State of the Internet Porn Industry (Rant) - GoFuckYourself.com

Auslander · 08-22-2002, 12:40 PM

I think the fucking adult industry, as a whole, sucks ass...

Every single time you go to a "Porn site", the following occurs:

Pop-up
Pop-up
Pop-up
Promting to Download "Gator"
Pop-up
Pop-up
Pop-up
Promting to set Home Page to "XxxPorn.com"
Pop-up
Pop-up
A fucking page that I have to cntl/alt/del to get it off my fucking screen!

Then I'm back to square #1. All this to see some goddamn porn...sometimes I think it isn't even worth it anymore...

I think the industry REALLY needs to re-evaluate how they conduct business.

All this bullshit spam email...when you type your name in to get your name removed, they spam you from 10 other sites...it's a never-ending war of whores...it's fucking bullshit...I just wanna see some tits!

I gotta go....(waiting to get flamed upon

)

Gary · 08-22-2002, 12:41 PM

Time for you to whip out your credit card and buy you stinking freeloader

FATPad · 08-22-2002, 12:42 PM

Gator has an affiliate program?

quiet · 08-22-2002, 12:42 PM

too much free porn!!

JFPdude · 08-22-2002, 12:42 PM

Cool .....

Welp I can skip the daily testing of my sites seems it's been done already

12clicks · 08-22-2002, 12:43 PM

dopey, go surfe no-adult and tell me what you see.

hey, go to a free font site.

SleazyDream · 08-22-2002, 12:43 PM

come to <a href=http:http://www.sleazydream.com/main.html>SleazyDream</a>
I'm a retired millionaire who loves to give the porn away for free without popups.

Auslander · 08-22-2002, 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gary
Time for you to whip out your credit card and buy you stinking freeloader

Actually, I have, and I did...but all it did was get my name sold to 100000 other fucking sites who all spammed the fuck out of me...

I don't mind buying memberships if I can find quality product, but any fucking site that puts me through pop-up/download HELL gets SHIT of my fucking money!

FATPad · 08-22-2002, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander
I just wanna see some tits!

The World's #1 Tit Site

Gary · 08-22-2002, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
dopey, go surfe no-adult and tell me what you see.

hey, go to a free font site.

I wouldnt wish a free font or clipart site on my worst enemy.

FATPad · 08-22-2002, 12:45 PM

Clip art sites are BRUTAL.

JFPdude · 08-22-2002, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by FATPad
Clip art sites are BRUTAL.

Wrestling sites too

Auslander · 08-22-2002, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bhutocracy

and how exactly would you propose these people provide free porn for you and still make the money it costs to buy and serve it in the first place?

You actually think inhibiting me from leaving the site, and pointing me back to it 100 times, putting me through 30 pop-ups, and 5 forced downloads is going to insight me to buy from it!??!

letshunt · 08-22-2002, 12:48 PM

Yea, it seems like you mooching no good godless freeloading "I deserve porn for free" bum pieces of shit really got it bad.

Of course, paysites and AVS sites don't have all that stuff, course then you couldn't mooch, and rip sites and download all the free porn you want. You would have to pay a paltry fee...

Damn, I guess the state of the freeloading porn mooch is bad. Hope it gets worse.

cherrylula · 08-22-2002, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
too much free porn!!

too much free porn!!

Auslander · 08-22-2002, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by letshunt
Yea, it seems like you mooching no good godless freeloading "I deserve porn for free" bum pieces of shit really got it bad.

Of course, paysites and AVS sites don't have all that stuff, course then you couldn't mooch, and rip sites and download all the free porn you want. You would have to pay a paltry fee...

Damn, I guess the state of the freeloading porn mooch is bad. Hope it gets worse.

Actually ASSHOLE, I have bought memberships from Rogerceleb.com, MrSkin.com, and a few others because they were PRESENTED IN PROFESSIONAL MANNER AND DIDN'T PUT ME THROUGH 10000 HOOPS.

The LAST thing I am is a mooch, everyone window shops before they buy.

SykkBoy · 08-22-2002, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander

You actually think inhibiting me from leaving the site, and pointing me back to it 100 times, putting me through 30 pop-ups, and 5 forced downloads is going to insight me to buy from it!??!

no, but the fact that you didn't buy means you are not my customer and I owe you precisely dick....

webmasters have to realize, surfers are your commodity, SPONSORS are your customer....a surfer is not a customer until they buy membership and then they are the customer of the sponsor.....

quiet · 08-22-2002, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander

and a few others

do you like movie paysites?

FATPad · 08-22-2002, 12:55 PM

Yea...shit. If you got a credit card, I'll give you my ICQ #. Anytime you're in hte mood for something, message me and I'll give you my referral code to whatever kind of site you want.

Auslander · 08-22-2002, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

do you like movie paysites?

Without a doubt...

I am just trying to hammer a point...I have been in the Interactive Marketing industry for over five-years, and I dispise how non-adult Internet marketing is conducted (by studying click-through traffic, no such thing as branding, blah blah blah).

This whole "Internet" thing is another medium just like TV, Radio, print, etc., and needs to be treated as such. Surfing porn sites is like getting blown into a fucking tornado...

How the hell am I supposed to know who to buy from, when I click a link I think is a preview, and I get blown to 5-6 other sites? By the time I am done clicking through them, I completely forgot where in the fuck I was in the first place...

pr0 · 08-22-2002, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
come to <a href=http:http://www.sleazydream.com/main.html>SleazyDream</a>
I'm a retired millionaire who loves to give the porn away for free without popups.

gothweb · 08-22-2002, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2

no, but the fact that you didn't buy means you are not my customer and I owe you precisely dick....

webmasters have to realize, surfers are your commodity, SPONSORS are your customer....a surfer is not a customer until they buy membership and then they are the customer of the sponsor.....

Um. I don't use sponsors. Can I still treat my viewers as customers? ;)

clickpimp · 08-22-2002, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander

How the hell am I supposed to know who to buy from, when I click a link I think is a preview, and I get blown to 5-6 other sites? By the time I am done clicking through them, I completely forgot where in the fuck I was in the first place...

try an adult search engine and a pop-up stopper.

bhutocracy · 08-22-2002, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander

Actually ASSHOLE, I have bought memberships from Rogerceleb.com, MrSkin.com, and a few others because they were PRESENTED IN PROFESSIONAL MANNER AND DIDN'T PUT ME THROUGH 10000 HOOPS.

The LAST thing I am is a mooch, everyone window shops before they buy.

the sponsors aren't the ones putting you through 10000 hoops. why would you reject joining a website because an affiliate put you through a circle jerk?

Libertine · 08-22-2002, 01:05 PM

A surfer is a potential customer. It's up to you to make the sale.
Now, where would you buy a car? The car dealer that starts beating you with a baseball bat the moment you walk out of his door, or the one that only smiles and says "Remember to visit us again!".

quiet · 08-22-2002, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander

Without a doubt...]

yes!

Swiftone · 08-22-2002, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
A surfer is a potential customer. It's up to you to make the sale.
Now, where would you buy a car? The car dealer that starts beating you with a baseball bat the moment you walk out of his door, or the one that only smiles and says "Remember to visit us again!".

Probably the one who beat me with the baseball bat.

ChrisH · 08-22-2002, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 12clicks
dopey, go surfe no-adult and tell me what you see.

hey, go to a free font site.

Even better. Go search for "clip art" talk about mouse trapping!!

[Labret] · 08-22-2002, 01:52 PM

or go surf for warez and mp3. brutal.

Whoever recommended "free surfer" the other day. I downloaded that shit. Love it.

SykkBoy · 08-22-2002, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gothweb

Um. I don't use sponsors. Can I still treat my viewers as customers? ;)

psst, you ARE a sponsor ;)

but, viewers aren't customers until they've bought something ;)

dacash · 08-22-2002, 02:19 PM

Here is how much Gator pays you...

~~~~~
To earn money, of course! This is one of the simplest and most generous affiliate programs on the Web. Just send us customers, and you'll get $0.03 for every Qualified Download. (Read our Affiliate Agreement for the fine print.)

Gator products are free, helpful, and download quickly (in approximately 10 minutes with a 56K modem). You'll be earning revenue as soon as you advertise this product!
~~~~~

hmm is it worth to advertise a software that invades your privacy and you can't remove even if you do Program Uninstall, it installs it self back after a period of time. If you put a firewall that keeps log of the out going connection you'll see that Gator sends what you are doign to their system.

Bah... Gator should rote in hell

SykkBoy · 08-22-2002, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld
A surfer is a potential customer. It's up to you to make the sale.
Now, where would you buy a car? The car dealer that starts beating you with a baseball bat the moment you walk out of his door, or the one that only smiles and says "Remember to visit us again!".

if you are the affiliate sending the traffic, that surfer is a commodity....and as a sponsor, sure, you want to make a sale and turn that guy into a customer, but once he leaves your lot, hat do you care? Would you rather he just amble on to the next car lot or are you going to say "hey, buddy, so you didn't like my cars, why don't you try that guy across the street" and of course that guy across the street is going to give you a kickback if he makes the sale.

People don't like to hear it, but the most $uccessful salesmen are the aggressive ones....the ones who hustle that sale. Timeshare, cars, fucking Circuit City....the aggressive guys take home the biggest checks.

Libertine · 08-22-2002, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SykkBoy2

if you are the affiliate sending the traffic, that surfer is a commodity....and as a sponsor, sure, you want to make a sale and turn that guy into a customer, but once he leaves your lot, hat do you care? Would you rather he just amble on to the next car lot or are you going to say "hey, buddy, so you didn't like my cars, why don't you try that guy across the street" and of course that guy across the street is going to give you a kickback if he makes the sale.

People don't like to hear it, but the most $uccessful salesmen are the aggressive ones....the ones who hustle that sale. Timeshare, cars, fucking Circuit City....the aggressive guys take home the biggest checks.

Ever crossed your mind that he might return and buy after all?
Most people look a few times before they buy. I know I do.

Another problem is that many sponsors nowadays use entrance popups. Not exactly the best way to gain the trust of a potential customer.

Also important is the state of the whole business. If a surfer believes the adult industry can't be trusted, he most likely won't buy. Simple as that.

booker · 08-22-2002, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander
The LAST thing I am is a mooch, everyone window shops before they buy.

You're damn straight. I'm not going to sink $20/mo into a membership if I don't know that I'm going to get good clean (in the figurative sense.. heh) content in a streamlined format without shit that is going to crash my computer or waste my time.

I think a lot of webmasters, once they get traffic to play with, start introducing the bullshit just to nickle & dime people to death, instead of going for a nice steady user base. It's pretty lame but perhaps that's the temptation as a result of the way the payoffs in the industry are set up. I'm not 100% sure this is what happens, but it is what I suspect, because pop-ups and other bullshit means of making money all require a decent traffic flow to convert.

SykkBoy · 08-22-2002, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by punkworld

Ever crossed your mind that he might return and buy after all?
Most people look a few times before they buy. I know I do.

Another problem is that many sponsors nowadays use entrance popups. Not exactly the best way to gain the trust of a potential customer.

Also important is the state of the whole business. If a surfer believes the adult industry can't be trusted, he most likely won't buy. Simple as that.

in porn? nope

porn is an impulse buy....
unless it's an extremely unique niche, once they're gone, they are gone...may as well make something off them.

I'm not a fan of entrance consoles on payistes either, and too many consoles (from paysite exits) become ineffective too...non-adult is a perfect example of some fuckface learning javascript and not how to properly use a console. An exit console from a pay site should be "oh you didn't like my site? Try this one"

Something I noticed is that an inadvertant fuckup on my part actually increased our exit console sales...I messed up the url in a console and so when the blur console would pop, it would pop to our 404 page which is our first exit console, so we had these three consoles endlessly looping upon close, with the only way out being clicking on a link. We saw a 50% increase in signups to one of the sites on that console. So, if you say that people don't buy from consoles? Wrong, they don't buy from poor consoles. You say they don't buy when trapped? These people were inadvertantly trapped and still bought. So, don't kid yourselves.

I look at freesite surfers the same as I do the guys who stand at the magazine racks reading all day, but not buying a fucking thing. That's why a good store manager will say "are you going to buy that or leave?" If they left without buying, they weren't a customer anyways, just a loiterer. If they buy, they either liked the magazine or knew they had to buy to keep reading "the good stuff".

FlyingIguana · 08-23-2002, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Auslander
I think the fucking adult industry, as a whole, sucks ass...

Every single time you go to a "Porn site", the following occurs:

Pop-up
Pop-up
Pop-up
Promting to Download "Gator"
Pop-up
Pop-up
Pop-up
Promting to set Home Page to "XxxPorn.com"
Pop-up
Pop-up
A fucking page that I have to cntl/alt/del to get it off my fucking screen!

Then I'm back to square #1. All this to see some goddamn porn...sometimes I think it isn't even worth it anymore...

I think the industry REALLY needs to re-evaluate how they conduct business.

All this bullshit spam email...when you type your name in to get your name removed, they spam you from 10 other sites...it's a never-ending war of whores...it's fucking bullshit...I just wanna see some tits!

I gotta go....(waiting to get flamed upon )

see, if you just signed up to a site, you'd see all the tits you can handle.

booker · 08-23-2002, 12:20 AM

Sky, that's really interesting that they would buy memberships and such in that situation, which was a mistake by you. While I am I relative newcommer to the webmaster side of the industry, I have been looking at online porn for however long and done some content production...

...have you changed your overall business strategy based on the result of that mistake?

Another question I have.. and perhaps this isn't quite on topic but I'm going to put it here instead of it's own thread.. is influx of new webmasters and such into the industry. I've seen sites which basically tell a newcommer step by step how to build a couple sites and promote them and gain traffic.

It seems to me like a magician who goes on TV and shows how he does all his tricks and illusions. Again, I'm a relative newbie, but what I've learned has come from looking at the successful sites, comparing them and including the winning characteristics into my site, combined with a little creativity and some hard work.

So, how do established webmasters like yourself feel about the flood of newcommers who are trying to cash in or make a fortune overnight on the hard work that you've done to establish quality sites with quality traffic and memberships? Is it welcomed? Is it abhorred? Somewhere in between?

08-22-2002, 12:41 PM	#2
Gary Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Kimmykims couch Posts: 6,110	Time for you to whip out your credit card and buy you stinking freeloader __________________ Up to 35$ per join...!

08-22-2002, 12:42 PM	#4
quiet we'll miss you our friend. RIP Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Fernie, BC Posts: 25,115	too much free porn!! __________________ we'll miss you our friend. RIP

08-22-2002, 12:43 PM	#6
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,789	dopey, go surfe no-adult and tell me what you see. hey, go to a free font site. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

08-22-2002, 12:43 PM	#7
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	come to <a href=http:http://www.sleazydream.com/main.html>SleazyDream</a> I'm a retired millionaire who loves to give the porn away for free without popups. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog. Last edited by SleazyDream; 08-22-2002 at 12:44 PM..

08-22-2002, 12:48 PM	#14
letshunt Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 196	Yea, it seems like you mooching no good godless freeloading "I deserve porn for free" bum pieces of shit really got it bad. Of course, paysites and AVS sites don't have all that stuff, course then you couldn't mooch, and rip sites and download all the free porn you want. You would have to pay a paltry fee... Damn, I guess the state of the freeloading porn mooch is bad. Hope it gets worse. __________________ The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his. -George Patton

08-22-2002, 12:40 PM	#1
Auslander Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: www.whataboutbob.com Posts: 288	State of the Internet Porn Industry (Rant) I think the fucking adult industry, as a whole, sucks ass... Every single time you go to a "Porn site", the following occurs: Pop-up Pop-up Pop-up Promting to Download "Gator" Pop-up Pop-up Pop-up Promting to set Home Page to "XxxPorn.com" Pop-up Pop-up A fucking page that I have to cntl/alt/del to get it off my fucking screen! Then I'm back to square #1. All this to see some goddamn porn...sometimes I think it isn't even worth it anymore... I think the industry REALLY needs to re-evaluate how they conduct business. All this bullshit spam email...when you type your name in to get your name removed, they spam you from 10 other sites...it's a never-ending war of whores...it's fucking bullshit...I just wanna see some tits! I gotta go....(waiting to get flamed upon )

08-22-2002, 12:42 PM	#3
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Gator has an affiliate program?

08-22-2002, 12:42 PM	#5
JFPdude Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Mountains of Western North Carolina. Posts: 4,027	Cool ..... Welp I can skip the daily testing of my sites seems it's been done already

08-22-2002, 12:45 PM	#11
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Clip art sites are BRUTAL.

08-22-2002, 12:55 PM	#19
FATPad Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 6,693	Yea...shit. If you got a credit card, I'll give you my ICQ #. Anytime you're in hte mood for something, message me and I'll give you my referral code to whatever kind of site you want.

08-22-2002, 01:05 PM	#25
Libertine sex dwarf Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 17,860	A surfer is a potential customer. It's up to you to make the sale. Now, where would you buy a car? The car dealer that starts beating you with a baseball bat the moment you walk out of his door, or the one that only smiles and says "Remember to visit us again!".

08-22-2002, 01:52 PM	#29
[Labret] Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Са́нкт-Петербу́рг Posts: 10,945	or go surf for warez and mp3. brutal. Whoever recommended "free surfer" the other day. I downloaded that shit. Love it.

08-22-2002, 02:19 PM	#31
dacash Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: some where in a basement Posts: 609	Here is how much Gator pays you... ~~~~~ To earn money, of course! This is one of the simplest and most generous affiliate programs on the Web. Just send us customers, and you'll get $0.03 for every Qualified Download. (Read our Affiliate Agreement for the fine print.) Gator products are free, helpful, and download quickly (in approximately 10 minutes with a 56K modem). You'll be earning revenue as soon as you advertise this product! ~~~~~ hmm is it worth to advertise a software that invades your privacy and you can't remove even if you do Program Uninstall, it installs it self back after a period of time. If you put a firewall that keeps log of the out going connection you'll see that Gator sends what you are doign to their system. Bah... Gator should rote in hell __________________ ____________ Marc

08-23-2002, 12:20 AM	#37
booker Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 1,370	Sky, that's really interesting that they would buy memberships and such in that situation, which was a mistake by you. While I am I relative newcommer to the webmaster side of the industry, I have been looking at online porn for however long and done some content production... ...have you changed your overall business strategy based on the result of that mistake? Another question I have.. and perhaps this isn't quite on topic but I'm going to put it here instead of it's own thread.. is influx of new webmasters and such into the industry. I've seen sites which basically tell a newcommer step by step how to build a couple sites and promote them and gain traffic. It seems to me like a magician who goes on TV and shows how he does all his tricks and illusions. Again, I'm a relative newbie, but what I've learned has come from looking at the successful sites, comparing them and including the winning characteristics into my site, combined with a little creativity and some hard work. So, how do established webmasters like yourself feel about the flood of newcommers who are trying to cash in or make a fortune overnight on the hard work that you've done to establish quality sites with quality traffic and memberships? Is it welcomed? Is it abhorred? Somewhere in between? __________________ Xanadu024 (aim) or 286785389 (icq) "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."