Let me tell you a little something about Traffic Holder - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

Choker · 05-14-2007, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mitch0

Th gives best servece for sellers against choker, also they have more understadnability stats for sellers
(when i sell to chocker i even can't see my profit per day, i must make some calculation to understand this simple thing)
Chocker - u have oldest traffic system, why u didn't do this ? Useful stats it is very important for me.
btw - fpc has simple per-day stats.
About traffic quality - if u want bye quality, don't select niche-mix, bye directly from domain, select some good niche domain look at toplist to avoid cheaters - and bye, all traffic broker allow this.
Now i sell most of all to th, and rest to fpc.
Time to time i try chocker to compare, but now th better on my mind.

We do have simple per day stats. It's right on the front page when you login.

CDSmith · 05-14-2007, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Choker

Hey man, long time, yes we do take cc now

Great.

I'll have to see if I can find my old account login info.

I had a bunch of those "nest egg" points racked up a long time ago, would they still be good? :D

05-14-2007, 04:44 PM

bad move on behalf of Traffic Holder.

TrafficHolder · 05-14-2007, 04:59 PM

Choker, no worries please. I contact your 1 seller only one time
few days ago. I just asked him to try us. Anyway I appologize here
and we will never use this type of promotion. All your customers
will remain the same. We will never touch them and even talk
with them again.

Artem Guitz,
TH MEDIA

nation-x · 05-14-2007, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrafficHolder

Choker, no worries please. I contact your 1 seller only one time
few days ago. I just asked him to try us. Anyway I appologize here
and we will never use this type of promotion. All your customers
will remain the same. We will never touch them and even talk
with them again.

Artem Guitz,
TH MEDIA

Don't be such a pussy... fuck that shit... competition is the name of the game... it's not like you two are running tgps and need traffic trades. I have purchased traffic from each of you and my opinion is that neither of you have good niche traffic (from mixed sellers)... it's all shit. The only way to get good traffic from either of you is to buy from specific sellers... so that said... the only reason I see for any seller to use either of you is for the delivery system...

I think that the way either of you do things is ass backwards and why I don't sell traffic through your system. I can make way more sending it to select sponsors. In my opinion, if you approached it more like adbrite or adengage type of systems do then we would all be better off and not have your shitty traffic running rampant through the adult network. Your whole methodology is flawed from a higher perspective and you accept traffic from the shittiest sources on the net and profit through pure bullshit.

I came to this conclusion the hard way.... by wasting over $5K on it. It is funny how poorly your "niche" traffic converts... I buy $5k worth of traffic and make $200 in sales. I will admit that my experience may have been a bad one... but after 5 years in this biz (I know you have more choker) I think I have the experience to know a shitty deal when I see one.

Why am I being critical of traffic brokers? Simple... because the majority of the shittiest websites on earth make the majority of their money selling to you and you make $$$ flooding networks with it by selling it to people I consider to be idiots at this point in my adult career. Your crap traffic drives conversion rates through the roof... it eats up bandwidth... it promotes cheaters and criminals. It's no wonder that sponsors started shaving...

For a long time I subscribed to the same methodologies that I see a million other webmasters (specifically tgp webmasters) use... and it sucked. Start a tgp... buy traffic... get trades... buy more traffic... get more trades... buy more traffic... get more trades... cj... cj... cj... what a waste of fucking time. I stopped accepting trades from people I knew were buying feeder from either of you. Guess what happenned? My network grew and my sales tripled. Imagine that... So stop your fucking whining and start a service that actually contributes something... take Hunter for example... I can make $4/K selling to him... clicked traffic only... I have another broker I sell to as well and make $10/K... all clicked traffic... no skim... (Don't even ask me who it is because I won't tell you) Why don't more people sell to them? Well... first of all... it's not the "short cut"... the "easy way"...

The biggest lesson I have learned as a webmaster is that only actual work will bring long term results... I know you know that too... start promoting that and I bet you won't see the drop in traffic you guys have been seeing (or the increase in bullshit traffic). Stop petty name calling and actually compete.

rowan · 05-14-2007, 09:53 PM

nation-x, I feel you're holding back. Is there something you're not telling us?

People can still make money with skimmed broker traffic, but it's getting a lot harder. Even back in 2002-2003 when the quality was much higher I wasted a shitload of money trying to get my sites going.

rapmaster · 05-14-2007, 10:03 PM

Damn, we were going to spend about $1500 with them for our startup, but I'm having second thoughts now.

Zuzana Designs · 05-14-2007, 10:14 PM

Always done really well with Chokers traffic.. ;)

SuzzyQ · 05-14-2007, 10:26 PM

I wish it was easier to buy traffic from Choker. I feel like I have to jump through hoops.

SuzzyQ · 05-14-2007, 10:28 PM

I wish it was easier to buy traffic from Choker. I feel like I have to jump through hoops.

JuiceMonkey · 05-15-2007, 02:10 AM

What some people will do for a dollar.

05-14-2007, 10:03 PM	#57
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05-14-2007, 10:14 PM	#58
Zuzana Designs All Your Design Needs Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: [email protected] Posts: 20,851	Always done really well with Chokers traffic.. ;) __________________ Website Design - Consulting - Development sarah [at] zuzanadesigns.com - See Our Work

05-15-2007, 02:10 AM	#61
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05-14-2007, 04:44 PM	#53
ThumbLord Guest Posts: n/a	bad move on behalf of Traffic Holder.

05-14-2007, 04:59 PM	#54
TrafficHolder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 79	Choker, no worries please. I contact your 1 seller only one time few days ago. I just asked him to try us. Anyway I appologize here and we will never use this type of promotion. All your customers will remain the same. We will never touch them and even talk with them again. Artem Guitz, TH MEDIA

05-14-2007, 09:53 PM	#56
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	nation-x, I feel you're holding back. Is there something you're not telling us? People can still make money with skimmed broker traffic, but it's getting a lot harder. Even back in 2002-2003 when the quality was much higher I wasted a shitload of money trying to get my sites going.

05-14-2007, 10:26 PM	#59
SuzzyQ Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Along the shore. Posts: 1,557	I wish it was easier to buy traffic from Choker. I feel like I have to jump through hoops.

05-14-2007, 10:28 PM	#60
SuzzyQ Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Along the shore. Posts: 1,557	I wish it was easier to buy traffic from Choker. I feel like I have to jump through hoops.