Webby, you need to catch up with the law. All of the "looks like a minor" provisions were thrown out a long time ago as basically being a matter of taste, and because they limited the free speech of adults.

Please, run along.

I don't bother specifically about the domestic laws of the US Alex - was just based on what I was told by folks who know this area. There are plenty more ways to skin a cat - even in the US :pimp

Admittedly the US is a little backward in terms of child laws and children do not have the same rights in place as exist in literally every other country on the planet - but, there are folks ready to deal with pseudo CP and more important actual offenses against children and the volume of actual CP on US servers (estimated to be 50-60% of the world's total "representation" of net CP).

In Canada, this is covered under the Child Protection Act and in the EU, under a variety of legislation - ranging from obscenity laws to whatever. The bottom line effect is the same - basically it falls under the respective penal codes.

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The main reason I do not push this site can be summed up in the following question...

If you were to look at the computers of members of this site, what would you find?

some could argue it's cathartic to have chicks look that young but actually be 25 yr old...

this would be the same for members of any other site teen or not. You can't tell me that only sites like lupe's has members who have a shit load of questionable content on their PCs. I'll bet that at least 80% of all members on ALL sites have something that is questionable or illegal on the PCs when it comes to pics or videos.

she may look young, but there are girl's (not porn chicks) in your town, my town etc.. that look way younger and are in their 30's, but we would still fuck them if we had the chance. Why? Because they are legal. People need to relax. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I've seen, on many occasions people posting pics of UNDERAGE celebs stating "I can't wait till they're 18!". Implying that they are hoping that these celebs will get naked. So it's ok to fantasize about an underage celeb, but it's not ok to have a LEGAL girl that happens to look young on a porn site?

Hell, my girlfriend is 38 years old and she looks like she's 20. Not everyone will look like their age. Yes, I understand the whole pig tail and hair clip thing.. It can, to some people, make her look much younger than she is, but it's all in the eyes of the beholder. For me I don't see her as below 18. It's just to add the whole innocent thing.. Innocent but naughty.. it sells.

It's all on how you see it I guess. Everyone sees things a different way, but I'll tell you this, the people that are actually looking for CP will not spend money on a site that they know the girl is NOT under 18. They will use p2p software of whatever else they can in order to get the real deal. The real pedos don't want to pay for access to a legal girl and have to imagine/pretend that she's under 18. Some may join out of curiosity wondering if she's 18 or below 18, yes. Although that %'s is small.

Damn my husband promotes their stuff and we do not do that well on Little Lupe. He does really well on Chloe, Topanga, April and Summer. I guess since everyone is promoting Little Lupe now that could be one of the reasons. Now on Brea Bennett I am rocking. I am 1:13 but I jumped on that as soon as it opened up.

A lot of debate here over a girl who is clearly over the age of 18.

It's obvious she is marketed to those who want underage girls, but they never say she is underage, illegal or anything else to incriminate. They don't have to. They simply leave it to the viewers imagination which is often far worse then any fantasy you could sell them in the first place. Pure genius.

Those of you taking the moral high road on this one need to step back and look at the business we are all in. Morals get checked at the door in this industry, and if you're selling any porn at all you may as well be selling all LEGAL porn because that same guy who is really looking at pedo shit, is also looking at what you're selling. You are also feeding people with addiction, people who have destroyed their families over pornography, people who spend all their money on pornography, yet that doesn't bother you. Then you hope they forget about their membership so you get rebills. But a young looking LEGAL girl is not. :1orglaugh I'm sure you will defend your stance and try to spin that someone "your porn" is ok, but we both know you are full of it.

I think she's hot and I'd hit it without a rubber. Kudos to the guys who made this site. :2 cents:

... and as long as there is a buck to be made, many of us will convince ourselves that it's okay to make and promote a site where anyone with common sense will be able to notice the intent.

But what to me is silly is when I read "we don't try to make her look young", etc. If you're going to promote it, be straight about it:

Yes, she's over 18.
Yes, it's within the law.
And yes, I just want to make bank so the rest I don't care about.

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well, as long as it's legal why not make money from it? Hell, we're in the porn business. Yes, I agree that being straight about it is best, but I won't stop promoting something legal that makes me $ just because they producers did not say exactly what you stated. If she was under the legal age I sure as hell would not be promoting her. everyone will have a different opinion on this subject so it's useless to debate it since it will only cause people to dislike each other for no good reason. Either you promote the site or you don't.. That's all there is in this case.

*sigh* seems like only yesterday Steve launched Tawnee Stone and was accused non-stop of pandering to pedophiles.

today, his sites practically look like MILF sites and making those accusations today would seem ridiculous and the debate rages on.

wow... where has the time gone...


there IS a line. its called 18. thats where the line is. that line exists because any other measurement is arbitrary, subjective or inaccurate. the law has defined the line in black and white.. the line you cannot cross and its 18yrs old. that shouldn't be too hard for even most gfy'ers to grasp... but apparently it is.


as Steve has always said.. at the end of the day, all that matters is the law and if you can sleep at night. being in this biz and talking about morals is like being an animal rights activist and owning a slaughter house.

Yngwie you're right of course, but at the same time you don't need to justify yourself dude. :)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh Very funny and very true

true enough. :)

I'm up to 35 rebills this month with lupe

A fairly common attitude in the online industry - especially with desperados who need every signup and the clueless who often have no judgement whatsover. They would market *anything* as long as there were decent conversions on it - and the same folks who cause laws to be introduced to stop them stepping over the line. Basically, they are a liability to the adult industry.

Forgetting legalities - I don't pick my nose and fart around the dinner table, tho it may be "legal". It's a judgement not to.

Flip side are the legalities - It is also a judgement not to publish illegal content on websites - this type of content is illegal in most prime wired countries and for good reason - the same greedy element stepped over the line and motivated legislators to create these laws. Tho this was before the online net times - but it's clear this industry cannot police itself and others will do it for us.

PS Have always supported people/corps in this industry when legalities start and have successfully defended several actions against on our own corps, - but there is no way I'd be supporting this pseudo CP trash, and I'm certainly not alone in this. Most major distributors who have existed long before the net was heard of and who have a vested interest in this business, would do the same.

That we are all in porn so no one can make judgement is horse shit. Sorry if you sold your soul for a couple of dollars then thats you not me.

Great post kudos :thumbsup

Amen to that.

well, though she looks young, she's a pro doing stuff...

My stats agree with you. Great job with that site :thumbsup

Webby, I am Canadian. Canadian law in this matter is very similar to US law - if the model is over 18, there is NOTHING, NOTHING NOTHING that the law can do. Consenting adults, etc.

Canada does have laws against CP, even anime CP, and that is a whole different deal.

Well said. I can't say I wholeheartedly agree with your final statment there, but the rest of what you said is pretty much dead nuts on point.

For me it's a matter of simply choosing to not promote a site that offends my sense of moral judgement. I don't usually find myself having a driving need to bitch at others who do promote it, unless it's clearly in violation of the law, which this site is not.

18 is 18. Period. Don't like this girl? Fine, go promote one of the other 10,000 solo teens out there who look a bit older.

It doesn't have to be complicated.

Not going to repeat shit again..

OK... There are no laws anywhere on this planet which prohibit adult models being tarted up as kids and portraying images of em having cocks stuck in all holes. This is "normal" and rational behavior in any civilized society.

Test that one out in court and enjoy :thumbsup

Wee:1orglaugh more:1orglaugh of :1orglaugh Webby's :1orglaugh sanctimonious :1orglaugh bullshit. :1orglaugh

i don't think she is attractive & she looks 12. in a few years she will have lost all appeal because even the pedophiles wont be interested anymore. for now, might as well make money off her youth & if shes ok with it, we are ok with it. :1orglaugh

Na.. sanctimonious is not a word you'd understand - just robotic clueless oblivion, a political fetish, a mortgage and fantasy claims of being a "shooter" :1orglaugh

Oh I see you embody the word every day on gfy. Moralistic hypocrite.

yes, she does look young!

You claim to know about morals next??? Duh? :1orglaugh Coming from a purveyor of "little girl fucking" fantasies for pedos - that's classic :pimp

shee looks too young to me. i think that mostly pedos would signup for her site.

If that?s the case then ratio for the number of paedophiles per head of population should be adjusted to 1 in 4.

At the age of 15 Anna Kournikova?s short skirts were being chased around tennis courts by the eyes of millions, were they all paedophiles.

I suggest something other than paedophilia is at work here. Maybe a natural male attraction to cute young girls.

she does convert very well :thumbsup

You pimped your wife out on the net...that means you sold YOUR soul out to the devil also doesn't it?

You see how people can twist shit around?

that is a sad site in so many ways... legal or not

what people like aaronm would do for a bit money.. you guys are sad.

Never knew you were an evangelical nutjob BVF :winkwink:

Never had a problem or looked upon models as "pimping" - that thinking only seemed to enter the adult biz with the online element.

A couple of the best shooters ever for erotic content had wives who were models and there sure was no aura of selling your soul or pimping - these guys were shit hot and got credit along with their wives/models. One of em was my "mentor" for shooter stuff and, tho he has since died, he has respect from all who knew him and his public following - and his legacy lives on. These guys would never touch this stuff with two pairs of rubber gloves on - they had judgement.

The difference here is we are hitting close to kid stuff - sure, it's not *real CP*, but styled that way and pandering to a pedo market. Next will be portrayals of eight year olds and webmasters saying she converts well :pimp

damn ! she looks like 12 for fuck sake! :)

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Exactly the words that came out of the mouth of two law people who saw the imaging fetishHIT. Tho one thought she was even younger..

We know Lupe is a 20 something, (and she is a good model), but the public don't see this - all they see is a kid. On one side, the adult industry verbalizes over distancing itself from CP, but on the other, it portrays a version of CP by tarting up the girl to look like 12 ish. It's a joke - and kinda sad.