make sure you are delt with.


Lets think about this for a second. Why on earth would i make up shit to slam some idiot over 250 bucks unless it was actually true? What comes around goes around Grant Millar

I don't know why you'd do this, you obviously have too much time on your hands. Why did you send out child porn spam e-mails and get Candid Clicks shut down? Did they "rip you off" too? What a fucking joke.

Why would Brad shut down my server? Because you say I own you $250? LOL

4 people with valid complaints huh, that's bull shit. No one has contacted me about them, besides you with your shit, big fucking suprise.

Anyone notice that all the "complaints" are comming from people with under 30 posts? Different ips? Big fucking deal. Yeah, those are real people with geniune compaints.

Anyone who thinks they have proff of me doing anything wrong, send it over to Brad and myself.

I'm done reading this posts and this board. This is just way too much shit for me to take.

Like I said anyone who thinks they have a problem with me talk to me on icq. Not you candidcam.com, I'm tired of your BS.

did he actually admit to that?

wtf do i have todo with candid clicks? I have never even used their program. When i told you i wanted my money back you told me to fuck myself.
my reply to that was something to the effect of :'fuck me? lets see what happens when your server gets shut down for spam like candid clicks did' maybe not word for word but close enough to get the idea. has nothing todo with candid clicks and myself.
and yes i do know of someone who is ready to flame your ass bad cause you fucked him out of $2k. If he does it or not, that is upto him, but if i got fucked out of $2k, you better believe im going after your server, your family, your dog, your shoes, your dead grandmother. You only ripped me for 250 so i can deal with it, but $2k is a felony and enough to burn you good legally or illegally. People get shot for 20 bucks, what do you think they are gonna do for $2k? Get off GFY and stay off you scamming con artist. cya bye.

He implied it, but I wouldn't be supprised if he was just trying to scare me. He did threaten to do the same thing to me.

no i did not, i told him to be prepaird for something similar to happen to him like what happend to candid. it was a comparison and in the heat of the moment. doesnt mean it was going to be done.
Was it shitty? sure it was, but i wanted my money back. Doesnt mean i would even consider doing it. But yeah, there are a couple people pretty pissed off enough to actually do something like that, which has nothing todo with me.

I thought you were leaving.

Wow Dice, 4 people pissed off at you already. So how many people have you ripped of... really...
You'Re coming up pretty aggressive about this whole situation. Makes you sound like you got something to hide.

Fuck, I do want to walk away, I do, but this is too fucked up.


Too aggressive, Dildozer? What are you smoking??? I sold this guy an e-mail list, and he says it was a crappy list. Se has so far threatened to have people come to my home and attack me (that one I'm not concerned about), he has tried to get my server shut down, he has threatened to do the CP spam thing, he has posted at 3-4 people here (or got his friends to post) to try to make me look like a scam artist, ok I think that's all. I'm not aggressive at all, in fact I'm very laid back, but this whole situation is a huge waste of my time.

Also, there are not 4 complaints about me.

I think you have done enough damage to yourself already, and i know for a fact that people will think twice before dealing with you. That IS what this thread is about, warning people about how you do business. People are more than welcome to do deals with you, but atleast they will think twice. Lets not forget about the stolen design you allegedly paid for.I am going to contact the people you stole it from and see what i can dig up. If i find that it was infact purchased for and they agree you are the rightful owner, then i will have no problem admitting it here, but my better judgement tells me you stole the shit and deleted once brad told your sorry ass to. Time for a redesign eh Grant? lol

.

Nice to 'see' you Dice. Long time.

I want my money back, and i will use every fucking means to get it back, you damn smooth talker ! Your are really pissing me of the way you act innocent and all !

You are going down

Hm, making myself look bad. What can i actually do ?

I cant meet at your house because you say you will shoot me, its no use to call you or harass you at ICQ cause you dont care anyway. It's no use to complain to your host, because you talk them around as you do with everyone.

Just luck that someone recognized your design and got some prrof that you are a shady fucker.

Well, the least thing i can do is to make sure this thread is seen by 1000+ viewers, so noone will do business with you.

And if they still do they know where to come and post after they got burned

obviously the concept of sarcasm has eluded you

Sue me.

DynaMite :321GFY

bump :321GFY

Any news?

If this guy is so innocent as some people here say he is then why won't he come here to devend himself?

The accusers in this thread are in the wrong by threatening to harm the defendant's business and family. All this thread showed is that you guys are capable of making threats.

Let justice run its course, contact a lawyer.

This fucking guy riped me off too....

said he could deliver 300k hits... a day..

didn't deliver shit till I told him I was gonna come pay him a visit if I didn't see the traffic I pre paid for via western union. Then he sends like 30k a day RAW and all shit traffic.

DO NOT TRUST THIS GUY...

he goes by the handle of DICE also

wish I had read this post 3 weeks ago..

This thread is 2 days old.

Also, i paid via western union aswell:(

'The accusers in this thread are in the wrong by threatening to harm the defendant's business and family. All this thread showed is that you guys are capable of making threats.

Let justice run its course, contact a lawyer.'
stfu.

SR, I did defend myself.


Trin, did you get your traffic? Yes, you did, then how did I rip you off??? The reason it took so long is that half the people I buy traffic from stopped sending it after they saw you advertising your dialer as free.

Rocky, you're supprised that I take it seriously when people threaten to come to my house and attack me? GFY

WTF!

Uhh, Dice and Mr Nice Guy are the same person?

ahaha

heh

oh the dangers of multiple nicks.