DOCTOR 30

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273875,00.html

Another Michael Moore movie!

This time about the health care system is getting rave reviews at the Cannes Film Festival.

BIGTYMER

Good! Our health system is fucked!

BVF

can't wait til it comes out..I'll be watching

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Fidel Castro's doctor is from Spain.

DOCTOR 30

The movie has a scene where Moore took Americans to Cuba for cheap but professional treatment. That sure pissed off the U.S. Government. How dare he treat people professionally and affordably against U.S. policy!

How dare he!

nation-x

There is another thread about this movie... it's funny you posted a fox news link which has about the only bad review (and rather elitest really).

It's funny to me now that alot of the dumb motherfuckers that talked shit about Farenheit 9/11 are now saying the same things he said in the movie... Just goes to show you how well the propoganda machine was working and how one person with resources can make an impact.

fetishblog

Fuck Michael Moore.

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nation-x

That is an intelligent response... You remind of a movie I watched not too long ago... Idiocracy.

"You shits all fucked up and you talk like a faggot"

Fap

You like Micheal Moore? 70% of the stuff he says is way fabricated and the rest is lies..

Do the research see how much of Fahrenheit 911 was fabricated/bullshit

Phoenix

why dont you do your own research..instead of relying on people with agendas to give you your input

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Michael Moore is just a fat fuck who puts the exact same disinformation tactics to use as the people he stands against. And what does he do in the end? PROFITS FROM IT! Which doesn't put him too far off from those he stwands against inmy opinion. All his videos are is propaganda from the other end of the spectrum. People are fed up with the system, and he's made a healthy business out of exploiting it. He's found a market, and fed to it exactly what it wants to hear. I guess if we're going to be fed shit day in and day out from one opposing force, it's only fair to be fed full of shit from the other. But I still don't hold a whole lot respect for Michael Moore myself...

Fap

Oh i did i have written 2 reports about Micheal Moore and his bullshittery

fuzebox

Rightttttt, and Michael Moore movies are nothing like that.

SmokeyTheBear

i have liked his movies , and it is funny to see the propoganda turned backwards on people , but in all reality he is using the same sort of propoganda so it makes his message useless.

i think being on the internet and knowing the details of the things he reports on helps to expose him for what he is.

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RawAlex

Best indication that the world is ending, he got a good review on foxnews.

The end is near.

Fap

Didnt he always get good reviews though?

jayeff

Put rather more acceptably than a couple of remarks in today's two threads, but still basically saying the same both wrong and irrelevant thing.

Dave Kopel's site claims to debunk some of Moore's facts. Other sites debunk Dave Kopel and are in turn debunked, etc. Around and around we go. Somewhere in all that lot are the real facts, but if we had a way to be sure we had identified the real facts correctly, there would still be as many shades of opinion as now. Opinion may be influenced by facts, but it is not determined by them.

Perspective is the primary determinant of opinion. Mine relating to foreign policy is that if you stomp on someone enough to hurt, but not enough to destroy, one day that action will come back to haunt you. You likely cannot destroy a nation, tribe or whatever, along with everyone who is vested in them, so from my perspective any interventionist foreign policy is going to bite back one day.

Thus I read about the past 80 years of US foreign policy in the Middle East and see 9-11 as an inevitable result. I see what we have done since as almost the exact opposite of what was needed and therefore anticipate further acts of violence. But someone else, reading from the perspective that economic growth for the US must be protected at all costs, will read the exact same history and believe the policy was sound. Even if such a person agrees that 9-11 was a result of that policy (and in order to defend it, he/she is unlikely to make such an admission), he is likely to argue for an aggressive response, much like what was offered. Same facts, two polar opinions.

The nature of debate is that disagreeing sides use convenient and partial facts to present their own points of view. Distorted surely, but it is not the job of either side to present the other side's argument and in the end, those following the debate will not be persuaded by the facts anyway. Most will accept the argument which sits most comfortably with their own preconceptions. Just a few might be swayed if one argument is made with particular passion or if they especially like or dislike the personality of one of the debaters.

I don't know if Moore's movies have any value. Heaven knows that if democracy is to mean anything, something needs to jolt a lot of people out of their ignorance and lethargy. But I doubt many of them were in his audiences. Most who were likely went to validate their existing point of view, or so they could put Michael Moore down after. I seriously doubt that many have switched sides.

KingK7

Moore is so fucking annoying... While alot of his stuff probably makes sense, I can not sit through a whole movie watching that turd.

nation-x

As usual, you shine through the muck of ignorance. It's funny that they won't let Ron Paul attend anymore republican presidential debates for making this very point about interventionist foreign policy. My previous statement stands... the rest of this blather is so much like the movie Idiocracy it amazes me.

BigCashCrew

Michael Moore is an idiot. I wish he would have a heart attack and die.

c-lo

As in most scenarios, 2 extremes will be presented. You must sift through to find the middle truth.

In other news, Idiocracy was a horrible paradox that fell victim to the problem it addressed.

later
c-lo

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ayne468

He definately doesn't care who he offends...good on him

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BigCashCrew

he doesn't care who he offends but he's a fucking idiot. haha

notabook

The doctor I use is from India.

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DOCTOR 30

Well said. Jayeff is generally a level headed chap and I didn't know he was so proactive in the rights of the people. Good for him.

Ron Paul however is being ignored by the clones in the presidential election because he has a spine and enough of an intellect to see through the bs.

Rudy Giuliani I was going to vote for for the wrong reasons I see. I now see a spiteful, hateful man who pulls in too much shit in on himself to be the leader of the free world. He'd be president two days before the dead rose from their graves, martians invaded, Bin Laden would find Atlantis and it's secret death ray, epidemic baldness would strike mankind and to top it off dogs and cats would learn how to read minds and talk.

I've known Giuliani for over 20 years. He's a dang good investigator and prosecutor but head of the free world? No friggin' way with his attitude problems.

MandyBlake

that's really cold.

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BigCashCrew

I'll tone it down a bit. I hope he chokes on a ham sandwich and dies.

Screaming

cant wait to see it

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tony286

He is a idiot? How many oscars do you have or films that you made that did over 100 million? lol

BigCashCrew

what the fuck does that mean? he's a moron. there are a lot of morons out there that support him. I guess if I was a big fat piece of shit I could make a ton of money making stupid movies. lmao

tony286

That means is that moron came from nothing and has had more success than you ever could dream about. Again hes a moron how many best selling books have you written? Do you know how hard it is to sit and write 300 to 500 pages on a subject?

BigCashCrew

he's a fucking idiot. anyone can write 500 pages on shit and there are people who will be dumb enough to buy into it.

tony286

ok write a book , if anyone can do it.

Nismo

your extensive vocabulary is amazing to read.

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BigCashCrew

I'm glad you enjoy it.

notabook

You sir are treading on dangerous ground.

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DOCTOR 30

Sheesh, the bottom line is Moore is tackling an issue that has been long overdue. The people of the U.S. should be given the best health care bar none and yet tens of millions can't afford it, tens of millions get often life endangering errors and 100s of thousands die from silly shit like staff not washing their hands.

It's far more than a crying shame I can assure you.

LiveDose

I can't stand that clown.

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Webby

Noticed that Was wondering what reason there was for some "problem" about his movie and Cuba.... Classic and kinda funny...

PS There is actually an increasing number of US folks going to other countries for healthcare - it's an increasing biz here - healthcare system ranks the same as the US, but at around 25%-33% of the cost. It can also be the same US hospital chains providing that service - strange....

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DOCTOR 30

Webby, you're preachin' to the choir here buddy boy!

I do ad work for advanced medical research labs. Two top ones in Thailand.

The costs in Thailand are 10% of what you pay here in the U.S. and believe it or not there are global health care companies and credit/loans that cover that shit! They're so competitive to the U.S. credit/lending and health care/medical systems it's amazing! You can get full coverage from companies outside of the U.S. with ten times the customer care!

Thailand alone, any one of our patients let's say a heart problem patient that would be paying $150k in the U.S. In Thailand that rounds out to $15k. During your stay you have nurses around you around the clock. People get your food get your mail, clip your toenails etc. Recouperation is even better, beach stays, fresh food etc.. Heck they have guys who'll get you a piece of poontang if it'll make ya feel better!

Now compare that with what you get in the U.S.. The doctors there and in China are so into doing the best job in competition with one another they go overboard to do a superior job. It's an honor thing. Infection rates are 10% of what they are in the U.S. because in Thailand they do something simple:

THEY WASH THEIR FUCKING HANDS.

If you need health insurance and can't get it in the U.S. because of pre-existing conditions? Get it from numerous other insurance companies worldwide that cover you in the U.S.. Pisses off the American companies no-end and what's better, two friends of mine own two insurance companies overseas. The big insurance companies tried to buy them out and they refused! I think they're going to be in the Michael Moore movie talking about it.

Check out the expatriate websites for the real deal.

jayeff

Agree with Moore's point of view or not, that's your choice. But you are the only person who comes across as a clown when you dismiss him in such simplistic terms.

And if you posted only to get views for your sig, ask yourself how many people are likely to be interested in what you are promoting, if your post makes you look so foolish...