The death of the dialer - GoFuckYourself.com

emjay · 05-08-2007, 02:37 AM

In theory, the dialer was the perfect billing mechanism to convert international surfers into paying customers.

End-users would simply download some software onto their PC?s, which then reconnected to your members area via a premium number, and they would pay you on a per-minute basis.

In practice, however, the dialer-era was short lived for a variety of reasons.

When they first emerged, surfers worldwide (most of whom do not have a credit card) finally had a way of paying for premium content. Not surprisingly, webmasters that implemented dialers were delighted also ? a brand new revenue stream overnight from surfers who were visiting their sites anyway.

Unfortunately, several crooks were also drawn to the money making potential afforded by dialers and started creating variants with malicious code that would either make it difficult for the user to disconnect or, worse still, would then reconnect to a premium rate number every time the user would connect via modem to the Web ? leading to horrendous phone bills.

This in turn was disasterous PR for the dialer, and to make matters worse several phone companies refused to carry data (dialer) traffic in conjunction with premium rate numbers.

To compound the problem, a range of viruses were making regular unwelcome appearances throughout the Web, leading to surfers becoming suspicious before downloading any software onto their PCs from third parties they did not trust - besides which, countless OS warnings were a real turn off for the turned on surfer...

Furthermore, increasing broadband penetration had rendered the old-style dialer obsolete anyway.

For broadband customers, phone billing now exists whereby access to a website is granted as long as the customer stays connected to a premium rate line by phone.

However, these products are wholly inadequate for the majority of the world?s surfers who do not have the luxury of a spare line, since one phone line is usually needed for access to the web.

Our solution requires no software download and works with ALL types of internet connection.

Surfers simply dial a premium number from their landline or cell - the ordering process for the required password generates the revenue.

Once "inside", the billing clock is no longer ticking which is why this way of paying is popular with surfers worldwide.

And since this is voice, not data traffic, all telcos are happy to work with us and we can offer 100% geographical reach - including China

So while the dialer may have died, the underlying billing mechanism on which it was based is still alive and kickin' - thus allowing webmasters to still make money on a global scale

ytcracker · 05-08-2007, 02:46 AM

i actually read this post insightful

i pushed moneytrees dialer heavy and made some good coin off of it

polle54 · 05-08-2007, 02:49 AM

fine informative spam marc

ytcracker · 05-08-2007, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by polle54

fine informative spam marc

DO NOT DRAW ATTENTION TO THE OBVIOUS

polle54 · 05-08-2007, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ytcracker

DO NOT DRAW ATTENTION TO THE OBVIOUS

well I actually enjoyed reading it - although I would never catagorize this as something different than spam.

Hence what I wrote...

If I didn't point out the obvious wouldn't you have told me I was an idiot for not realizing the obvious?

xato · 05-08-2007, 03:25 AM

may he rest in peace

Tim · 05-08-2007, 03:52 AM

Well written

wyldworx · 05-08-2007, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ytcracker

i actually read this post insightful

i pushed moneytrees dialer heavy and made some good coin off of it

agreed. Great reading, and a great insight.

headless ghost · 05-08-2007, 04:01 AM

congratulations!
you win the fifth grade english composition contest!

Webby · 05-08-2007, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by emjay

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Unfortunately, several crooks were also drawn to the money making potential afforded by dialers and started creating variants with malicious code that would either make it difficult for the user to disconnect or, worse still, would then reconnect to a premium rate number every time the user would connect via modem to the Web ? leading to horrendous phone bills.

Another example of this biz being it's worst enemy Marc.

Can remember earning very serious money from this before the term "dialer" was even used - then along came the scammers and the "dialer" term was founded - then everyone and his dog became a "dialer agent"

BTW... Agree with the rest of your post - the basics and principle still still remain valid as an earning tool

Vlad · 05-08-2007, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by headless ghost

congratulations!
you win the fifth grade english composition contest!

STFU

nice post emjay !

Dennis69 · 05-08-2007, 04:43 AM

I made big dollars off dialers till the crooks fucked it all up

Amazing how this industry is it's own worst enemy!

emjay · 05-08-2007, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Dennis69

I made big dollars off dialers till the crooks fucked it all up

Amazing how this industry is it's own worst enemy!

How true.

I hope the post helps dispel the notion many webmasters still have, namely that PasswordByPhone is a dialer - it is not.

MaDalton · 05-08-2007, 06:49 AM

actually this is a very funny post

ytcracker · 05-08-2007, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by polle54

well I actually enjoyed reading it - although I would never catagorize this as something different than spam.

Hence what I wrote...

If I didn't point out the obvious wouldn't you have told me I was an idiot for not realizing the obvious?

i was only kidding

AlexShark · 10-01-2007, 04:22 AM

There are dialer companys making way more than what pbp do these days still just they keep themselves underground for obvious reasons

Vick! · 10-01-2007, 05:41 AM

Good read!

ManuelX · 02-13-2008, 03:59 AM

While I agree that the dialer bussiness is facing uncertainn times due mainly to fraudulent methods, voice billing is a alive and well, a great way to increase your revenue, there are billions of users out there, who are not able to pay with credit card or are not willing to do so. Our voice billing system offers in one package worldwide voice and SMS billing, fully customizable by the program owner. We have been in the bussines long enough to know

Bojangles · 02-13-2008, 04:15 AM

Nice post.

v4 media · 02-13-2008, 05:55 AM

Dialers worked so well for Spanish traffic, they weren't stupidly expensive, about $1 a minute.
But the government got involved, and then people realised they could charge it back through the phone company no questions asked.
my minutes went from 500 a day to about 50, ontop of old charge backs I ended up going negative. That was damn painful.

ServerGenius · 02-13-2008, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by v4 media

Dialers worked so well for Spanish traffic, they weren't stupidly expensive, about $1 a minute.
But the government got involved, and then people realised they could charge it back through the phone company no questions asked.
my minutes went from 500 a day to about 50, ontop of old charge backs I ended up going negative. That was damn painful.

I know we made $150k a month of Spanish Dialers back in the day.....good
times.....they got banned in Spain overnight

ADL Colin · 02-13-2008, 06:14 AM

well written. And maybe a microcosm of our industry in general.

Violetta · 02-13-2008, 06:58 AM

I have never touched dialers...

TSV · 02-13-2008, 07:30 AM

Next big thing in billing will be mobile internet sites

Phoenix · 02-13-2008, 08:36 AM

good bump..still need to bill those people

global-girl · 02-14-2008, 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by TSV

Next big thing in billing will be mobile internet sites

Nocreditcard · 02-14-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by v4 media

Dialers worked so well for Spanish traffic, they weren't stupidly expensive, about $1 a minute.
But the government got involved, and then people realised they could charge it back through the phone company no questions asked.
my minutes went from 500 a day to about 50, ontop of old charge backs I ended up going negative. That was damn painful.

Dialers disappeared in Spain, but not porn surfers

Phone and SMS billing are now very popular in Spain :

For instance, Spanish pays now approximately $1.70 per minute (by phone), and with Cool Access, you can earn up to $16 per password (or $1.2 per minute).

Just hit me on icq if you want to make money again with your spanish traffic

Thibaud
icq 211956332

05-08-2007, 02:37 AM	#1
emjay Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Back in Blighty Posts: 4,280	The death of the dialer In theory, the dialer was the perfect billing mechanism to convert international surfers into paying customers. End-users would simply download some software onto their PC?s, which then reconnected to your members area via a premium number, and they would pay you on a per-minute basis. In practice, however, the dialer-era was short lived for a variety of reasons. When they first emerged, surfers worldwide (most of whom do not have a credit card) finally had a way of paying for premium content. Not surprisingly, webmasters that implemented dialers were delighted also ? a brand new revenue stream overnight from surfers who were visiting their sites anyway. Unfortunately, several crooks were also drawn to the money making potential afforded by dialers and started creating variants with malicious code that would either make it difficult for the user to disconnect or, worse still, would then reconnect to a premium rate number every time the user would connect via modem to the Web ? leading to horrendous phone bills. This in turn was disasterous PR for the dialer, and to make matters worse several phone companies refused to carry data (dialer) traffic in conjunction with premium rate numbers. To compound the problem, a range of viruses were making regular unwelcome appearances throughout the Web, leading to surfers becoming suspicious before downloading any software onto their PCs from third parties they did not trust - besides which, countless OS warnings were a real turn off for the turned on surfer... Furthermore, increasing broadband penetration had rendered the old-style dialer obsolete anyway. For broadband customers, phone billing now exists whereby access to a website is granted as long as the customer stays connected to a premium rate line by phone. However, these products are wholly inadequate for the majority of the world?s surfers who do not have the luxury of a spare line, since one phone line is usually needed for access to the web. Our solution requires no software download and works with ALL types of internet connection. Surfers simply dial a premium number from their landline or cell - the ordering process for the required password generates the revenue. Once "inside", the billing clock is no longer ticking which is why this way of paying is popular with surfers worldwide. And since this is voice, not data traffic, all telcos are happy to work with us and we can offer 100% geographical reach - including China So while the dialer may have died, the underlying billing mechanism on which it was based is still alive and kickin' - thus allowing webmasters to still make money on a global scale __________________ I Run 500+ WhatsApp Groups. The Zuck Owns Me www.emjayconsultancy.com

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ManuelX Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Andorra Posts: 657	great way to earn extra revenue While I agree that the dialer bussiness is facing uncertainn times due mainly to fraudulent methods, voice billing is a alive and well, a great way to increase your revenue, there are billions of users out there, who are not able to pay with credit card or are not willing to do so. Our voice billing system offers in one package worldwide voice and SMS billing, fully customizable by the program owner. We have been in the bussines long enough to know

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v4 media Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Spain Posts: 2,934	Dialers worked so well for Spanish traffic, they weren't stupidly expensive, about $1 a minute. But the government got involved, and then people realised they could charge it back through the phone company no questions asked. my minutes went from 500 a day to about 50, ontop of old charge backs I ended up going negative. That was damn painful.

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