Do You Believe Verbal/Physical Abuse Is Effective For disciplining Childeren?

[mahoney]

Do You Believe Verbal/Physical Abuse Is Effective For disciplining Childeren?
I can't speak for anyone else but if i knew that my parents
wouldn't lay a finger on me no matter what I did...
I would have raised alot more hell then I did at ages 8-17 yrs old.
I don't have kids and don't plan on it but violence sure gets
a point across. I think Alec Baldwin would agree if he wasn't such a puss
that backs down for simply calling his kid a "pig" He could of said alot worse
.I don't understand what the big deal is.

[The Walrus]

Kids should be beaten into submission, as should animals (pets). They need to learn who is boss

"Spare the rod, spoil the child."

[mahoney]

Originally Posted by The Walrus

Kids should be beaten into submission, as should animals (pets). They need to learn who is boss

"Spare the rod, spoil the child."

Wow...that was hardcore

[Scott McD]

I hate seeing parents being really polite and asking nicely for their kids to stop doing something they shouldn't. You hear it at supermarkets etc

"Please put that down. Please. Are you listening to me? Please don't do that"

If they are misbehaving, do something which will make sure they don't want to misbehave in future. Saying "please" won't do them any favours when they are meant to be learning whats right and wrong...

[mahoney]

Yeah, thats what im saying... Kids that aren't beat down turn out to be horrible human beings with alot of misguided confidence...

[Loryn]

Don't hit or bash kids in public, because they get embarrassed too. You can take them outside to the car and spank their little ass when they act up. Mental mean words, no. You want to build your kids self esteem, but a spank on the ass IMO is needed more today. I can't stand parents who sit there and say, oh now let me talk to you about being bad and explain why it is bad. HELLO? They are kids. They don't care, it's fun. If you love them get control because when they are 13 or 14 they will be out the window in the middle of the night with God knows who screwing God know what.

Spankings do work if you don't use them all the time. There needs to be a last draw they understand. The world is tough, make strong kids. Mommie and Daddie aren't going to be able to hold their hand through life, so if you start when they are young the better chance THEY have at life. And that is what parents want, right?

But I do love the way you threw that agenda in the title, mental and physical ABUSE.

Spanking are not abuse, abuse is when you hurt/harm something. Spankings don't do anything but sting the booty a little.

[SLabelle]

To quote Denis Leary:

"Hey, my dad beat the shit out of me. And looking back on it I'm glad he did, and I'm looking forward to beating the shit out of MY kids."

My kids were spanked up until about 8 or so. After that, all I would do is give them "the look" and they knew if they didn't straighten up, they'd get spanked again.

Everyone compliments me on how well-behaved my kids are. I don't abuse them, I discipline them. And now I have no need to discipline them further, unless they get totally out of hand, which they don't.

Screw those "time out" parents. And they wonder why their kids scream in church, throw tantrums at the store, talk back to their parents in a condescending tone, etc.

[Loryn]

Originally Posted by SLabelle

To quote Denis Leary:

"Hey, my dad beat the shit out of me. And looking back on it I'm glad he did, and I'm looking forward to beating the shit out of MY kids."

My kids were spanked up until about 8 or so. After that, all I would do is give them "the look" and they knew if they didn't straighten up, they'd get spanked again.

Everyone compliments me on how well-behaved my kids are. I don't abuse them, I discipline them. And now I have no need to discipline them further, unless they get totally out of hand, which they don't.

Screw those "time out" parents. And they wonder why their kids scream in church, throw tantrums at the store, talk back to their parents in a condescending tone, etc.

I must quote this. Perfect example of what I said. Sit on them hard when they are young and you won't have it 10 times as hard when they are older.

[GatorB]

Depends on how you define "abuse" is ANY yelling considered emotional abuse? If so then that's BS. Dr Phil seems to thinks so. He's so full of shit sometimes. Same goes with spanking. Sorry if the brat is in a store acting a fool and won't listen to "Johnny please stop" then sorry you need to take that kid to the rest room, go into a stall and BEAT THAT ASS.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

Don't hit or bash kids in public, because they get embarrassed too.

Actually you provided just motivation to do just that. They NEED to feel embarrased so the next time they are in public they'll remember and won't act a fool.

[mahoney]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Actually you provided just motivation to do just that. They NEED to feel embarrased so the next time they are in public they'll remember and won't act a fool.

[Ragging Rhino]

Well, with my boys. I just take their shit away.
A week or so with no TV, Video games, computer, Ipod, stereo seems to do well.

Last week, our boys (19yo and 14yo) deceided to harass each other and one of them threw a battery at the other. Well, the battery missed him and went through our new 37 HD TV. I just bought that thing a little more than a month ago and paid over $1,200 for it.
Needless to say, I am making our 19 yo buy us a new HD TV and they are both grounded from anything until, sometime this summer.
They're going be my little bitch boys and be pulling weeds, mowing grass and doing whatever shit work, I want them to do around the house.
That's their ticket to getting their shit back.
Right know..they are so bored..they swear, I knocked them back into the stone age.

If they don't wanna do it. I'll sell their shit to buy me a new TV.
I have a new PS2, loaded with games and guitar hero set for sale.
My 19yo sons new XBox 360 with about 10 games too..
I won't hesitate to sell that shit if they don't ante up.
Needless to say..they royally pissed me the fuck off.

[BradM]

Originally Posted by SLabelle

To quote Denis Leary:

"Hey, my dad beat the shit out of me. And looking back on it I'm glad he did, and I'm looking forward to beating the shit out of MY kids."

My kids were spanked up until about 8 or so. After that, all I would do is give them "the look" and they knew if they didn't straighten up, they'd get spanked again.

Everyone compliments me on how well-behaved my kids are. I don't abuse them, I discipline them. And now I have no need to discipline them further, unless they get totally out of hand, which they don't.

Screw those "time out" parents. And they wonder why their kids scream in church, throw tantrums at the store, talk back to their parents in a condescending tone, etc.

Fantastic, that's EXACTLY what my parents did. I plan on beating my kids as much as possible while they are young so they get the clue early.

My aunt didn't discipline my cousin, he is 13 now and smacks her around and she hits him back. He called social services. Little punk bastard.

[LiveDose]

'Abuse' is probably the wrong word here...

[Loryn]

Originally Posted by GatorB

Actually you provided just motivation to do just that. They NEED to feel embarrased so the next time they are in public they'll remember and won't act a fool.

I want him to feel confident around people, and fear me. So if he knows death is coming from me, then that is enough. But I see what you are saying. A couple times of "Oh shit everyone is starring at me I feel stupid?, will help. But the ass whipping in the car will really seal the deal.

I have a friend that would yell at his son in public, bad. He is a great Dad and his kids listen to him, but they kids will be kids and his son was at the learning age of 5. The way he yelled EVERYONE was starring at the kid and he was bright red. If anyone yelled at me like that I would be so embarrassed. I just felt bad for him. I wanted to take the kid outside myself and let him have it in private.

My Dad, no matter what we were doing, if I was acting up he would slowly stop what he was doing tell someone to watch the cart or whatever he had in his hands, and would grab my hand to walk outside. I knew what was coming and boy would I stop in my tracks and think about it. ASS WHIPPING IN THE CAR!!! He never yelled at me in public because he didn't like embarrassing either. I tell you sometimes the anticipation of the ass whipping is worse than the ass whipping. haha

[Loryn]

Originally Posted by LiveDose

'Abuse' is probably the wrong word here...

That is what I said!!!

[mahoney]

Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

I want him to feel confident around people, and fear me. So if he knows death is coming from me, then that is enough. But I see what you are saying. A couple times of "Oh shit everyone is starring at me I feel stupid?, will help. But the ass whipping in the car will really seal the deal.

I have a friend that would yell at his son in public, bad. He is a great Dad and his kids listen to him, but they kids will be kids and his son was at the learning age of 5. The way he yelled EVERYONE was starring at the kid and he was bright red. If anyone yelled at me like that I would be so embarrassed. I just felt bad for him. I wanted to take the kid outside myself and let him have it in private.

My Dad, no matter what we were doing, if I was acting up he would slowly stop what he was doing tell someone to watch the cart or whatever he had in his hands, and would grab my hand to walk outside. I knew what was coming and boy would I stop in my tracks and think about it. ASS WHIPPING IN THE CAR!!! He never yelled at me in public because he didn't like embarrassing either. I tell you sometimes the anticipation of the ass whipping is worse than the ass whipping. haha

Wow...good shit...that was better parenting advice then Dr Phil on his best day.

[Drake]

Verbal and physical discipline is fine. But degradation is wrong - like telling the kid that he/she is dumb (which I think can have adverse effects on self-esteem). I think care needs to be taken to point out that the actions are dumb and to force the kid to abide by the rules.

Truth be told, I hated being a kid, because I was constantly getting into shit and I didn't know why. I did what was fun and couldn't understand why it was wrong. Sooner or later you grow up and understand the wider ramifications. That's why simply reasoning with a kid can't work - they don't know enough to even understand your reasoning for some things.

[Loryn]

Originally Posted by mahoney

Wow...good shit...that was better parenting advice then Dr Phil on his best day.

Well thank you dear!!!

[boneprone]

Fuck using it on your children.

I use it on my bitches..

It keeps them in line.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Mike33

Truth be told, I hated being a kid, because I was constantly getting into shit and I didn't know why. I did what was fun and couldn't understand why it was wrong. Sooner or later you grow up and understand the wider ramifications. That's why simply reasoning with a kid can't work - they don't know enough to even understand your reasoning for some things.

So you just justified ass whipping. The kid doesn't get "It's fun but it's wrong" so you whip that ass, because every kid understands "It's fun, but my DAD will beat the fuck out of me."

[TexasDreams]

Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

Spanking are not abuse, abuse is when you hurt/harm something. Spankings don't do anything but sting the booty a little.

I think that there are a lot of people here on GFY, that would pay damn good money to get a spanking from Loryn.

[Loryn]

Originally Posted by TexasDreams

I think that there are a lot of people here on GFY, that would pay damn good money to get a spanking from Loryn.

Line them up baby, I am ready to spank some booty!!!

[mahoney]

Originally Posted by Loryn-Adult.com

Well thank you dear!!!

Your Welcome Cutie Pie..I met you in San Diego about 3 years ago. Your quite the charachter ....You know how to have a good time

[sniperwolf]

well,disciplining is not necessarily spanking or hitting the child or throwing some bad words on her/him..coz sometimes the more you do that, the more that the child go wild and even fight you back..

[mahoney]

Originally Posted by sniperwolf

well,disciplining is not necessarily spanking or hitting the child or throwing some bad words on her/him..coz sometimes the more you do that, the more that the child go wild and even fight you back..

So What do you think is effective? I don't think anything else would have worked with me and alot of kids I grew up with. It works...bottom line

[Mr Pheer]

My kid threw a fit in the store once.

Just once. He learned quickly not to piss Dad off too much. Now all I have to do is mention the word spanking and he straightens right up.

[Big Red Machine]

Discipline works .

[tony286]

Originally Posted by mahoney

Do You Believe Verbal/Physical Abuse Is Effective For disciplining Childeren?
I can't speak for anyone else but if i knew that my parents
wouldn't lay a finger on me no matter what I did...
I would have raised alot more hell then I did at ages 8-17 yrs old.
I don't have kids and don't plan on it but violence sure gets
a point across. I think Alec Baldwin would agree if he wasn't such a puss
that backs down for simply calling his kid a "pig" He could of said alot worse
.I don't understand what the big deal is.

I agree time out bullshit doesnt work

[GrouchyAdmin]

Talk about an incredibly loaded question, even if you can't spell it right.

Discipline is not abuse, and abuse is not discipline.

[notabook]

Each child differs but I can guarantee that a firm spanking is going to work on FAR more children than a "time out" does. My siblings and I had our asses tore up with a belt if we got out of line and I will do the same to my children (well, minus the belt, I personally think that is pushing it). I don’t consider this “physical abuse” either, it is a good form of discipline. Spanking does not equal abuse. Beating a child is abuse, spanking is not. As for verbal abuse... that's just unnecessary. Same goes with threats. All of this “If you don’t do XXX in XXX amount of time I will XXX you” is utter bullshit. A hard swat or two with a hand to the ass should be more than enough.

[dodger21]

You should always beat the shit out of your children, pets and women. No fucking around. If they don't like it, they can suck the cock!

[Spunky]

Sometimes you have to beat respect into them

[tony286]

Originally Posted by Spunky

Sometimes you have to beat respect into them

Steve Harvey used to say if his mother didnt beat the snot out of him, he wouldnt be the success he is today.
A story I failed a class and when my mother questioned me about it ,I was flippant about it, I had to be around 13. My mother repeated my words its no big deal as she left the room.Came back with a yard stick holding it like a samurai sword and chased me around the house screaming at me. I never failed a class again lol

[Ssv]

I don't beleive that yelling or beating would change things.But sometimes, you will have to show your children who's the boss.In that sort of situations, I beleive that is best to spank the kid, but just once or twice, and that's all!Just to show who is dominant, and no verbal abuse!I remember, when I was a kid, my parents never beat me and never yelled at me.I was spanked, and I turned out just well.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Discipline is one thing, but abuse is abuse.

[psili]

I think the problem is that if someone sees you put a little smack on your kid's butt these days, you're getting a call from child services.

Personally, I'm going with the "remove the situation and throw down some 'subtle' discipline on the booty" effort.

Don't hurt.
Don't abuse.
Don't humiliate.
Make one feel the consequence of action at a young age - they'll think twice, next time.

[Paul Markham]

Everyone has to be taught discipline, self control and right from wrong. They learn it at 5 from their parents or they risk get it beaten into them by society 10 to 20 years later.

Who would you rather have teaching you, your parents or police?

I would have 100% support for the modern way of teaching children to behave if juvenile crime was dropping or even stable. It's rising and the way to improve it is to carry on using methods that do not work.

[spunkmaster]

Talking to kids and taking their shit away only goes so far.

The other day my 8 YO son rode his bike accross the street and
he knows he can't go off the sidewalk. I called him over as I was in front
of the garage and gave him a stern talking to. This is about the third time
he's done this so the talking is over !

The very next day he rode the bike accross the street again without looking and I called him over and beat his ass with one of those rods you use to hold up plants in the garden and told him the next time he does this I'm running over his bike. He knew he was in trouble because he started balling when I made him stand with his hands in the air so I could wack his ass

[SPACE GLIDER]

Guess it would depend on how big an asshole your kid is

[SPACE GLIDER]

spanking is better. Hate to say it, but I can't deny what I've seen in regards to effectiveness.

[nikooo]

Originally Posted by mahoney

Wow...that was hardcore

I agree woth you...total hardcore

[CDSmith]

Originally Posted by Scott McD

I hate seeing parents being really polite and asking nicely for their kids to stop doing something they shouldn't. You hear it at supermarkets etc

"Please put that down. Please. Are you listening to me? Please don't do that"

If they are misbehaving, do something which will make sure they don't want to misbehave in future. Saying "please" won't do them any favours when they are meant to be learning whats right and wrong...

I want to go up to parents like that and smack them.

Then spank their kids to show them how it's done. I'm sure many in the store would gather and applaud.

But I don't. Society is very big these days on dictating how parents have to raise their brats. God forbid anyone dish out any meaningful discipline.

[Chris]

What age would you start spanking a child?
Not beatings
not abuse ..but spankings

[carol.prime]

its a part of discipline...but it is depends on the way parents would deliver it..
abuse is really different from discipline..

[shekinah]

I don't believe.. take note children will do the same to their kids when they already have their own family.

[cj_purve]

my favorite is 'do you want to .............' ie come & change your nappy, have a bath etc.

there's some funky assed parenting ideas around now, but i think its great that we have people who try to investigate alternatives to ABUSE. spankings for being naughty and abuse are different but with a blurry grey line up the middle.

i think before any parent belts their kid they should be able to stop and be sure its the right course of action. parents who take their agression & uncontrolled rages out on their children because they SUCK at being parents are worse than those who let their children set the rules.