Non-existance of time [Labret] help?

[Penrod]

Does anyone know what I would be talking about when I say I don't think time exists as a past and future ?

From what I've seen everyone who is wired up Neuron heavy on the left side..always goes on about the previous..what happened before..going back and back..if allowed to..converging on whatever contexts seem relevant...like kiddo said dividing and subtracting....and neuron structure on the left side does converge to single points..

The opposite on the other side..people like me who are wired up that way are always looking forward expansively..unable to reference the previous..but very creative about routes for growth..

We are in essence seeing the structure of our neurons and playing them out in our perceptions...Normal human sense tells us this feels right without me pointing out what neurolgical slicing says..

I heard a theory that time does not exist..and I just could not make sense of that..but what I had figured out about left hemisphered people being pre-occupied with the previous and rights the future..gave me a clue to see what I could'nt understand in the equations...

The greatest of the wise..like Bhudda seemed to see the opposites in everything as did Einstein..and strangely enough einsteins brain on dissection revealed an abnormally fused bridge in the middle where the two hemispheres would split..he saw thru every oscilation swing of every argument ever put till he died..it was him who proposed time as elastic..

It was proposed recently by Julian Arbour that time exists in packets held in spaces...I'm pretty sure he meant galaxies..

There is only three galaxy types..mainly gasous unformed..a vortex(ours) and spherical..the most pre-dominant....The vortex galaxy splits all matter along an axis..creating a pull into opposite poles..like our earth has and spinning rings like saturn....

I thought about why we think a previous exists..because its written..usually ..our best example being tree rings...most time pieces do have this circular repitition too...

I think its absolutely fascinating that our brains create these perceptions of time..and we think its proven because its spun into histories..that appear to follow a line...but this is only because matter is being spun that way according to the structure of a vortex..which has this definite arrow through it...

If time is held in each galaxy in a unique way...and we still don't know the strucure of "this" universe then not only can we see that past to future is an earthbound reality....then we don't even know how one time pocket relates to another..My only hope of making sense of this is that the vortex is the middle ground of all states..and our perception is the average out of all of them..

Any ideas ?

[sexygoat]

too much time on hands

[[Labret]]

not right now not right now not right now.

In the middle of experiment, must stay focused.

[boneprone]

YOu need to talk to Pete The Fly about this one.
This is his speciality

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by [Labret]
not right now not right now not right now.

In the middle of experiment, must stay focused.

Stay focused.

Time is a liquid anyway, its non linear.

[rdunn404]

Roll me some of whatever Penrod's smoking!

[RK]

Originally posted by Penrod
and strangely enough einsteins brain on dissection revealed an abnormally fused bridge in the middle where the two hemispheres would split

Does that mean he has so smart because of this (he was born like that or it developed at a young age? Or maybe because he was so smart, that was developed?

As for responding to the rest of your post, much less ... and more clarity would make it easier to understand or more specifically know what specifically you are talking about.

[TheFLY]

Damn some good shit...

Read Steven Hawking's new shit -- it's like a picture book -- he explains time-space and all that shit with diagrams... I just started reading it in the bookstore but really fascinating how time is relative to the viewer...

The most fascinating example at the beginning of the book is this... They place two clocks in two airplanes -- sent them off on flights -- one to the east one to the west -- the two planes upon return from around the world no longer have the same time -- less or more time passed...

So each of us has our own time in our own space... ??????????

Also think about LSD -- I've never tried it but supposedly it allows you to experience all of time as a "now" -- I'm reading Philip Dick's biographical (famous SF author that is responsible for the stories behind the movies Blade Runner, Total Recall, Minority Report) -- he talks of experiencing eternities of time for example while under the influence of drugs... during a planned suicide in "A Scanner Darkly" -- that's the basis of these "precogs" in Minority Report (remember in the movie the precogs are like drug experiments gone amuck... here's a quote from Dick LOL he was into quantum physics and "synchroncity" and shit,

"Do we collectively dwell in a kind of laser hologram, real creatures in a manufactured quasi-world, a stage set within whose artifacts and creatures a mind moves that is determined to remain unknown?"

Has anyone read "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot? Hmm I seem to hear certain interesting people talking about this book so I should probably look into it hehe...

[bhutocracy]

Originally posted by TheFLY


Has anyone read "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot? Hmm I seem to hear certain interesting people talking about this book so I should probably look into it hehe...

yeah it's fucking cool... very very interesting.

[quiet]

Originally posted by TheFLY
Has anyone read "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot? Hmm I seem to hear certain interesting people talking about this book so I should probably look into it hehe...

no, but i read his 'mysticism and the new physics' a couple of months ago. not bad.

[TheFLY]

I think my brain just blew a bridge fuse... LOL

[Wildman]

Originally posted by TheFLY

The most fascinating example at the beginning of the book is this... They place two clocks in two airplanes -- sent them off on flights -- one to the east one to the west -- the two planes upon return from around the world no longer have the same time -- less or more time passed...

Damn...sounds fucking interesting....

[RK]

Originally posted by TheFLY
They place two clocks in two airplanes -- sent them off on flights -- one to the east one to the west -- the two planes upon return from around the world no longer have the same time -- less or more time passed...

What was the difference? Minutes or milliseconds?
Is this a theory or it has actually been done?

[RK]

Originally posted by TheFLY
Read Steven Hawking's new shit

You mean STEPHEN HAWKING right?

[SetTheWorldonFire]

See Jane run, run Jane run

[Kosch]

i have to pay taxes for past money.

everybody knows, that time is money.

if past time not exists, why i have to pay taxes for it?

[RK]

Originally posted by SetTheWorldonFire
See Jane run, run Jane run

time travel.

"Jane? is left at an orphanage as a foundling. When ?Jane? is a teenager, she falls in love with a drifter, who abandons her but leaves her pregnant. Then disaster strikes. She almost dies giving birth to a baby girl, who is then mysteriously kidnapped. The doctors find that Jane is bleeding badly, but, oddly enough, has both sex organs. So, to save her life, the doctors convert ?Jane? to ?Jim.?

?Jim? subsequently becomes a roaring drunk, until he meets a friendly bartender (actually a time traveler in disguise) who wisks ?Jim? way back into the past. ?Jim? meets a beautiful teenage girl, then accidentally gets her pregnant with a baby girl. Out of guilt, he kidnaps the baby girl and drops her off at the orphanage. Later, ?Jim? joins the time travelers corps, leads a distinguished life, and has one last dream: to disguise himself as a bartender to meet a certain drunk named ?Jim? in the past. So, who is ?Jane?s? mother, father, brother, sister, grandfather, grandmother, and grandchild?"

[quiet]

Originally posted by RK


What was the difference? Minutes or milliseconds?
Is this a theory or it has actually been done?

a better/more illustrative mind experiment (based on the same theory - relativity) is called the Twin Paradox:

There are two exact twins. one becomes an astronaut, the other is a civilian. we get to the point with technology where we can build a spaceship that can travel at a speed pretty close to the speed of light (something that should definitely occur eventually).

they plan to launch such a space craft with the twin. after launch, the ship circles the earth for a year - but it is a year relative to those in the ship. the faster you move, the slower time moves forward (relative to those moving slower than you ie those on earth). however, it is unnoticable unless you are moving incredibly quickly, relative to others.

in a spaceship that approaches the speed of light, times slows down BigTime. infact, if you could reach the speed of light, time would no long move forward of all (but of course it is impossible to move at the speed of light (unless you want to get into some very strange theories)).

anyway, nearing the speed of light as they travel around earth, then ride for a year (meaning a year on the ship) - back on earth, many years will pass. the exact amount depends on the speed of the ship, and of course it has to be moving very close to the speed of light.

when they come back, one twin will have aged a year. the other will have aged many. i could have tried to explain this better if i was sober :)

[Pathfinder]

I try to avoid thinking about esoteric concepts. It makes my small brain hurt. I don't even like to think about the vastness of the universe, as my mind does not like to deal with the numbers involved.

I do think, as a short explanation that time is elusive and relative.

[RK]

Originally posted by quiet
i could have tried to explain this better if i was sober

not much to explain, this is not something new yet it's just a theory at this point in time.

[quiet]

Originally posted by RK


not much to explain, this is not something new yet it's just a theory at this point in time.

it's not a theory. using atomic clocks (extremely accurate) both going in different directions it was shown that the the clocks had different times after landing. it's an old experiment, and has been done many times since.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...iv/airtim.html

edited cause i'm stoned.

[MarkTiarra]

Oh man you guys are gonna get me started!

One guys asked if anyone read:
"The Holographic Universe"

Yes. Good book.

I also suggest:
Elegant Universe by Briane Greene. It's on String Theory.

Anything on Quantum Physics will start to reveal that time AND space are illusory. In fact, the two are inextribaly linked so if one is an illusion, the other has to be. If there is no time you can be everywhere at once. If there is no space then you are here and there at the same time...

Funny how science is starting to say the same stuff enlightened beings like Lao Tsu said thousands of years ago.

Now is all there is folks. =]

[MarkTiarra]

And yes, even after reading books on String Theory I haven't the brain power to spell much of anything. =]

[dacash]

SHUDUP!

[quiet]

atomic clock experiments:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...iv/airtim.html

some shit on time dilation (the basic idea behind it):

http://members.tripod.com/wmhxbigguy/Theory/time.html

and the twin paradox:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...n_paradox.html

[MarkTiarra]

Any of ya'll familiar with the double-slit experiment? Good illustration of time and/or space being an illusion.

[volante]

Originally posted by TheFLY
Has anyone read "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot? Hmm I seem to hear certain interesting people talking about this book so I should probably look into it hehe...

I vaguely remember reading a theory that basically stated that the entire universe is a four dimensional hologram - anything to do with this book?

For non-sciency type people, try this: get a hologram and cut it into quarters. Instead of getting four quarters of the hologram (as you would if you cut up a normal picture), you get 4 smaller versions of the original hologram. Basically, any point of the hologram contains enough information ro recreate the entire hologram, or at least a highly detailed copy of it.

If the universe is a four dimensional hologram, then any point in the universe contains information on any other point in the universe whether it is in the past, present or future. Figure out how to extract and decode the information and you can predict the future...

[quiet]

Originally posted by MarkTiarra
Any of ya'll familiar with the double-slit experiment? Good illustration of time and/or space being an illusion.

yes. wave/particle duality of electrons.

also paved the way for the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

[MarkTiarra]

But there's no future to predict. The "future" is just a probable reality that you draw to you through the manifestation of your thoughts. =]

The hologram reference is neat though. The whole deal with String Theory and how it's solving the rift between Relativity and Quantum Physics rests on some of the same principals. That the basic building block of EVERYTHING is akin to our DNA wherein every part of the universe contains the information for the whole.

So like I said... how many "religious" and spiritual teaching have been trying to say for thousands of years that "we are all one?"