That statement is incorrect. Roll over to WHT or another large hosting community and nearly all "managed dedicated server providers" do not give root access on the machines. Reason being is that too many people screw up their machines when given root access. If your only paying $99/month for a "managed server" that pricing doesn't leave too much room for a system admin to spend the time fixing your broken server.

Most people who buy dedicated servers these days get Cpanel or DirectAdmin thrown onto a server and never use anything more than that. So I could see how some people would buy an unbelievable dedicated server deal for only $49.99/mo and never find out they just got a WHM/CPanel account on a shared virtual host box!

Jim

I see, my bad. But if we can go back. You said there is two reasons for a decicated i.p.: namebased vhosting traffic filtering/shaping and firewalling

Can you explain why a dedicated i.p. is better for this. Not trying to debate I have never heard of these reasons before?

You said something about black lists, if you mean mail blacklists then a dedicated i.p. wouldn't help either since they black list the host names ip not the websites ip.

Precisely why some hosts can afford to sell so cheaply. Hell, we give root to all of our dedicated customers and I bet less than 5% even know how to use it.

Just an FYI, we deal with large SEO companies, and the first thing they ask us for is a sampling of our C's so they no there will be no problems.

Email blacklists are irrelevant as it has nothing to do with SEO.

yes, my servers have dedicated IP's

You just have to pray that the 95% that have no clue what they are doing don't login to root and think they are a system admin :1orglaugh

Jim

Well, our servers are not managed unless they want to pay extra for it. So if they break it, they pay for it. Luckily, that is pretty minimal.

I have to correct myself.....iptables doesn't work with virtual interfaces
so what I was thinking doesn't work......my bad :error I'll think of another
reason then.......I'll get back on this :winkwink:


About the blacklist I never said anything about single ips or ips of websites
being blacklisted. I said it can't hurt to check the dbs of organisations that
maintain blacklists such spamcop/spamhaus in case the previous "owner" of
your ip addresses got your ips blacklisted. Quite often they block a whole
range instead of single ips. If you see any ip within your range is blacklisted
you should contact them and request removal.

Not every blacklist works by FQDN or hostnames many spamlists blacklist
by ip of the MTA caught spamming or as mentioned before a whole range of
ips from the provider that hosts the abusive host.

just for the record I didn't say there's 2 reasons why you should go for unique
ips instead of name based vhosting....I just gave 2 examples which turned out
weren't really good examples ;-)

How exactly does a dedicated server share an IP? Pleae tell.. :error

I know name based host would be the only way, and that would be one fucked up wacked out network.

read the entire thread

I would say that happens more often than just individual IP's . . . easier for them to blacklist a range then whitelist those that approach them.