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CunningStunt · 05-03-2007, 04:56 PM

Just wondering. I've done a tester and sent 559 hits to a sponsor today, and they report 391.

Uncannily it's 70%. Is that normal in this business? In the 5 years I've been playing this dumb affiliate game, I've never really bothered to check, but hungover as hell, I thought it would be fun.

How ripped off do you feel today? Maybe I should work for microshaft instead.

dropped9 · 05-03-2007, 04:57 PM

who was the sponsor?

Voodoo · 05-03-2007, 04:58 PM

14u24m3=mu4h4h4h4h!!!111

cranki · 05-03-2007, 04:58 PM

1st page? 2nd page? wtf?

CunningStunt · 05-03-2007, 05:02 PM

Directly from my logs, with a tracking code in it - first page.

Not naming sponsor. All sponsors seem as bad as each other.

sicone · 05-03-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cranki

1st page? 2nd page? wtf?

exactly... how does the sponsor count hits and how are you counting hits you sent?

cones · 05-03-2007, 05:05 PM

sounds about right

Voodoo · 05-03-2007, 05:08 PM

It does suck though. I've had that feeling from a few sponsors before, never checked the % though. I've also heard of companies that "give" new affiliates sales for a while to get them amp'd up to push more, then start pulling back so they have to push harder to get sales. Very shitty practices IMHO.

tiger · 05-03-2007, 05:11 PM

You should contact the sponsor and ask how they count hits before you start saying they are shaving.

CunningStunt · 05-03-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by tiger

You should contact the sponsor and ask how they count hits before you start saying they are shaving.

They count hits the same fucking way I do.

NTSS · 05-03-2007, 05:26 PM

nothing surprises me

mn · 05-03-2007, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CunningStunt

They count hits the same fucking way I do.

Then it can only be:

a) they shave
b) their script is broken
c) your script is broken

Post the name of the sponsor.

CunningStunt · 05-03-2007, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mn

Then it can only be:

a) they shave
b) their script is broken
c) your script is broken

Post the name of the sponsor.

I have actually done this test before, with adwords and a few other places. 70% seems the norm with "good" sponsors. Some sponsors blatantly take the piss reporting 40% of the hits or so. Needless to say they are dropped like a lead balloon.

Maybe I should quit whining and set up my own paysit, robbing affiliates and punters like everyone else?

Have YOU ever tested this? Seriously. Do it. You'll be surprised...or maybe not.

starpimps · 05-03-2007, 05:54 PM

i like using my gillette mach 4 to shave affiliates

Jace · 05-03-2007, 05:54 PM

there are quite a few sponsors that count join page hits, which is AWESOME (not)

nothing like sending 1000 uniques to a sponsor and seeing 20 hits in the admin

StarkReality · 05-03-2007, 05:58 PM

Yup, it's only a matter of time and many sponsors will only count female mexican visitors clicking at least 5 times.

fuzebox · 05-03-2007, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jace

there are quite a few sponsors that count join page hits, which is AWESOME (not)

nothing like sending 1000 uniques to a sponsor and seeing 20 hits in the admin

Then when you message the rep they say "you're doing 1:800 with us that's a good ratio"

Jace · 05-03-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fuzebox

Then when you message the rep they say "you're doing 1:800 with us that's a good ratio"

hahaha, no shit man

mn · 05-03-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CunningStunt

I have actually done this test before, with adwords and a few other places. 70% seems the norm with "good" sponsors. Some sponsors blatantly take the piss reporting 40% of the hits or so. Needless to say they are dropped like a lead balloon.

Maybe I should quit whining and set up my own paysit, robbing affiliates and punters like everyone else?

Have YOU ever tested this? Seriously. Do it. You'll be surprised...or maybe not.

To be honest, I don't care how a sponsor count. Let them count 4:th page uniques or only join page filling out the form uniques. Doesn't matter to me. All that matters to me is the payout amount at the end of the month. If I'm unhappy with that amount I switch sponsor because I know what my traffic is worth.

Lots of programs will count as few hits as possible, but they don't shave the signups. This is so newbies will think WOW 1:50 this sponsor must be the best. A newbie will not understand that his real ratio might be 1:1000...

Click stats means nothing. Unless you're talking about a pay per click sponsor here? Then I understand why you're upset.

StarkReality · 05-03-2007, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mn

All that matters to me is the payout amount at the end of the month. If I'm unhappy with that amount I switch sponsor because I know what my traffic is worth.

Good point.

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Originally Posted by mn

Click stats means nothing. Unless you're talking about a pay per click sponsor here? Then I understand why you're upset.

Well, the big question is: Why offer any click stats as a sponsor if they aren't accurate ? Why not tell your affiliates: Go, count your hits yourself ? Even webmasters with little experience will only take a week to find out how the click count of a sponsor really works, it's not like people don't see the differences.

I think it's a pretty silly game, I can count on my own, no problem, but if you offer me stats, make them useful for me. The sad thing is that some really good programs around for a long time use join page unique count. I don't drop them for doing so, they make me alot of money, but new affiliates will feel ripped off once they find out, it makes good sponsors look bad...

aico · 05-03-2007, 06:20 PM

unless they are shaving signups, I could care less how they count the hits.

CunningStunt · 05-03-2007, 07:11 PM

Some of you folks just don't get it. affiliateprogramshavingFTL.com/=?trackingcodewetrackandtellyou

Forget about join pages, entry pages, whereverthefuck pages.

Why do sponsors even bother with all that join pages bullshit - one of them I stopped promoting even though earning reasonably well was because of all that first page / second page / join bullshit. I DON'T give a fuck. How many uniques did I send you, how much $ did I get -- GET IT SPONSORS?

Phoenix · 05-03-2007, 07:15 PM

yes...it only matters about uniques and money

1st page 2nd page etc..is purely for the sponsor to be able to track the effectiveness of ther tour.

one for me one for you doesnt go over well with anyone....$$$$$ in a big fat check every week is the only truth

IllTestYourGirls · 05-03-2007, 07:31 PM

well lets see I did a test to one sponsor with sending trafficholder clicks to them. I sent 2k clicks to them and they said only 400 were sent to them. So which one is lying?

CunningStunt · 05-03-2007, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls

So who is lying?

You are.

Walrus · 05-03-2007, 08:27 PM

Which major sponsors were created by Adult Webmasters themselves? You know, people who started out the same way as most of us here. Doesn't xxxjay own OCCash, or co-own it? I can't imagine someone who's been a regular affiliate would shave if he one day became the owner of a sponsor. It would be interesting to find out if anyone knew what the lever bar is set at for shaving there.

DBS.US · 05-03-2007, 08:30 PM

I only count the hits my counters show and the money I get paid.

BigBen · 05-03-2007, 08:59 PM

Do you filter out bots from your stats?

CunningStunt · 05-03-2007, 09:03 PM

Yes BigBen.

bhutocracy · 05-03-2007, 09:09 PM

If you don't count your outgoing clicks, divide the monthly cheque by that number and use that as your guide by sending your traffic to the sponsor with the highest per click figure... then really you've got no one to blame but yourself. I honestly don't see the problem. Some sponsors only count join page hits. IT DOESN"T MATTER. Look at YOUR traffic and YOUR cheques.. it's the only way to put all sponsors and their myriad ways of counting second hits on pages in fibonacci sequences on a level playing field.

»Rob Content« · 05-03-2007, 09:12 PM

More people need to count their CPC...

woj · 05-03-2007, 10:34 PM

I'm pretty sure there is some legitimate reason why the click counts don't match up... they might count uniques based on ips, you may count it with cookies, they may filter certain user agents, which you don't... etc...

Webby · 05-03-2007, 11:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CunningStunt

Shaving Algorithms - what's the best?

Well... the best is the one-for-you-one-for-us spreadsheet, but that don't work too well these days.

Next is the "90 day success period" - eg signups to encourage for up to 90 days so ya pump more traffic at em - then nothing.

Next is "but we only count join pages", but only of blind surfers from Ukraine.

Favorite rep questions - "Maybe we can help you get better traffic?" - like they would have a clue. Another is, "You are doing very well and getting a great conversion of 1:500." - problem there is ya sent ten times that to a join page and only shows 1500.

It's always amazing sending traffic to your own paysites and somehow the join pages get correct counts and the conversions are better - must be another coincidence...

MrChips · 05-04-2007, 04:14 AM

Another good rep question

"Can you let us know how you are going to promote our site before we confirm that you can join our program"?

Stupid fuckers.

ARS Bryan · 05-04-2007, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrChips

Another good rep question

"Can you let us know how you are going to promote our site before we confirm that you can join our program"?

Stupid fuckers.

Why's this stupid again?

05-03-2007, 04:56 PM	#1
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Shaving Algorithms - what's the best? Just wondering. I've done a tester and sent 559 hits to a sponsor today, and they report 391. Uncannily it's 70%. Is that normal in this business? In the 5 years I've been playing this dumb affiliate game, I've never really bothered to check, but hungover as hell, I thought it would be fun. How ripped off do you feel today? Maybe I should work for microshaft instead.

05-03-2007, 04:58 PM	#3
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	14u24m3=mu4h4h4h4h!!!111 __________________ "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

05-03-2007, 05:08 PM	#8
Voodoo ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 10,592	It does suck though. I've had that feeling from a few sponsors before, never checked the % though. I've also heard of companies that "give" new affiliates sales for a while to get them amp'd up to push more, then start pulling back so they have to push harder to get sales. Very shitty practices IMHO. __________________ "I'm selflessly supporting the common good, but only coincidentally looking out for No.1."

05-03-2007, 05:11 PM	#9
tiger Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 6,986	You should contact the sponsor and ask how they count hits before you start saying they are shaving. __________________

05-03-2007, 05:26 PM	#11
NTSS Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Da Hood Posts: 5,688	nothing surprises me __________________ ICQ: 150-803-430 Email: marketing7(at)cox(dot)net

05-03-2007, 04:57 PM	#2
dropped9 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Your moms box Posts: 26,727	who was the sponsor?

05-03-2007, 04:58 PM	#4
cranki Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Café del Mar Posts: 5,162	1st page? 2nd page? wtf?

05-03-2007, 05:02 PM	#5
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Directly from my logs, with a tracking code in it - first page. Not naming sponsor. All sponsors seem as bad as each other.

05-03-2007, 05:05 PM	#7
cones So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 571	sounds about right

05-03-2007, 05:54 PM	#14
starpimps Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: internets Posts: 6,954	i like using my gillette mach 4 to shave affiliates __________________ Teen Porn Models / Solo Girls

05-03-2007, 05:54 PM	#15
Jace FBOP Class Of 2013 Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: bumfuck, ky Posts: 35,562	there are quite a few sponsors that count join page hits, which is AWESOME (not) nothing like sending 1000 uniques to a sponsor and seeing 20 hits in the admin

05-03-2007, 05:58 PM	#16
StarkReality Confirmed User Join Date: May 2004 Location: 4 8 15 16 23 42 Posts: 4,444	Yup, it's only a matter of time and many sponsors will only count female mexican visitors clicking at least 5 times.

05-03-2007, 06:20 PM	#21
aico Moo Moo Cow Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Washington State Posts: 14,748	unless they are shaving signups, I could care less how they count the hits.

05-03-2007, 07:11 PM	#22
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Some of you folks just don't get it. affiliateprogramshavingFTL.com/=?trackingcodewetrackandtellyou Forget about join pages, entry pages, whereverthefuck pages. Why do sponsors even bother with all that join pages bullshit - one of them I stopped promoting even though earning reasonably well was because of all that first page / second page / join bullshit. I DON'T give a fuck. How many uniques did I send you, how much $ did I get -- GET IT SPONSORS?

05-03-2007, 07:15 PM	#23
Phoenix BACON BACON BACON Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poems everybody, the laddie fancies himself a poet Posts: 35,462	yes...it only matters about uniques and money 1st page 2nd page etc..is purely for the sponsor to be able to track the effectiveness of ther tour. one for me one for you doesnt go over well with anyone....$$$$$ in a big fat check every week is the only truth __________________ Skype Phoenixskype1 Telegram PhoenixBrad https://quantads.io

05-03-2007, 07:31 PM	#24
IllTestYourGirls Ah My Balls Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Under the gold leaf ICQ 388-454-421 Posts: 14,311	well lets see I did a test to one sponsor with sending trafficholder clicks to them. I sent 2k clicks to them and they said only 400 were sent to them. So which one is lying? __________________

05-03-2007, 08:27 PM	#26
Walrus Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2,150	Which major sponsors were created by Adult Webmasters themselves? You know, people who started out the same way as most of us here. Doesn't xxxjay own OCCash, or co-own it? I can't imagine someone who's been a regular affiliate would shave if he one day became the owner of a sponsor. It would be interesting to find out if anyone knew what the lever bar is set at for shaving there.

05-03-2007, 08:30 PM	#27
DBS.US Geo Cities Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: North Captiva Island, Florida USA Posts: 11,832	I only count the hits my counters show and the money I get paid. __________________ Make a Free Chaturbate White Label site in 34 minutes and be making money tonight

05-03-2007, 08:59 PM	#28
BigBen Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: scv Posts: 2,299	Do you filter out bots from your stats?

05-03-2007, 09:03 PM	#29
CunningStunt Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 5,594	Yes BigBen.

05-03-2007, 09:09 PM	#30
bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	If you don't count your outgoing clicks, divide the monthly cheque by that number and use that as your guide by sending your traffic to the sponsor with the highest per click figure... then really you've got no one to blame but yourself. I honestly don't see the problem. Some sponsors only count join page hits. IT DOESN"T MATTER. Look at YOUR traffic and YOUR cheques.. it's the only way to put all sponsors and their myriad ways of counting second hits on pages in fibonacci sequences on a level playing field.

05-03-2007, 09:12 PM	#31
»Rob Content« Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,348	More people need to count their CPC... __________________ 80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds 3 & 5mins FLVs \| RSS & Tube Feeds \| Matching Thumbs \| FLV Browser & Exporter \| No Prechecked Xsales >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557 ICQ - 436 795 438 E-mail rob /@/ cool-content dotcom

05-03-2007, 10:34 PM	#32
woj <&(©¿©)&> Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 47,882	I'm pretty sure there is some legitimate reason why the click counts don't match up... they might count uniques based on ips, you may count it with cookies, they may filter certain user agents, which you don't... etc... __________________ Custom Software Development, email: woj#at#wojfun#.#com to discuss details or skype: wojl2000 or gchat: wojfun or telegram: wojl2000 Affiliate program tools: Hosted Galleries Manager Banner Manager Video Manager Wordpress Affiliate Plugin Pic/Movie of the Day Fansign Generator Zip Manager

05-04-2007, 04:14 AM	#34
MrChips Confirmed User Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,504	Another good rep question "Can you let us know how you are going to promote our site before we confirm that you can join our program"? Stupid fuckers.