You are absolutely right... except about the mystique part. The top rappers have it in spades. Bad Boys, against the law, scares your parents... etc.


All rock needs now are some bad ass white boys to pick up the slack. What happened to all the rebels? Tommy Lee, David Lee Roth, Steven Tyler etc. All I see are guys with eyeliner and tight pants. WTF is that about?

Bradly Nowell.. late 80s i think
Anthony Kiedis.. eventhough he started in the 80s

Is not this thread all about perspective ?

Now even from the names above from CD, I PERSONALLY would not use Plant or even Daltry in the same sentence as Hendrix, Jagger, John or Lennon, but then yet again I also agree, because in my mind not even Marilyn Manson would rate on that "2nd's list" as rock stars IMHO, as would pretty much nobody except **maybe** Cobain.

The rappers redefined living and partying like rockstars, but in terms of longevity or influence over multiple generations ?

Not every household has even a RUN DMC album, but be sure someone, somewhere has something by the Stones.

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perfectly said.

I know the names and their bands, but I wouldn't recognize any of those guys unlesss they had a name tag on. :1orglaugh

Snoop Dog I'd recognize, and I don't even like rap.

You nailed it.



As to "perspective" and "when you grew up", I don't agree with that. I grew up in the 70's, but I can fully or at least somewhat appreciate the iconic hugeness of 50's rock stars, Elvis, the Beatles, Dion, Fabien, Buddy Holly, etc. You don't have to have lived through an era to appreciate that level of greatness and fame.

Too bad so many kids today who grew up in the 80's and 90's have little or no concept of giving the "gods" their due.Calling Jagger, Plant, Daltry, Morrisson, etc "old farts" just smacks of someone who knows shit about rock history and having no sense of respect for the music. How can you say you love rock yet not know enough to give a nod to the gods who led the way?

Oh good Lord.....

Sebastian Bach (born Sebastian Philip Bierk, on April 3, 1968) is a Canadian heavy metal singer, best known as ex-frontman of Skid Row.

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Yeah, I was going to day, David Coverdale IS Whitesnake.

Dave Grohl - Foo Fighters are great and they put on an amazing show live too which I think is a big part of being a Rock Star. Plus I'm not sure how many people could step out from behind the drums and be a great frontman but he pulled it off.

I don't know if you're referring to me personally or just younger people in general, but I already stated I am majorly influenced by most of those bands, even though they aren't of my generation. Jim Morrison was always a total god to me. I love Led Zeppelin - Pink Floyd is one of my favorite bands of all time. Out of that list, though, honestly I always hated Roger Daltry and the Who and I still do, heh, I think they are completely and utterly overrated. But that's just my personal 2 cents.

I think this is generational more then you would admit - there's tons of people who were into Zeppelin in the 70s and thought Elvis was music for their parents. Then the Sex Pistols and punk rock came along - kids went punk rock & called bands like Led Zeppelin "dinosaur rock" - and so on and so on. There's kids coming up today who already think Trent Reznor is too old and that Bright Eyes or My Chemical Romance or god knows what other emo crap bands are rock gods - rock music has always been a generational thing. The people who have an appreciation for the entire history of rock music are few & far between...

If me and Dave Grohl are standing next to each other at any random bar I bet I would have a good shot at pulling more women than he would.

That means he is not a Rock Star. Just a fairly well known musician.

Of course I was referring to young people in general.

I was more directing my comments to what CTB said above me (and not him personally either, but to everyone in general)

I'd say then that I guess I'm one of the exceptions, except that I know plenty of people who love rock from the 50's, 60's, 70's on up to some of the newer stuff. The only hitch is, just about all of them grew up in the 60's and 70's, like me.

I know of very few kids today who listen to and appreciate the classics and give those songs and artists their due, so you're right in that sense.

But I'm afraid I have no appreciation for someone who is too wet behind the ears and lacks the sense to know or at least want to know and understand just how amazing classic rock is, and how legendary and great the artists that created it are.

50 rockstars...

Also, to flip this to the other side of the coin, there's a lot of young people coming up today that do go back and listen and admire Led Zeppelin & Pink Floyd - and yet, on the opposite side, so many of the generation that was alive when those bands were coming out have not continued to stay current with new rock music - there have been plenty of great rock artists since Led Zeppelin, but many older people make absolutely no effort to keep up with current music and then complain that they don't know any of the current bands. :1orglaugh

y'know what, there's bands that have come out in the 90s and there's bands that are coming out today that are every bit just as good as the major rock bands of the 60s & 70s. The "classic" bands get all the credit because they came first. Fine, that's great. But don't dismiss or ignore all the new music that's coming out simply because you haven't made the effort to broaden your horizons beyond music that came out 30+ years ago. That music was great for it's time, but there's a whole other world of rock music that's come out since then, that's every bit as valid and just as important :2 cents:

Rock is not dead quite yet...many on my list (in addition to the ones listed previously) are still active recording and touring, although not necessarily with the bands listed)...

Alice in Chains - Jerry Cantrell (his real name BTW)

Stone Temple Pilots - Scott Weiland (definitely lived the rock star life)

Rage Against the Machine - Tom Morello (also with Audio Slave - recently headlined the Coachella Music Festival)

Then there are bands like the Deftones, Limp Bizkit, Green Day, Offspring, Korn, Linkin Park, Tool, Papa Roach, and many others who may not have front men with household names, but they can still rock the house...

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Actually, he is the one that my friend and I decided was the last rock star since 1990. 17 years and he is the only one that is close to being iconic.

haha . . . the girl I was talking to when this topic came up said that if Dave Grohl came to her front door, she would have to at least go out with him. She is 32.

He went out like a rocker, end of story :thumbsup

Kurt IS the last rock making Rockstar. I can go along with that.

I don't know that if Kurt hadn't died he would be as large in our minds though. He was a fairly boring guy if you think about it. Kinda a post-emo pussy in a way (the original emo).

Pearl Jam and The Stone Temple Pilots were much more interesting. Even the Foo Fighters bring more to the game than they did.

But, Nirvana hit at the perfect time. MTV was at it's cultural peak as far as being a music network goes. Grunge, the trend, was at it's peak. Nevermind was about as classic as classic gets.

But, on the other hand when we say Rock Star we think Bono, Mick, Steven, Jimi... if you really think about it does Kurt belong in that crowd with one classic album and an overdose?

Truthfully, probably not. Death works wonders for fame.

hahaha, Baddog, you know that's over the hill. She'd probably go out with Ringo too if he showed up. Ask a 24 year old will ya? :winkwink:

I totally agree with this...

the rockstars have been replaced by the Brittney Spears' and Justin Timperlakes.

Well I wouldn't go that far. :1orglaugh

Knowing like I do how incredibly huge many of those classic bands were back then and how their music and their style influenced so many artists in later years, I'm sorry but they are in a zone all their own. That doesn't mean what I'm saying has to diminish or take anything away from many of today's top rockers, but I'm with Baddog on this one... his question asked "is there anyone of THAT calibre out since 1990?" and my answer is "very few" as in maybe a small handful.

By "you" I hope you mean everyone, and you're not speaking directly at me. Because if you are you're way off base. I may not know all of the rock bands' names who cut a CD 5 minutes ago but I do like some of the newer stuff that's come out in the past 15 years. Some of it I like very much in fact.

And again, those people I mentioned, friends, family members and aquaintances that I know who love tunes from outside of their childhood era, all love and collect a lot of newer stuff as well. All of them. So at least in part your argument doesn't hold water. But you're right, there are a lot of idiots out there who can't give credit where credit is due, on that we can agree on.

but would also like to add, I think among the living rock stars, Trent Reznor is every bit as iconic. There's 18 year old chicks to this day, where their whole life's ambition is to possibly meet and/or bang Trent, heh. NIN totally brought industrial to the mainstream - he's a total rock star - he has the mystique where you really don't know that much about him or his personal life and, sorry, but no matter what anyone says, the man is a fucking musical genius.

nah I was talking in general too :winkwink:

Glad you said it.

And you said it perfectly. :thumbsup

It's funny you say that CD Smith. I would say the young parents of today ie: the 35-45 crowd, have more in common musically with their kids than any other generation ever. They may not go to the same shows but they will listen to the same radio stations and watch the same videos.

But, try to tell that to the kids. They will deny it til they turn blue. Hahaha

Scott Weiland just signed a friend of mine to his label. I didnt get a chance to hang out with Scott yet, but I will. The artists name is Tommy Joe Wilson, and its country of course. My best friend has a cut on the album and it will be probably the second single released. So right now Im a fan of Scott hehe. :thumbsup

Nobody here will deny he's a musical genius. Lots of the guys mentioned are. But if you can walk down the street and no one knows who the fuck you are you are NOT a Rockstar. Manson and even Twiggy were more Rockstar-ish than him.

eh, he's not the outrageous Kiss type of rock star, he has more of the Jim Morrison cool rock star vibe - and I think most every fan on the planet would recognize him - maybe not your average american housewife but definitely the fans :2 cents:

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all the american idol kids. Yes theyre rock stars, they sell more albums and tickets than most rock stars

It's the truth though. When I was a kid, unless you had really young parents, most parent's did not listen to or identify with "our music" at all. My parents listened mostly to Paul Anka, Dean Martin, classical stuff from the 30's and 40's, big band era stuff, etc. My mom loved guys like Belafonte, Wayne Newton, Ricky Nelson... but the one artist who tied those generations together was ELVIS. Kids and parents alike loved that guy.

But today things have changed. MOST parents of today's generation listed to rock growing up, so there's so much more that ties the generations together. Why just recently I was sitting in the kitchen of a friend, this woman in her early 50's who has 5 daughters. Her youngest one was present, and the radio was on... it was a Led Zepellin tune, and the mother was singing along to it. Her kids looks at her all surprised and says "Mom... you KNOW the words to this song??"

I laughed like hell.

Her reply: "I know where I was when that song was first released"


Oh man the look on the daughter's face was priceless. :D

Selling more albums doesn't make you a rock star.

It helps if you play actual rock music.

Dude, that's saying nothing. All of this guy's fans would recognize him too:

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/7/0/9/3/7683907.jpg

Do you know who he is? No? Don't be ashamed, a lot of people don't. He's Tego Calderon. Like Trent is to industrial he is arguably the godfather of a genre too. Reggaeton. Ask any any fan of reggaeton and they will praise him as if you should care. But, most music fans don't know who he is. The same goes for Trent. The fans of that limited genre know... everyone else... ehh, not so much.

Heh, sadly I'm willing to bet there's more people in America that knows what Tego looks like over Trent.

Olaf! Metal! :1orglaugh
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not true because even the average people that don't recognize him as Trent Reznor still recognize him as Professor Snape :winkwink:

http://www.black-sun.demon.co.uk/img/snape-reznor.jpg

Eh, these kids and their devil music..... not like back in my day....

If we're going by whether anyone would recognize the "rock star" if they walked into a room, then I'll add Geddy Lee to the list of Gods. Started in the late 60's and still going strong today, Rush really should be ranked up there with the rest who've been mentioned.

Any decent Canadian who says he wouldn't recognize Geddy needs a bitchslap.

Somehow Neal Peart has more respect than any other Canadian artist among musicians.

I met Trent in 1995. He has aged so much would you believe I didn't even make the connection that was him in the movie until you mentioned it just now. That speaks volumes. :1orglaugh


Oh, Steve you are hilarious! Old fogey! :1orglaugh

Agreed. All 3 of them, Gods.

But being the frontman, Geddy is the most widely recognizeable by far.

it's actually Alan Rickman but they copied his "look" almost exactly from trent and everyone always makes the comparison - it was just a little joke on my part - he would still be recognized as someone he's not :winkwink: