i think that when you have to stoop to start saying that because things in adult are done a certain way, its because we deal with "subpar designers who do know know what needs to be done..." (your words) etc etc as well as insult the intelligence of those who have been in this biz for a very long time, you are attacking people.

as i said... all you had to do was simply say "i do it a different way because" and no one would care and everyone could easily understand. its not a huge surprise that everyone in mainstream typically keeps the files, or at least tries to. you seem unwilling to grasp the fact that people can agree to anything they want and adult has always done business this way... mostly because they are webmasters and have a working knowledge of photoshop and html anyway.

for mainstream stuff, i have never paid anyone for anything where it was not agreed that i would get the psd's. that includes our magazine for womens health and fitness. its just bad business. its bad business for someone that doesn't need to go back to the same guy to make mundane and simple changes. its bad business to let someone else hold you and your project hostage because they are busy or on vacation or because they disappeared. its totally absurd... and everyone except a couple designers agree with that.

Dude ... honestly, you're talking out of turn about me making a quick buck. If I wanted to make a quick buck, I'd have stayed in the games industry. I made 3x what I make doing this. I do this because I love it. I love it more than the fucking AIGA loves it I can assure you. THAT kind of bullshit is in my eyes, trying to make a quick buck. If I give my clients the PSD's, and give them changes after ... for free ... how is that making a quick buck.

When you're telling me you'd charge them extra for the changes, coz you have the power by holding the PSD's ... I think you gotta review who's trying to make the quick buck. Sounds like people like yourself imo.

I think you got your priorities wrong. And I suspect you don't make enough in mainstream design, or you wouldn't be here.

I don't run sites, or have other links in my sig ... because I work 12 - 16 hour days every day on design work, for clients who want the quality I create.

I'm hardly making a 'quick' buck. I fucking WISH! :P

I didn't say quick buck. :2 cents:

You totally meant that ... make a buck ... make a quick buck.... your context suggested it .... bad enough.

By the way aico ... I'm not taking any of this seriously ... I just think your trying to be above your station by basically slagging off the designers here who don't think it's right to hold on to source material for jobs they do.

I get on with a lot of the designers in this industry, and they're all pretty damn nice people ... and 90% of the guys here deliver product, to client satisfaction.

I don't see why giving the PSD's and offering that as standard is such a problem.

Just one thing to say ... AIGA. They can suck ass.

Don't tell me what I meant. I say what I mean. Your defensive attitude created the context. It's funny how you guys keep resorting to attacks, or feel you are being attack. Did you take "to each his own" out of context to? Was that somehow an attack on you as well?

You meant it ! SO THERE!

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Dude ... it's all a bunch of words on a forum :) Chill out dude :)

We all have our ways of working. It just happens that I'll get more repeat business than you ;)

LOL!

YARGH!

Btw ... Show us some of your mainstream work ... I'm actually really interested. And I'm not being sarcastic... I'm serious. I'd love to see your stuff man.

No hard feelings ... I'm not actually taking this seriously as I said before :)

Wow, now your even attacking the organization that has done nothing but help designers for the past 90 years. :1orglaugh

Come on man ... I said twice now I'm not taking this seriously...

You're not are you?

I am chill, trust me. It's all good, back and forth fun times on GFY. I am just stating how I do things, you can do things your way ie "To each his own". It doesn't bother me to have someone disagree with me.

I keep my mainstream design and adult completely seperate. Because, contrary to your belief, I actually make more from my mainstream work, a lot more. (hello, have you see my sites? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh )

no, I am not, I thought is was funny.

NO! I wanna see them!

Btw ... I also get a LOT more cash from Mainstream work. I just find adult work more fun to do ... :)

Link me your portfolio! :)

That "program" in my sig is mine.

Yeah but I wanna see your mainstream work ... :)

Can't do it, sorry. Some of the people I do work for are very "family oriented".

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dude, get some help. Of course I am going to design my own shit you fucking retard. I meant paid work, jesus you're thick.

[email protected] :)

i guess you're not as "chill" as you claim you are.
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God I hope you're not patting yourself on the back for that one.

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