klik

For almost 2 weeks now I haven't been able to fall asleep untill well after 4:00 AM.

I can't stand this shit.. because something always wakes me up too..

So I end up getting around 3-5 hours of sleep every night..

Its not that I'm not tired... I just can't fall asleep..

Anyone got any suggestions?

Format C: wont help.. so don't even.

X37375787

9 p.m. - drop in 5 Nyquil (sp?) and within 30 min you'll be sleeping like a baby

quiet

many people in this biz have the same problem. i've yet to find a lasting solution myself...

X37375787

I've never understood why people don't go to bed early and get up early as well - you're more efficient during the day and sleep better at night.

klik

Did you just wake up?

Fuck that would be great.. I might have to try that.

SetTheWorldonFire

that somehow confuses me, but that nyquil deal sounds like a winner.

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Buy a great big pile of meth.

FATPad

I got up a couple of hours ago.

[Labret]

Just learn to live with it.

7 am and almost time for me to hit it.

Ill be back up around 3 pm. Enough time to hit the post office and the bank before they close.

Sometimes I fuck up and sleep myself into a normal schedule. But it never lasts long.

I think my schedule now is ideal. Up all night, less people online, less lag. Nobody to come over and bother me. No phone calls. I still get up early enough to see a good 5 hours of daylight if I choose to see it, until winter arrives. Fall and Winter, the only seasons that matter.

Girlfriend used to whine alot about it. She said she enjoyed the sunlight, but I have her over to the dark side now.

There is nothing good about noon in the summer. Its hot and people are outside. And nothing is good when its 98 degrees out.

My advice... dont fight it.

Embrace it. Love it.

quiet

so true.

klik

Damn right... I hate the summer.. especially during the day.

My house is like a sauna too.. built in 1913..

You lose weight just being at my house.

Juilioso

I feel ya on the screwed schedule, good herbs make it tolerable. Only thing that puts me to bed early is too much to drink. You can try writing rap lyrics too to help you sleep

6 in tha mornin, house bumpin on the block,
smokin mad weed, smokin mad rock,
Swizzy on me 40, got my bitch on my nuts,
Next thing I know, police up in my cut,
out tha back do, jump into tha ride,
ya momma is a ho, workin on tha south side.
yeah

See I'm not even black, but the twilight hours make anything possible for us white boys

X37375787

Seriously, try Nyquil. It helps.

Might not be for everyone, but I feel better and work more and my efficiency rocks when I go to bed around 10-10:30pm and get up at 7am.

Guess some people don't need the daylight

Friday

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For almost 2 weeks now I haven't been able to fall asleep untill well after 4:00 AM.

What's the problem???

chodadog

You get yourself into a sleeping pattern like that, and your body will adjust to it over time. And eventually, it'll seem normal. So, to go back to a regular sleeping pattern, will take just as long as it took for your body to adjust to your current sleeping patterns. If you don't want to use drugs/medication, the only way to do it is gradually easing back into a normal sleeping pattern.

Worked for me. But i find i'm more productive late at night anyways. Less distractions.

Script Dude

How to adjust your sleep schedule.

STEP #1:

How much sleep do you need?

Go to bed when you feel tired. Let yourself wake up naturally. (No alarms) Do this for a few days to get rid of any sleep debt. The length of time you sleep is your natural requirement for sleep.

Mine is 8 to 9 hours. (If I am tired, I will often sleep 12.)

I find that I am happier and more productive when I get my natural amount of sleep (or very close.)

I find out long ago that I get more done by sleeping 8 hours and working 6 than I do by sleeping 6 and working 8.

STEP #2:

When do you want to get up?

Determine when you want to get up each day. (Your target wake up time) Count backward by your natural sleep amount. This is your target for when you need to go to sleep.

Control the time that you go to bed, not the time that you get up.

If I want to get up at 9 AM, I have to go to sleep by 1 AM. If I want to get up at 7, its 11PM. I like to get up at 9 AM.

Getting up at 7AM is unrealistic for me. I can rarely get to bed by 11 because I am often visiting friends at this time.

STEP #3:

You can only go forward.

Every day, go to bed two hours later until you are going to bed at your target time.

It is very difficult to go to bed earlier and wake up earlier. It is very easy to go to bed later and wake up later.

MISC THINGS THAT HELP

Bedtime ritual:

Start to go to bed an hour before. Brush your teeth. Drink milk. Turn lights off.

Wake up ritual:

Alarm clocks. (Sadly, I have 4 and if I am tired can sleep through all 4 of them going off simultaneously.)

Cafeine in the morning. (Never in the afternoon or night.)

Daily excersize:
I find it easier to maintain a regular sleep schedule when I go to the gym every day.

Sleeping pills:
I find that sleeping pills do a good job of putting me out at night, but a lousy job of adjusting what time I get up in the morning. when ever I take them, I always end up sleeping too long. When I do use one, I usually break the pill into quarters and just take 1/4.

melatonin:
You can use melatonin (from a helth food store) to help adjust your sleep schedule. Use it only after you have advanced your sleep schedule by two hour increments and you want to fix your sleep schedule at a certain time and stop advancing. Take the melatonin 30 minutes before your target sleep time. Take as little as possible. (The health food store doses are 10 times too large. Too much is bad and counter productive.) Melatonin is not a sleeping pill. Nor is it safe because its "natural." It is a hormone and should be used very carefully.


Damn! I wrote a fuckin essay!

Fletch XXX

I have seen the sun rise for over 6 years now.

No big deal.

I sleep 5 hours a day.

usually go to sleep sometime before 7 AM and I am always awake before noon.

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jojojo

It has taken me over 2 years to scale back the time I got to bed to 3am LOL

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B40

I wouldn't be concerned, unless you work better in the mornings or whenever you're sleeping.

It's almost 4pm here and I just woke up

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RW316

try sleeping medication. I heard it works well

rip raster

not beeing able to sleep really sucks, I went for almost 2 weeks without, when I was coming off heavy doses of percacet, that shit really messes you up. Don't take anything you will eventually fall asleep. If you take shit to make you sleep your body will just get more fucked up will kindof forget how to shut down on it's own and expect DRUGS
Good Luck

RATBOY

I unpug all the lamps and work strictly with natural light. If there is outside light from streetlamps close the blinds no later than 10pm. No tv or computer after 10pm either. I'm serious. If worse comes to worse use one of those night masks.

Stop the caffine intake and smoking (if applicable). These are both stimulants. If you are not lactose intolerant warm milk does great. If you are opposed to warm milk as I am, go with vanilla ice cream. Chocolate in ANY form is RIGHT OUT. Eat at least 1.5 hrs before bedtime. A gurgling stomach is what keeps many awake and it is better for your esophogeal health to let gravity do its work.

Earplugs. You may want to be careful with these if you decide to use them.

Are there any strange smells you are dealing with? Shampoo or aftershave that is stimulating your sensors?

Wake up with the sun no matter how much sleep you have managed.

Excersice a lot. Webmasters get none usually. Every hour take a walk. A mid-afternoon jog is best/safest. Perhaps a swim. I am not talking about training for the decathlon, just get the muscles working.

Do it again.

Lane

i actually hate it when i get up without the alarm clock and see its already 3pm...

when you get up at 7am, its incredible how much stuff you can do until noon.. and you still know you have a long day ahead..


i think my sleep schedule is fucked up too, i usually go to bed not before 4am, sometimes even 8-9am.. then i get up in the afternoon and i just hate it..

i think im gonna set myself a goal to go to bed by midnight if im at home.


caffeine... doesnt help me a single bit.. a nice shower or going outside makes me feel a whole lot better.. i make sure there is some sugar in the breakfast.. you need simple carbohydrates to pump up your metabolism..

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Lane

and also its really rare that i have trouble falling asleep, as long as i actually go to bed..

just clear your mind when you close your eyes and dont think about anything...

if you start thinking about some absurd stuff, you know you are about to fall asleep.. but dont try to think about any real life stuff..


also sometimes try to sleep with your eyes open.. just keep them open when you are in bed.. they will get tired faster... when you get up, you wont even remember when you closed them..

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Pathfinder

My "schedule" is now rotating on a 360, thus no schedule anymore. I have recently developed a sleeping problem. At one time (from necessity) I had trained myself to sleep on command. Now I can be virtually brain dead and still cannot sleep. Today is a good example of this phenom.

damac

Getting into adult sites really messed me up. I didn't realize it until I had major problems.

I would push back my sleep schedule into the am and not go to sleep until I was ready to drop. Part of it was because I would slack off during the day and work into the night.

I gained weight and it got physically uncomfortable to sleep.

Eventually I changed the way I ate. Totally healthy M-S and pigged out on sundays. I also exercise intensely for hour sessions early in the day except for sunday when I rest. I lost the extra weight and the exercise must have regulated things for me because I was able to exercise each day and stay up without taking a nap, then when midnight came I would get to sleep within minutes, have 8 1/2 hours of nice sleep and wake up refreshed.

I can't emphasize enough how well your body will respond to consistent good diet, exercise and drinking water.



BUT I also know for others they can have problems outside of this and that would suck. If that is the case and you live healthy I would see a doctor and try and get help. Its no fun.

On-top

Get a new bed. King-size worked for me.

I still don't go to bed before 4 AM, but when I do go to bed...I'm out like a light. And it doubles as a great playground for when you have company over.

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Pornwolf

Same here except it's been 7 years for me.

DarkJedi

melatonin is the shit.
drop 6-12 mg before going to bed, fasten your seat belts and prepare for takeoff.

Juge

Work more, then you'll be tired at night.

Also, the first hint that you are tired, even if it's at 10pm or 11pm, go to sleep, you'll get your 8 hours of sleep that you need and feel refreshed in the morning.

Repeat.

Fletch XXX

Do any of you have nightmares?

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fear

I`m trying to clone myself, so I can work 24-7.

Bree

Diet and exercise.
My diet is lo-fat, lo-carbs, and lo-sugar (i'm diabetic) and *more* color! We eat way too much white/tan stuff which is not so good for ya b/c it's so processed.

I need about 5 hours of sleep. Anything less than that and I'm dead.

Go to sleep at the first hint of "I'm a little sleepy." even if it's 10PM.

Gonna have to put GFY to rest for the night even if it is rather entertaining

Turn down the lights and sound... relax a bit.

Try to drink something that is caffiene free. I drink diet RC.

I take a tylenol PM when I really feel a need to sleep, but the next day I'm generally a bit lagged. I tried Ambien.. *way* too habit forming!!!!! and after awhile ineffective...

Research shows that some people actually function better on a 36 hour cycle than a 24 hours cycle. I think I am one of those people. Unfortunately. My boyfriend is the same way. We are very capable of working until 4AM and then sleeping for several hours.. but it just throws everything off.

Plenty of sex helps

Script Dude

Most people have a 25 hour circadian rhythm in the absense of external time cues. (Not 36 hrs)

(Circadian rhythm = daily cycle)

Script Dude

This scientific name for "Very fucked up sleep schedule" is Delayed sleep phase syndrome

"Delayed sleep phase syndrome (DSPS) ... is a sleep disorder of circadian rhythm."

"Delayed sleep phase syndrome results from a disturbance between the patient?s internal biological clock and the external environment."

"A person with this disorder is typically unable to fall asleep before 2 a.m. and has great difficulty waking early, say by 7 a.m."

"The main difficulty for a person with DSPS is meeting the expectations of society, i.e. functioning early for school or work."

"Many physicians observe people [with DSPS] in careers that allow alternative sleep-wake patterns, like work-at-home jobs, computer programming, or artistic careers."

Add adult webmaster to the list.

Pornwolf

I wish I did! I could use some dream-state entertainment. I really do like nightmares.

klik

I have nightmares about my stats the next day..

And the one where I'm falling always sucks too.

Bree

I was only referring to a study that was done in Europe where researchers had people living in an environment where the light/darkness was controlled. They had two groups. One group on a 24 hour cycle and one on 36 hour cycle..

They found a significant group of people in the study that functioned well on a 36 hour cycle....

and here it is nearly 4:30 AM and *I'm* still up

Pornwolf

I like the sound of that 36 hour routine. I might have to try a longer run of that in the winter time. I do it every now and then but never for more than a day at a time. It sounds like it could work in the winter since it's so easy to dodge the sunlight.

meRx

Stay up all nite and into the next day...hang on till about 7 or 8pm then drop in bed and knock out. you should wake up early and you SHOULD be getting tired much earlier also...Worked for me....well for a while at least

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Every day is a good example.

You're brain dead every day.

Juge

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Please ICQ me at 107269432.