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badmunchkin 05-08-2007 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12390383)
Somehow Neal Peart has more respect than any other Canadian artist among musicians.

I can go with Neil Peart as a rock god :thumbsup

badmunchkin 05-08-2007 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12390373)
If we're going by whether anyone would recognize the "rock star" if they walked into a room, then I'll add Geddy Lee to the list of Gods. Started in the late 60's and still going strong today, Rush really should be ranked up there with the rest who've been mentioned.

Any decent Canadian who says he wouldn't recognize Geddy needs a bitchslap.

I don't really get the whole "recognizing" thing anyways - that has to do with being a "product" not a rock god. To me there are no bigger rock gods then Pink Floyd and their own fans didn't recognize them. They specifically said once after a show they went out where all the fans were leaving the show and not one single fan recognized them :1orglaugh But they are rock gods unquestionably and nonetheless. To me most of the recognizable rockers like Kiss & Kid Rock are just utterly cheeseball - who cares if you can recognize them - they still suck.

CDSmith 05-08-2007 01:22 AM

Anyone wanting to read up about the history of Rush should check this site out... (turn speakers off, cheesy embedded music alert!)
http://www.erikandanna.com/Rush/history_of_rush.htm

There's a ton of stuff I didn't know about the band and it's 3 members in there. Long read but well worth the effort.

TBrown 05-08-2007 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12389655)
How about Snoop Dogg?

surely is:thumbsup

badmunchkin 05-08-2007 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12389905)
The definition of a rock star is an recording artist who is universally known.

He or she can go into a club full of the most ghetto black people or the most white trash rednecks and most of the people would not only recognize that person but they would also know some of his songs.

Not to mention being able to travel worldwide and not be able to walk down the street without being swamped for autographs.

Chris Cornell - He could walk into a mallrat shopping mall and most people wouldn't recognize him.

Eddie Veddar - Same for Eddie, unless he started singing over the PA... they might think its Daughtry though.

Layne Staley - Nope, not a chance.

Rob Zombie - Somewhat.

Scott Stapp - Nope. Doesn't fit the description.

Trent Reznor - I like trent and his music, I have even met him but I still might not even recognize him in a crowd.


None of them can even stand next to Snoop Dogg without getting trampled.

All the current Rockstars of the last 17 years are Rappers.

actually the more I think about this, the more wrong I think you are. That's pop star bullshit - Madonna and Michael Jackson - you look at Led Zeppelin or Pink Floyd or even Black Sabbath who were the original rock stars and the inspiration for 90% of rock music today and none of those guys were that recognizable - sure everyone knows Ozzy today, but they know him more for a sitcom on MTV then for being a rock star - 20 years ago your average American housewife would see him in a mall and just think he was some freak :1orglaugh

Most of the rock artists who have had music that has stood the test of time have not been that recognizable - and have kept themselves off the radar for the most part. Maynard from Tool is a rock star - Trent Reznor is a rock star - Robert Plant, Ozzy, Chris Cornell, Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Brian Johnson, Jimmy Page, - y'know what - your average person on the street wouldn't "recognize" any of those guys (except Ozzy & only 'cuz of his show)

The guys who play the celeb game are usually talentless bottom feeders - who cares if Kid Rock or Fred Durst are in the news tomorrow? I mean, c'mon, is that your definition of a rock star? That's not being a rock star - that's hollywood squares bullshit - none of those guys will have any lasting effect on music as we know it & they sure as hell don't define rock star to anyone with taste in music :2 cents:

fuckingfuck 05-08-2007 02:04 AM

There is nothing worse than American Rock (now). You have to look at the Brits.

Empress_JoinRightNow 05-08-2007 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12389634)
Having a discussion with a friend . . . who would you consider to be a rock star that came into prominence since 1990? Not a resurgence, but started 1990 or later

Kurt Cobain of Nirvana...that's for sure...

Sarah_Jayne 05-08-2007 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mattz (Post 12389717)
I would guess the majority of people don't know who most of them are, which means they arn't are rockstar. Everyone knows who Hendrix, Morrison ect are

I only know a few from the list you posted

The majority here haven't heard of Marylin Manson? I am not the biggest fan but Manson as an individual has reached the 'rock star' level as far as recognition and being 'mythical' to a degree. He has scared parents and packed out stadiums for over a decade (heck, I knew about him in high school and I graduated in 1995). By the same reason that Snoop was included I would say Manson qualifies.

ADL Josh 05-08-2007 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12389634)
Having a discussion with a friend . . . who would you consider to be a rock star that came into prominence since 1990? Not a resurgence, but started 1990 or later

on any given "night out on the town," I like to think I'm a rockstar....or at least I party like one:thumbsup

Sarah_Jayne 05-08-2007 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12389800)
There is no argument that she led the life though.

or in the long term is it more about having died the death? Much in the same way that Cobain will be remembered more because he died before fading away.

Sarah_Jayne 05-08-2007 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by hzoltan (Post 12390355)

Fuck your Yankee Blue Jeans.

IllTestYourGirls 05-08-2007 06:56 AM

Maynard James Keenan - Tool

If you think Trent Reznor was after 1990 than you have to say Mike Patton was to.

So Mike Patton (mad scientist of rock) - Faith No More - Mr Bungle- Fantomas -Tomahawk Go to a show and tell me he isnt a rock star :thumbsup

Rock isnt pop anymore. But there are a lot of rockstars left.

evildick 05-08-2007 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mattz (Post 12389717)
I would guess the majority of people don't know who most of them are, which means they arn't are rockstar. Everyone knows who Hendrix, Morrison ect are

I only know a few from the list you posted

Part of the reason everyone knows them is because they died young. Especially Morrison...probably one of the most overrated singers of our time. I like some of their music but I don't think they deserve the attention they seem to get. If he hadn't OD'd, would Oliver Stone have made a movie about him? Probably not.

Manowar 05-08-2007 07:15 AM

i'd go with cobain and manson

Bryan G 05-08-2007 08:36 AM

Gallagher Brothers for sure

Sarah_Jayne 05-08-2007 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Platinum Bryan (Post 12391971)
Gallagher Brothers for sure

They were the two that came to my mind straight away but didn't know if it was that strong outside of the UK. Inside the UK the Gallaghers have been every inch the rock stars.

IllTestYourGirls 05-08-2007 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash (Post 12392147)
They were the two that came to my mind straight away but didn't know if it was that strong outside of the UK. Inside the UK the Gallaghers have been every inch the rock stars.

You mena the two brothers that smash fruit on stage? :1orglaugh jk

Lykos 05-08-2007 09:24 AM

not much for sure...they will need few more years to become big anyway,they are just 10-15 yrs old:)

FetishWeb 05-08-2007 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12389634)
Having a discussion with a friend . . . who would you consider to be a rock star that came into prominence since 1990? Not a resurgence, but started 1990 or later


Guns N' Roses was the last "rock star" type band. Even though they were formed in the 80's they hit "rock star" status in 91-92 when they were the most popular band in the world.

No other bands have come even close in terms of popularity or music. Even if you count grunge like Nirvana and angry "anti-pop" corporate bullshit like marilyn manson they still come nowhere close.

Sarah_Jayne 05-08-2007 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 12392232)
You mena the two brothers that smash fruit on stage? :1orglaugh jk

lol...those Watermelons haven't been safe since

Sarah_Jayne 05-08-2007 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FetishWeb (Post 12392294)
Guns N' Roses was the last "rock star" type band. Even though they were formed in the 80's they hit "rock star" status in 91-92 when they were the most popular band in the world.

No other bands have come even close in terms of popularity or music. Even if you count grunge like Nirvana and angry "anti-pop" corporate bullshit like marilyn manson they still come nowhere close.

I read a book a while back called 'Fargo Rock City' which was a writer remembering being a kid growing up as a metal fan and his whole thesis was that Nirvana killed GnR and therefore the rock star.

baddog 05-08-2007 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pornwolf (Post 12390308)
It's funny you say that CD Smith. I would say the young parents of today ie: the 35-45 crowd, have more in common musically with their kids than any other generation ever. They may not go to the same shows but they will listen to the same radio stations and watch the same videos.

But, try to tell that to the kids. They will deny it til they turn blue. Hahaha

I am hardly a young parent, and there is a good chance I am the exception to the rule, but my kids (especially my daughter) pretty much have the same musical tastes as me. She even asked me to go to see Aerosmith with her when she was 18.

I was honored.

buzzy 05-08-2007 10:33 AM

chris cornell? LMFAO

rock stars since the 1990's without a doubt has to be liam gallaghar

baddog 05-08-2007 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by badmunchkin (Post 12390360)
not true because even the average people that don't recognize him as Trent Reznor still recognize him as Professor Snape :winkwink:

http://www.black-sun.demon.co.uk/img/snape-reznor.jpg

Don't recognize any of those pics.


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Originally Posted by Sarah_MaxCash (Post 12391267)
The majority here haven't heard of Marylin Manson? I am not the biggest fan but Manson as an individual has reached the 'rock star' level as far as recognition and being 'mythical' to a degree. He has scared parents and packed out stadiums for over a decade (heck, I knew about him in high school and I graduated in 1995). By the same reason that Snoop was included I would say Manson qualifies.

Manson was formed in 1989 . . . I would be surprised if he sold out stadiums for over a decade unless you count high school football stadiums.

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Originally Posted by ADL Josh (Post 12391299)
on any given "night out on the town," I like to think I'm a rockstar....or at least I party like one:thumbsup

Actually how the conversation started . . . she calls me a rock star at times. :1orglaugh

CDSmith 05-08-2007 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12392566)
Actually how the conversation started . . . she calls me a rock star at times. :1orglaugh

ahahahaa... that right therre is good for at least another 3-4 pages of drama.

Nicely played sir. :D

CDSmith 05-08-2007 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by badmunchkin (Post 12390512)
sure everyone knows Ozzy today, but they know him more for a sitcom on MTV then for being a rock star - 20 years ago your average American housewife would see him in a mall and just think he was some freak :1orglaugh

While I agree to a point with some of what you said in that post, I'll have to disagree with this one. For one, most American housewives back then didn't even listen to rock. We must be talking about recognizeability among fans of rock, not parents whoi don't or didn't even listen to it.

Secondly, Ozzy's face was front and center on at least one of his albums back then. That was long before any TV show was ever concieved. Millions of fans would have instantly recognized him back then from that alone.

Same with Alice Cooper for that matter. Very recognizeable face, for decades now. Would my mom or dad know him? Of course not. But I would. So would just about everyone I know in my age bracket.

I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned Cooper in this thread before now. Or the brothers Gibb for that matter. The Bee Gees get overlooked in these discussions because of their association with disco, and people tend to forget just how massive they were through the 70's. They did a lot of rock stuff in the 60's though, and let's face it, whether people want to admit it or not disco is an offshoot of pop rock.

A lot of parents today and people in the 30-50+ age bracket would know these guys to see them. Ozzy, Cooper, Bee Gees.

Jman 05-08-2007 11:01 AM

Bono is an Icon of a RockStar

stev0 05-08-2007 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12389851)
None these days strike me as being as iconic and "huge rock star"-ish as a Hendrix, Robert Plant, Jagger, Roger Daltry, John Lennon, Elton John, etc etc.

Those guys are gods.

There are no new gods.

Give it another decade or two... Those guys are all from the same era, todays music will be the "classics" some day and our classics will be forgotten.

baddog 05-08-2007 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12392579)
ahahahaa... that right therre is good for at least another 3-4 pages of drama.

Nicely played sir. :D

I have lived the life more than some of the people mentioned thus far. :1orglaugh

baddog 05-08-2007 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12392670)

I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned Cooper in this thread before now. Or the brothers Gibb for that matter. The Bee Gees get overlooked in these discussions because of their association with disco, and people tend to forget just how massive they were through the 70's.

Because this is a post-1990 discussion?

baddog 05-08-2007 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by stev0 (Post 12392739)
Give it another decade or two... Those guys are all from the same era, todays music will be the "classics" some day and our classics will be forgotten.

Highly doubtful. Snoop is the only one named (besides the dead guy) that stands a chance.

buzzy 05-08-2007 11:21 AM

liam gallaghar
zach de la rocha/tom morello

kurt kobain is debatable, one good album and took loads of drugs? if that makes you a rockstar then alot more people from the 90's fall into that category (pete doherty lol)

bns666 05-08-2007 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by badmunchkin (Post 12389754)
Chris Cornell - lead singer of Soundgarden & Audioslave, 2 of the biggest bands in the world - total rock star

Eddie Veddar - Pearl Jam

The 1st of April passed some time ago... :)

buzzy 05-08-2007 11:26 AM

anyone can take drugs, im pretty sure kurt kobain couldnt fight he was small and thin

Sarah_Jayne 05-08-2007 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12392566)
Don't recognize any of those pics.




Manson was formed in 1989 . . . I would be surprised if he sold out stadiums for over a decade unless you count high school football stadiums.

I don't know the date of their first real record, etc but they certainly became known in the 90's. As far as packing places out...well, when I moved to the UK in 1996 they were packing places out and headlining festivals and last year they were still headlining festivals here.

Now, I think he is overrated but he - as an individual - has lived what you call 'the life' right down to the porn star wife and being blamed for every bit of teenage violence for years. You don't have to actually like his music to recognize he is at that level.

badmunchkin 05-08-2007 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 12392566)
Don't recognize any of those pics.
:1orglaugh

well, the guy on the left is Trent Reznor from NIN, I will go as far to say the most influential band of the 90s (sorry, but a couple albums from Nirvana just doesn't stack up to the overall impact of NIN on rock music) and the guy on the right is Alan Rickman/Professor Snape from the movie Harry Potter, c'mon, who hasn't seen a Harry Potter movie? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

badmunchkin 05-08-2007 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith (Post 12392670)
While I agree to a point with some of what you said in that post, I'll have to disagree with this one. For one, most American housewives back then didn't even listen to rock. We must be talking about recognizeability among fans of rock, not parents whoi don't or didn't even listen to it.

Secondly, Ozzy's face was front and center on at least one of his albums back then. That was long before any TV show was ever concieved. Millions of fans would have instantly recognized him back then from that alone.

Same with Alice Cooper for that matter. Very recognizeable face, for decades now. Would my mom or dad know him? Of course not. But I would. So would just about everyone I know in my age bracket.

I'm actually surprised no one has mentioned Cooper in this thread before now. Or the brothers Gibb for that matter. The Bee Gees get overlooked in these discussions because of their association with disco, and people tend to forget just how massive they were through the 70's. They did a lot of rock stuff in the 60's though, and let's face it, whether people want to admit it or not disco is an offshoot of pop rock.

A lot of parents today and people in the 30-50+ age bracket would know these guys to see them. Ozzy, Cooper, Bee Gees.

well, what I was saying was based on a quote from Pornwolf, who said they would need to be recognized by not just your average rock fan, but by your average person, be they country boys or kids living in the ghetto. yea, rock fans knew him, but hip hoppers & suburban housewives I think would just wonder who the freak with the crazy hair was. :)

http://blogs.citypages.com/ctg/images/Ozzy.jpg

drowsy 05-08-2007 12:44 PM

Thom Yorke

quiet 05-08-2007 12:48 PM

hmm... Kurt Cobain, Marilyn Manson and the Gallaghar brothers (Oasis). that's about it. maybe GnR, but they were already huge by 1990.

WhiplashDug 05-08-2007 12:49 PM

what about Maynard Keenan from TOOL?

Does he qualify as a rock star?


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