Topbucks works closer with the FTC

[theinsider]

Just recently topbucks has began handing over all webmaster data that they have stored since their creation. This means IPs associated with webmaster data, advertising methods(referring urls), etc. The FTC is now currently building a database of webmaster info including their payout info, ips, referring urls, domains, etc. Think im bullshitting? I know 2 people personally who have received C&D's from the FTC regarding their "advertising methods." In the said letters, it specifically states that the information was gathered from the topbucks affiliate program.

Now you might be saying, who cares? Well, do you really want the government traffic you like this? I know I dont.

[Probono]

Post the letter or disappear back into anonymity, Mr. one post.

[WiredGuy]

Prove it. Show us the letter from the 2 people you personally know. Screen our their names/urls if you want, but lets see the letter from the FTC and the C&D.
WG

[SmokeyTheBear]

hmm i realise your trying to help "i think", but you should elaborate or this will end up backfiring quickly.

i fail to see why the ftc would be sending "cease and decist" orders on affiliates ?

[Aussie Rebel]

1 post, hmm fake nick, is that bullshit I can smell?
post the emails

[SmokeyTheBear]

i also realise that sponsors shouldn't need to respond to allegations without merit, but its probably important that in some cases they do..

I think the majority of webmasters are responsible enough to handle the truth and dont need to be coddled.

If these accusations are totally without merit in any way i would like to hear it said.

If the ftc has/had legal grounds to obtain info on something illegal i see no reason why topbucks shouldnt cooperate with them. and i would applaud them for doing so. "IF" this is just a "pushover" by the ftc to bully topbucks into handing over "all" webmaster data , urls etc i would be worried but i fail to see how 2 of your friends could possibly know what records the ftc obtained

[Matt 26z]

Are you saying they handed over the entire affiliate database, or just the info of spammers?

[SmokeyTheBear]

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

1 post, hmm fake nick, is that bullshit I can smell?
post the emails

well thats obvious , but he/she prob feels the need to be anon.. i cant really blame them for that if the info is true.. if said legal material stated they were not to disclose it they could be legally liable and not able to reproduce it..

That being said this kind of accusation is easily squashed.. as i see no reason for the webmasters affected not to sterp forward if they did nothing wrong, they dont need to post their info to us.. just tell us their story in so many words ..

[Aussie Rebel]

Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBear

well thats obvious , but he/she prob feels the need to be anon.. i cant really blame them for that if the info is true.. if said legal material stated they were not to disclose it they could be legally liable and not able to reproduce it..

That being said this kind of accusation is easily squashed.. as i see no reason for the webmasters affected not to sterp forward if they did nothing wrong, they dont need to post their info to us.. just tell us their story in so many words ..

Yes I understand the fake nick IF it is true, but posting 1 post and then pissing off and not posting proof smells a bit fishy to me

[DamageX]

Yeah, blame TopBucks for trying to find a good balance... Think this would've happened if the fucking spammers wouldn't have existed in the first place?

[Tempest]

Did Topbucks finally settle with the FTC over the spam issue? I know it's a 1 post nick, but keep in mind that part of the FTC settlement for BangBros and the other companies, was that they supply the FTC with info like that. So it shouldn't come as a surprise if in fact it's occuring.

[theinsider]

Hey, believe me or not.. Your call.. Either way, doesnt matter to me. Just thought all should know. Regarding the letter.. Give me 24hrs and Ill post it here.. Should have it by tommorow PM. Regarding topbucks responding.. I'd like to see their response also.. they know they cannot lie, because the letters will prove they are lying. Doesn't anyone remeber Topbucks being sued by the ftc.. havent heard about any settlements or anything have ya? thats because they are working with them. I have no issues with them just handing over data on people breaking the law.. the problem is, they are giving everything and just letting the government sort it out.. just ask susan ;) their in-house council.

[DamageX]

Originally Posted by theinsider

just ask susan ;) their in-house council.

Any council worth their name will not comment on such an issue publically and will be very reluctant to comment on it privately as well.

[CDSmith]

I predict this thread gets ugly

by Monday afternoon at the latest.

[Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE]

Either way, I am glad I am not an affiliate of theirs...

[Sebastian Sands]

This thread looks like it will get REAL ugly soon.

Sebs

[theinsider]

I'm just hoping Topbucks comes out and lies publicly so that when I post a scan of the C&D it will show the scum that they are.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by theinsider

Hey, believe me or not.. Your call.. Either way, doesnt matter to me. Just thought all should know. Regarding the letter.. Give me 24hrs and Ill post it here.. Should have it by tommorow PM. Regarding topbucks responding.. I'd like to see their response also.. they know they cannot lie, because the letters will prove they are lying. Doesn't anyone remeber Topbucks being sued by the ftc.. havent heard about any settlements or anything have ya? thats because they are working with them. I have no issues with them just handing over data on people breaking the law.. the problem is, they are giving everything and just letting the government sort it out.. just ask susan ;) their in-house council.

I'm not doubting you, I really want to see the C&D, particularly if its originating from the FTC and if it did indeed come from the TB affiliate db.
WG

[Lilit]

Hello guys!

I'd like to ask Theinsider to e-mail me that letter at nadya at topbucks.com if he doesn't want to post it here.
From my side I want to add that all information about our Affiliates is secure, however I'll double check about FTC with our legal department on Monday.
For more questions e-mail me or hit me up on ICQ.

[Humpy Leftnut]

Do the questions have to be related to this, Nadya?

[Lilit]

Originally Posted by Humpy Leftnut

Do the questions have to be related to this, Nadya?

Well...I'll answer any of your questions regarding our program with pleasure

[WarChild]

It's very possible that in an attempt to get to spammers, the FTC was able to get a court order granting them access to any records a sponsor, Topbucks in this case, might have about an affiliate the FTC is after. What choice would Topbucks have?

If the FTC equipped with the proper warrants wanted information from any US sponsor, or bank or whatever, you can be sure they'll be getting the information. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

[WiredGuy]

Originally Posted by WarChild

It's very possible that in an attempt to get to spammers, the FTC was able to get a court order granting them access to any records a sponsor, Topbucks in this case, might have about an affiliate the FTC is after. What choice would Topbucks have?

If the FTC equipped with the proper warrants wanted information from any US sponsor, or bank or whatever, you can be sure they'll be getting the information. This shouldn't be a shock to anyone.

A specific webmaster in particular, sure, but the entire database of affiliates would surprise me.
WG

[TheDoc]

It's tomorrow, where are those C&D letters?

For some reason 'two spammers' getting a C&D letter from the FTC, asking you to stop spamming TB - seems more like an issue on your end, one that pissed you guys off that you can't find anyone that will take your spam.


Tell ya this, you spam my program and I will hand your info over to the local bum if they asked and if the FTC wanted it, I would give them the kitchen sink to nail your ass with.

[BVF]

They don't want to get fined 250k like adultplayersclub.....Stop SPAMMING and you have nothing to worry about...What in the fuck is wrong with you?

[Joesho]

Well business and the FTC go hand in hand with oversite and regulation on many many industries in the USA why not "adult" online?

I mean it is well documented the abuses the "adult" online marketplace has cast out on consumers ( both willing consumers and potential consumers)

FTC oversite and data from law enforcement of some kind is natural in these types of business'

Pawn shop owners must register and verify all contact info on sellers of merchandise to them and provide it to the local police in many states as a rule of operating .

Here in Las vegas every person working in a casion or bar must obtain a sheriffs license wich requires disclosure from them and a background check before they can have the license they need to work in that field here .

Stocks and "insider trading " is illeagle and that can get a person prosecuted and/or fined for something as simple as saying "my cousing Johnny works at boeing, and said that we just got a good contract from the british to build 200 bombers, the deal will be signed next week and announced' enabling the cousin to profit on that information is punishable by prison ask Martha stewart!

So why in the world with companies and people in the in the industry coming on here and declaring " we fuck the surfer" or the often childish debates on ethics and what people think about our customers or the spam practices , shok you at all to find out that oversite is here to stay and will only grow more?

As has been said this is not new even for this industry , as many have had to work with law enforcement already in the information dept.

We are not some rougue industry and do not need or want some idiots acting like it is "us against them " when oversite and laws are concerned as that is a very moronic and imature position or attitude to hold, and surely will be temprary and painful for those who hold it.

Topbucks has always been fair to us and I am sure to all the others that promote them legally and within the prescribed oversite necassary to protect their business.

If you do not do things that way and choose to do it an other way then you get what you deserve in the end.

If you are acting within the law and not trying to push the envelope you will have nothing to worry about.

this business is growing and growing up.
Long term money is the way to think now and not money for free or easy( except of course easy money is still available in some cases like if you use a program product like our white lable solution LOL http://www.fuckinhorny.com ask us for details if you would like to know more on how to get this easy money tool for yourself to use! had to put the company plug in here too damnit I am not running for office so all this typing my opinion had to account for something)

[Snake Doctor]

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[RawAlex]

Originally Posted by Joesho

Well business and the FTC go hand in hand with oversite and regulation on many many industries in the USA why not "adult" online?

perhaps maybe they can stop sites from using 25 year old girls and calling them teens? False advertising, misleading the public.

[theinsider]

exactly Alex.. One of the guys told me that all he did was have some misleading links.. I know, he shouldn't have done it.. But I think we all have at one time or another.. The other guy, he resells traffic.. ftc said some of it was mail traffic.. either way, two different cases.. Give me till tonight.. im working on the letters! Its mothersday! hard to get a hold of anyone.

[SNL]

theinsider, do you own a digital camera?

[Juicy D. Links]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Joesho]

Originally Posted by theinsider

exactly Alex.. One of the guys told me that all he did was have some misleading links.. I know, he shouldn't have done it.. But I think we all have at one time or another.. The other guy, he resells traffic.. ftc said some of it was mail traffic.. either way, two different cases.. Give me till tonight.. im working on the letters! Its mothersday! hard to get a hold of anyone.

ahhhh so it was not just a wealth of random webmasters that got a bogus letter ( I mean Topbucks has a lot of webmasters LOL)

it was actually only two and both were doing something WRONG!
"FTC said it was mail traffic" - means against the law and has been for some time now.

"Misleading links" but only a "few" of them eh ? HAAHAH
so if you get busted only with only a "few " extacy pills there should be no problem?
or if you stole only a "few" items at the store they should have no problem with that either
or if you only peeped in a "few" windows to see a "few " naked women the other women in the area should undersandt you meant no harm????


Damn dude grow up. or get out of this business . we don't need people like you in it in any way !

[woj]

I'll take this first page seat here... carry on..

[Allison]

Originally Posted by theinsider

Just recently topbucks has began handing over all webmaster data that they have stored since their creation. This means IPs associated with webmaster data, advertising methods(referring urls), etc. The FTC is now currently building a database of webmaster info including their payout info, ips, referring urls, domains, etc. Think im bullshitting? I know 2 people personally who have received C&D's from the FTC regarding their "advertising methods." In the said letters, it specifically states that the information was gathered from the topbucks affiliate program.

Now you might be saying, who cares? Well, do you really want the government traffic you like this? I know I dont.

We at TopBucks have not provided the FTC with our webmaster database and have continued to fight the FTC case precisely due to their request for such data. The FTC's request in their injunction for webmaster data on webmasters that promote through non-spamming methods we believe is an overstretch of their authority. This is the same injunction that many other companies have already agreed to, and yet we have chosen to fight.

We are willing to comply with the FTC and report those who do violate the CAN-SPAM law as well as our Topbucks webmaster terms regarding CAN-SPAM just as much as we would report any webmaster using CP. We are a responsible company within the industry and complying with laws governining our industry is a priority for us.

From the additional comments in this email, it sounds although any webmasters who received C & D from the FTC were indeed sending emails in violation of CAN-SPAM & it's a far stretch to imply that we at TopBucks divulged our database to the FTC.

There are numerous accounts you've mentioned here which are inaccurate including who our in-house council is and judging from your post #s, I believe the TopBucks reputation would supersede yours. I'd be happy to address any legitimate webmasters who have concerns about this or our FTC case directly.

~Alli

[Jace]

play legal and fair, and you have nothing to worry about

I am a professionally run operation and have no issues with government agencies having my information acquired through a affiliate program

I pay my taxes and report my earnings already, and the more the government knows about my business and what I do, the less likely they are to come after me for anything

[Sebastian Sands]

Originally Posted by Allison

We at TopBucks have not provided the FTC with our webmaster database and have continued to fight the FTC case precisely due to their request for such data. The FTC's request in their injunction for webmaster data on webmasters that promote through non-spamming methods we believe is an overstretch of their authority. This is the same injunction that many other companies have already agreed to, and yet we have chosen to fight.

We are willing to comply with the FTC and report those who do violate the CAN-SPAM law as well as our Topbucks webmaster terms regarding CAN-SPAM just as much as we would report any webmaster using CP. We are a responsible company within the industry and complying with laws governining our industry is a priority for us.

From the additional comments in this email, it sounds although any webmasters who received C & D from the FTC were indeed sending emails in violation of CAN-SPAM & it's a far stretch to imply that we at TopBucks divulged our database to the FTC.

There are numerous accounts you've mentioned here which are inaccurate including who our in-house council is and judging from your post #s, I believe the TopBucks reputation would supersede yours. I'd be happy to address any legitimate webmasters who have concerns about this or our FTC case directly.

~Alli

Most professional post made today.

[BVF]

Originally Posted by theinsider

exactly Alex.. One of the guys told me that all he did was have some misleading links.. I know, he shouldn't have done it.. But I think we all have at one time or another..

Nope, I haven't.

[tranza]

We need some proof here.

[ronaldo]

Originally Posted by Allison

We at TopBucks have not provided the FTC with our webmaster database and have continued to fight the FTC case precisely due to their request for such data. The FTC's request in their injunction for webmaster data on webmasters that promote through non-spamming methods we believe is an overstretch of their authority. This is the same injunction that many other companies have already agreed to, and yet we have chosen to fight.

We are willing to comply with the FTC and report those who do violate the CAN-SPAM law as well as our Topbucks webmaster terms regarding CAN-SPAM just as much as we would report any webmaster using CP. We are a responsible company within the industry and complying with laws governining our industry is a priority for us.

From the additional comments in this email, it sounds although any webmasters who received C & D from the FTC were indeed sending emails in violation of CAN-SPAM & it's a far stretch to imply that we at TopBucks divulged our database to the FTC.

There are numerous accounts you've mentioned here which are inaccurate including who our in-house council is and judging from your post #s, I believe the TopBucks reputation would supersede yours. I'd be happy to address any legitimate webmasters who have concerns about this or our FTC case directly.

~Alli

Allison working on a Sunday? Must be for something important.

Update your sig Ms.President.

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by Allison

We at TopBucks have not provided the FTC with our webmaster database and have continued to fight the FTC case precisely due to their request for such data. The FTC's request in their injunction for webmaster data on webmasters that promote through non-spamming methods we believe is an overstretch of their authority. This is the same injunction that many other companies have already agreed to, and yet we have chosen to fight.

We are willing to comply with the FTC and report those who do violate the CAN-SPAM law as well as our Topbucks webmaster terms regarding CAN-SPAM just as much as we would report any webmaster using CP. We are a responsible company within the industry and complying with laws governining our industry is a priority for us.

From the additional comments in this email, it sounds although any webmasters who received C & D from the FTC were indeed sending emails in violation of CAN-SPAM & it's a far stretch to imply that we at TopBucks divulged our database to the FTC.

There are numerous accounts you've mentioned here which are inaccurate including who our in-house council is and judging from your post #s, I believe the TopBucks reputation would supersede yours. I'd be happy to address any legitimate webmasters who have concerns about this or our FTC case directly.

~Alli

Thank you for standing up to the legit affiliates such as myself. Let the cheaters burn as far as i'm concerned.

[xclusive]

Originally Posted by Jace

play legal and fair, and you have nothing to worry about

I am a professionally run operation and have no issues with government agencies having my information acquired through a affiliate program

I pay my taxes and report my earnings already, and the more the government knows about my business and what I do, the less likely they are to come after me for anything

I feel exactly the same way. It's amazing how many people in adult don't treat it like a real business. We sell things and have laws to follow just like any other biz.

[WWC]

Hmmm Your either a) a competitor or b) a pissed off webmaster who broke Topbucks' Spam rules and didnt get paid

[Jace]

Originally Posted by xclusive

I feel exactly the same way. It's amazing how many people in adult don't treat it like a real business. We sell things and have laws to follow just like any other biz.

amen brutha, a cheater is a cheater anywhere, just cause we work with people fucking and see facials all the time doesn't make it better

[SleazyDream]

why would an affilate program protect someone who is involved in illegial activity? I would think Any LEGAL upfront company like topbucks should be willing to hand over info on the people who they do business with if something looks serioulsy suspicious to proper authorties at a federal and not civil level.
handing over info to something like acacia is a different story as that's for profit out to hurt legit people but that isn't the case here.

[NTM]

Originally Posted by Aussie Rebel

1 post, hmm fake nick, is that bullshit I can smell?

yeah, like one would post something like this from their main nick.

topbucks employee especially.

[OldSchoolJim]

The FTC's request in their injunction for webmaster data on webmasters that promote through non-spamming methods we believe is an overstretch of their authority. This is the same injunction that many other companies have already agreed to, and yet we have chosen to fight.

This thread is going to deliver.....as you people all know..companies may publicly have one opinion of spam....but privately have another.....

If the spammers in question actually start to show coversation logs and emails...this is about to get very interesting....

[Basic_man]

Originally Posted by E***Jim

This thread is going to deliver.....as you people all know..companies may publicly have one opinion of spam....but privately have another.....

Here you go man, money is money!