Let me tell you a little something about Traffic Holder
 

I have no problem with competition, I like it, however this guy has absolutely no morals. Here is a icq he sends to by buyers and sellers, he got his start by soliciting every single one of my buyers and sellers.

Typical ICQ message from Traffic Holder..............

"I noticed that you selling traffic to chokertraffic.com
Our company (trafficholder.com) offer the same business, but we larger than choker about 4 times (because we pay more... our fee is 5% only instead of choker's 30%)What about to try us? You really will be satisfied more. We have the biggest sellers from choker (including many of your large traders as well)

First of all TH the stats I display PUBLICLY are only a fraction of what I do. You copied my system to the letter, didn't even bother to change a word, that's fine I am flattered. But to solicit my sellers and buyers , well that shows what sort of person you are.

Now as far as all the sellers that sell to you and not me anymore, well 50% of them had pure shit traffic, the rest of them have not figured out what you are doing yet. They will in time.

You only take 5% commission? I guess you get free credit card processing, free labor, free servers, no epassporte fees, yada yada yada.

I'm not saying you are doing this, but if I were a piece of shit, I would skim the fuck out of the guys selling to me, hell they check their stats maybe , MAYBE the first week they start sending to you then don't bother anymore. Then I would buy tons of cheap Russian, Chinese, hell how about a little Brazil traffic thrown in for fun

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...chol der.com/

Most buyers don't even bother to check where the traffic comes from. But I'm not a piece of shit so I would never do this.


In closing please enlighten all us oldtimers, hell enlighten every entrepenuer who ever lived on this planet, how in the hell you can run a LEGIT operation while only taking 5% BEFORE expenses? Or even AFTER expenses for that matter. Not even Donald Trump could pull that one off.

ohh don't think thats a good way to run bussiness.. i haven;t buy traffic but ill keep this in mind...

I bought traffic from them one time and it was not a great experience at all... :(

Tom, if you think THAT is bad, you should see the backstabbing going on among sponsors. :winkwink:

No excuse for it though, it's a shitty, low-life practice.

choker your traffic has always been topnotch.. don't let these guys phase you.. i know and a whole lot of others know where quality is and will continue to stick with your traffic

Yah, Karma always wins in the end though

Thanks, we work hard to keep the quality up, jsut put in some new filters this last week. Productivity is way up already. Bad thing is we have to constantly change our filtering because of the cheaters.

got the same crap from TH

jesus thats fucking scary and should be made VERY public!!!!!

Im so glad I chose Choker! :)

Howmuch i know trafficholder is mostly promoted by people who send hitbot traffic.

You might wanna shut the fuck up if you have no idea what you're talking about. They may be approaching Chokertraffic clients, but they're not stupid. Reselling hitbot traffic would get them outed in a split second and would damage their bottom line A LOT, if not even make it disappear altogether.

sorry, noob question.....

whats "hitbot traffic"?

thanks in advance

Artificially generated traffic, not human.

I second that, and get this one, when you apply for an account, before you can add money, this person wants a photo copy of your credit card! That was a first to me.

TrafficHolder is a worthless piece of shit operation with horrible traffic.

Choker for teh winzzz!

Choker A+
Anyone who buys traffic from a company who can't even put a sales email together... ugh you deserve what you get.

Makes you think, don't it?

That's probably the worst sales pitch I've ever had the chance to read.

from my experience choker is topnotch

thanks :thumbsup

I promote both of them.

But, if anyone copied a website, you should enforce your copyright.


BUY TRAFFIC/ SELL TRAFFIC

Click on these links now:

Choker Traffic

Traffic Holder

This is all well and good but now get back to work and approve my URL's and shit..

:thumbsup

:bowdown...

I've given both Traffic Holder and Choker Traffic fair tries. I have bought the same amount of traffic, targeting the same niches. I've tried both 3 times. 2/3 times Choker Traffic converted so that I got my investment back and then some. Traffic Holder was 0/3. Also I my own stats showed that Choker Traffic delivered the promised traffic, actually a little more. Traffic Holder 2/3 times actually delivered less than what was purchased.

To anyone new who is thinking about buying traffic I would suggest Choker over Traffic Holder. The one thing I'll give Traffic Holder is that their interface and site design is way better than Choker.

I've bought TrafficHolder, Traffic Adept and FPC recently...

I hate the Traffic holder interface for buying traffic and the results were "ok"... But my impression is that the quality has gone to shit as more and more people jump on the bandwagon. If you're paying the "best" out there, you're a magnet for cheaters and crap traffic. I've stopped buying traffic from them as it seems to me they're simply in it for the money now and don't really care about all the crap they have... Also, although I didn't check, from the categories that they have most of their traffic in, I suspect a lot of it is eatern european. I don't plan on using them ever again.

I REALLY like the interface from TrafficAdept.. If I wanted some teen, babe, asian and latina traffic mixed, I can select all 4 in one operation (purchase). Prod seemed better than TH... But delivery was an issue. I hope they get it back up and running in better shape.

Right now I'm just buying some from FPC... I've thought about trying choker but his prices always seem more expensive than anyone else and the system looks more confusing.

you forgot the other big traffic loser on here, I know for a fact he sells fake traffic. I have seen others mention it and not sure why it does not come to light. My facts are ready for when I see a thread with the same details

Names, please?

Yeah, please tell us who this is already.

you mean traffic holder?


what traffic broker company accept epass and major creditcard without asking a photocopy etc etc.? not a problem for me thought it needs extra effort :)

I'm ready to buy some more traffic right away here. Seems like Trafficholder is in no hurry to get back to me though, my first contact with them went unanswered for 6 days, and the current ICQ I have into them has gone unanswered for 4 days now.

Not impressive.



Choker, it's been a while since you and I did business. Could be a good time to change that.

Are you able to take CC payments yet?

Wow, how did I miss this thread.

Jeez, that's pretty low; directly soliciting your clients with an email like that.

Tempest: Thanks for giving us a try. Just hit me up if you have any questions about the traffic you are getting. I'm always here to help with recommendations on traffic. I know we've got quite a bit of choice, so it can be confusing.

[email protected] or icq:143720824

i havent bought from either...

havent bought from TH dont think i will

choker has always delivered the goods 4 me so no need to look elsewhere

30% commission for Choker? Is TH wrong or did I miss a change somewhere?

The same way big PPS programs offer $75 - $100 per signup.

We all know how they do that.....:(

the prod was horrible when i ordered from them, but i do see a lot of tgp/mgps using them to sell traffic.

I think TH is the only one asking for that. We don't. But then again, we have our own anti-fraud measures.

I'd like to see their reply...

umm...gee..hmm...hmm...lemme think. hmm...............

Traffic Holder the best traffic broker

Th gives best servece for sellers against choker, also they have more understadnability stats for sellers
(when i sell to chocker i even can't see my profit per day, i must make some calculation to understand this simple thing)
Chocker - u have oldest traffic system, why u didn't do this ? Useful stats it is very important for me.
btw - fpc has simple per-day stats.
About traffic quality - if u want bye quality, don't select niche-mix, bye directly from domain, select some good niche domain look at toplist to avoid cheaters - and bye, all traffic broker allow this.
Now i sell most of all to th, and rest to fpc.
Time to time i try chocker to compare, but now th better on my mind.

You're not really expecting one, are you? :winkwink: :winkwink:

As in everything in this world, you get what you pay for.

I've heard plenty of whining from webmasters saying TH traffic (and some others) doesn't convert shit. Probably it's as much to do with where you are sending it as the source.

As for the email, no, it's not "nice" but hell TV commercials compare themselves to competition all the time (taste tests, etc.) - the only problem I see is if he outright lies, which you claim he has. Not nice.

Choker,

The first thing, I've contacted sellers only few times, if we
were unable to fill out all buying orders. I never spam
your sellers, I just spoke with few of them.

Second thing about fee, yes we take 5% fee and as I told
before at another board, we currently only cover our expenses with
this low fee. Host we do not lease, we own. CC fees paying
by buyers. We accept ePassporte without fees.

Regarding sellers, many of banned sellers in our system still
selling traffic to you. We have no hitbot traffic, our monitoring
system is extremely strong. Moreover, we do not accept traffic
from new sellers by default, we accept traffic from older,
established and reputable sites where we carefully review
trader's list and everything regarding seller when he apply
tof a traffic sales.

And regarding "the rest of them have not figured out what you are doing yet".
We work with them for almost one year, I think that is enough time
to "figure out"

The best way to ensure that we do not sell hit bot and low quality traffic,
that is simply review our sellers list.

Those who was not satisfied with traffic productivity, the best way is
to buy traffic by domain/referrer with a best prod at your site. Mixed
traffic rarely will show good results

He's wrong and he knows it, he outright lies about me.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

ummmm, you just changed that today after you got outted...

I appologize. Yes, your commission is little higher (35-45%). I was wrong,
but I was wrong in your way.

Took from your Sellers/Resell FAQ

"If you do choose to let us try to sell your traffic through other niches, any sold traffic through our niches will still earn you 55% to 65% of the retail price"

lol i noticed that too

It's actually 65% of the retail price, thing is EVERY buyer gets 10% to 20% off retail, do the math.

Hey man, long time, yes we do take cc now