If we'd had gun control in 1776... - GoFuckYourself.com

sortie · 04-18-2007, 10:55 AM

We'd still be part of the British empire getting "taxation without representation".

That radical George Washington and his band of gun welding civilians, shame on them. </sarcasm>

Atticus · 04-18-2007, 10:58 AM

Thats a stretch.

sortie · 04-18-2007, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

Thats a stretch.

Oh really??

So how would G.W. get guns to start a revolution if the gov(Brits) controled all the guns?

Anthony · 04-18-2007, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

We'd still be part of the British empire getting "taxation without representation".

That radical George Washington and his band of gun welding civilians, shame on them. </sarcasm>

We'd be Canadians, eh?

Atticus · 04-18-2007, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sortie

Oh really??

So how would G.W. get guns to start a revolution if the gov(Brits) controled all the guns?

You do realize that times change right? That its not 1776 and we're not trying to free ourselves from British rule?

Only in the US would a tragedy like this happen and instead of it prompting real gun control debate, idiots pop up with the "obvious" solution of MORE GUNS.

"If only all the students at Virginia Tech were packing..."

What a joke.

sortie · 04-18-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

You do realize that times change right? That its not 1776 and we're not trying to free ourselves from British rule?

Only in the US would a tragedy like this happen and instead of it prompting real gun control debate, idiots pop up with the "obvious" solution of MORE GUNS.

"If only all the students at Virginia Tech were packing..."

What a joke.

If US citizens didn't have guns Bush would declare a state of emergency and cancel presidential elections to form his own private kingdom until he won his war on terror.

elitegirls · 04-18-2007, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

If US citizens didn't have guns Bush would declare a state of emergency and cancel presidential elections to form his own private kingdom until he won his war on terror.

wise words!

gun control sux

Phoenix · 04-18-2007, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

You do realize that times change right? That its not 1776 and we're not trying to free ourselves from British rule?

Only in the US would a tragedy like this happen and instead of it prompting real gun control debate, idiots pop up with the "obvious" solution of MORE GUNS.

"If only all the students at Virginia Tech were packing..."

What a joke.

haha...nice point

CDSmith · 04-18-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

Only in the US would a tragedy like this happen and instead of it prompting real gun control debate, idiots pop up with the "obvious" solution of MORE GUNS.

"If only all the students at Virginia Tech were packing..."

What a joke.

It wasn't a solution, it was an observation. The point being is that when you find yourself in a situation where some psycho idiot is shooting at you and trying to kill you it in fact would be nice to have a gun on you so you can defend yourself and maybe save a few lives besides. That was the point, the ONLY point of that thread.

Nowhere did I suggest it was a solution, so while you're passing out clues maybe grab one for yourself.

As for gun control, I'm all for it in certain aspects, all of which I have posted several times previous to this.

Thank you.

Now take a deep breath, and have a nice day.

Michaelious · 04-18-2007, 01:01 PM

Yeah the original comment is a valid excuse for owning guns so that you can kill students (oh look i can do sarcasm too)

D · 04-18-2007, 01:05 PM

I just posted something very similar in another thread, but it really applies here, too, so, pardon me repeating myself:

In the U.S., guns aren't only a tool designed to kill people, they're also a symbol of the citizen's power over his own government.

Part of the spirit behind the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in the eyes of the founding fathers was to enable physical control of the country's citizen militia forces over the Federal government itself. Handguns might not have existed back then, but neither did ICBM's.

As Thomas Jefferson first said in our Declaration of Independence from Britain:

"WHEN, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands, which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation."

or, as he put more succinctly in a letter to James Madison:

"...a little rebellion now and then is a good thing..."

What's often unrealized by a lot of anti-gun peeps in the U.S. is that the Second Amendment was established to, essentially, ensure that the people retained the power to overthrow their government in the future.

While the American system, ideally, enables the citizenry to do so without the need for violence (for each new presidency/congress is, essentially, a peaceful overthrow of the previous government), the importance of the Second Amendment is still present as an enduring freedom to that end.

Don't blame the tools - blame the idiots using them.

Michaelious · 04-18-2007, 01:10 PM

So in case Amerian gets taken over by a dictatorship etc hypothetically that everyone should have guns?

That's nuts.

Anthony · 04-18-2007, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by D

I just posted something very similar in another thread, but it really applies here, too, so, pardon me repeating myself:

In the U.S., guns aren't only a tool designed to kill people, they're also a symbol of the citizen's power over his own government.

Part of the spirit behind the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in the eyes of the founding fathers was to enable physical control of the country's citizen militia forces over the Federal government itself. Handguns might not have existed back then, but neither did ICBM's.

As Thomas Jefferson first said in our Declaration of Independence from Britain:

"WHEN, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands, which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation."

or, as he put more succinctly in a letter to James Madison:

"...a little rebellion now and then is a good thing..."

What's often unrealized by a lot of anti-gun peeps in the U.S. is that the Second Amendment was established to, essentially, ensure that the people retained the power to overthrow their government in the future.

While the American system, ideally, enables the citizenry to do so without the need for violence (for each new presidency/congress is, essentially, a peaceful overthrow of the previous government), the importance of the Second Amendment is still present as an enduring freedom to that end.

Don't blame the tools - blame the idiots using them.

HOLY FUCK, that was awesome. Great post!!!

crockett · 04-18-2007, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

We'd still be part of the British empire getting "taxation without representation".

That radical George Washington and his band of gun welding civilians, shame on them. </sarcasm>

Damn are you saying we have taxation with representation now?
Unless you own halliburton you have no representation in this country anymore. This country was bought and sold long ago to special interest groups and big business.

BlackCrayon · 04-18-2007, 01:19 PM

The only reason the US even won the war was because the british had the most retarded way of fighting, just standing in rows and shooting, meanwhile you had indians in trees killing people.

It was a totally different world back then, you had to hunt for your food or starve. You couldn't just call the police when you had a problem, ect. Not that i am for gun control but the comparison is silly.

beemk · 04-18-2007, 01:24 PM

yeah, we need guns to protect ourselves from that euro trash.

jalami · 04-18-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Michaelious

So in case Amerian gets taken over by a dictatorship etc hypothetically that everyone should have guns?

That's nuts.

What's nuts is that it might already be too late!

Matt 26z · 04-18-2007, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

You do realize that times change right? That its not 1776 and we're not trying to free ourselves from British rule?

You are 100% correct, and THAT is why we need to fight for our gun freedoms. In the state the US is in right now, no, we don't need every civilian armed to protect the country. However you don't know what the world of the future is going to be like.

Fact: American citizens have the firepower to take on any army in the world.

Michaelious · 04-18-2007, 01:53 PM

Society changes, so why not the laws.

Atticus · 04-18-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CDSmith

It wasn't a solution, it was an observation. The point being is that when you find yourself in a situation where some psycho idiot is shooting at you and trying to kill you it in fact would be nice to have a gun on you so you can defend yourself and maybe save a few lives besides. That was the point, the ONLY point of that thread.

Nowhere did I suggest it was a solution, so while you're passing out clues maybe grab one for yourself.

As for gun control, I'm all for it in certain aspects, all of which I have posted several times previous to this.

Thank you.

Now take a deep breath, and have a nice day.

1. I never read your post. I was responding to Paul Revere. So, slow down big fella.

2. Regarding your "observation". Yes I guess it would be nice to have a gun if a crazed psychotic Korean went postal on a campus I was on. It would also be nice to have a parachute if I found myself free falling from 5,000 feet. Doesnt mean I'm going to strap one on my back everywhere I go.

And yes I suppose it would be reassuring to me to have a gun in my possession. However that feeling would be wiped out by the 10 times more terrifying realization that every other 18-22 year old on campus is packing heat.

On a side note: Isnt it funny how the exact people that fight so hard for the right to carry a gun around are the exact people nobody wants carrying a gun. Just an observation.

Atticus · 04-18-2007, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt 26z

You are 100% correct, and THAT is why we need to fight for our gun freedoms. In the state the US is in right now, no, we don't need every civilian armed to protect the country. However you don't know what the world of the future is going to be like.

Fact: American citizens have the firepower to take on any army in the world.

Why stop there? Im sure we could equip ourselves with missile launchers, hand grenades etc.

I mean we got freedoms to protect. That bitch at McDonalds isnt going to fuck up my order again, thats fo sho.

mattz · 04-18-2007, 02:42 PM

If guns are banned in America, it will be just like drugs, any average person will still be able to get them

_Richard_ · 04-18-2007, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by D

Don't blame the tools - blame the idiots using them.

.....and the idiots letting them get away with it again and again, because they don't have the strength to do what is right, or the will to see it.

GOOD POST! GOOD POST!

RawAlex · 04-18-2007, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

We'd still be part of the British empire getting "taxation without representation".

That radical George Washington and his band of gun welding civilians, shame on them. </sarcasm>

Armed in a time of war is a good thing.

Armed in a civilized country with no invading force in the country is a bad thing.

You can arm yourself to the teeth the moment the first north korean brigade hits the shores. Until then, you are just setting yourselves up to kill each other off.

RawAlex · 04-18-2007, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by D

Don't blame the tools - blame the idiots using them.

Blame the tools that hand them out like candy at a kids birthday party.

Blame the tools like the NRA that fight so hard so that every fuckhead and yahoo can have a gun to "protect themselves".

Blame the tools in government for kissing the gun lobby's ass and not working to regulate firearms so that people who have been in a mental hospital as a danger to themselves can still buy a gun with a 1 minute background check.

Blame the tools that spout pointless "it's my right" rhetoric while innocent college students lose their lives.

Yeah blame the tools.

J. Falcon · 04-18-2007, 03:45 PM

thats shy its outdated

12clicks · 04-18-2007, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Armed in a time of war is a good thing.

Armed in a civilized country with no invading force in the country is a bad thing.

You can arm yourself to the teeth the moment the first north korean brigade hits the shores. Until then, you are just setting yourselves up to kill each other off.

odd that our population continues to grow then.

12clicks · 04-18-2007, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Blame the tools that hand them out like candy at a kids birthday party.

Blame the tools like the NRA that fight so hard so that every fuckhead and yahoo can have a gun to "protect themselves".

Blame the tools in government for kissing the gun lobby's ass and not working to regulate firearms so that people who have been in a mental hospital as a danger to themselves can still buy a gun with a 1 minute background check.

Blame the tools that spout pointless "it's my right" rhetoric while innocent college students lose their lives.

Yeah blame the tools.

blame the canadian tools with no understanding of our country, the canadian tools who fall under our protection at zero cost.
Its ok to be a pansy, thats why you have your own country.

KustomKowgurl · 04-18-2007, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

We'd still be part of the British empire getting "taxation without representation".

That radical George Washington and his band of gun welding civilians, shame on them. </sarcasm>

Haha...definitely an interesting way to look at gun control

Scott McD · 04-18-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus

Only in the US would a tragedy like this happen and instead of it prompting real gun control debate, idiots pop up with the "obvious" solution of MORE GUNS.

"If only all the students at Virginia Tech were packing..."

What a joke.

No shit !!

I can't believe some of the views on this actually. Here in Britain, on many boards people are talking about how surely this will be a wake up call, and America will change it's ways.

If only they could see some of this shit....

Anthony · 04-18-2007, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott McD

No shit !!

I can't believe some of the views on this actually. Here in Britain, on many boards people are talking about how surely this will be a wake up call, and America will change it's ways.

If only they could see some of this shit....

USA change it's ways?

Like banning guns, lke the Brits did, in 1997?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm

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A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned.

The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals.

The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead.

Existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place

David Bredin
Campaign for Shooting

But the report suggests that despite the restrictions on ownership the use of handguns in crime is rising.

The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000.

It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession.

Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime.

And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average.

Way to go! Ban the guns so honest law abiding citizens are defenseless! Only criminals in the UK are allowed guns.

sortie · 04-18-2007, 05:16 PM

To all gun control freaks:

When the government takes away all the guns from the people I will
enroll in Virginia Tech, become a loner, write crazy shit in english class, talk about my imaginary girl friend and then rent a car and mow all you fuckers down on the sidewalk with it just to prove the point that : Psychos don't need no stinking gun, they just need targets.

Just kidding; but think about it;

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2111466.shtml

Because you might want to ban cars too.

Maybe ban flamable liquids too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_Social_Club

I could go on.

You should notice that of all these killings the people who had the best chance of escape and self defense were the ones facing a killer with a gun.

sortie · 04-18-2007, 05:24 PM

Gun Control and Abstinence

One would stop violence

One would stop AIDS

Neither would ever fucking work.

wizhard · 04-18-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sortie

We'd still be part of the British empire getting "taxation without representation".

That radical George Washington and his band of gun welding civilians, shame on them. </sarcasm>

The gun brought your "people" "freedom".

Now you must pay the ferryman.

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sortie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,771	If we'd had gun control in 1776... We'd still be part of the British empire getting "taxation without representation". That radical George Washington and his band of gun welding civilians, shame on them. </sarcasm>

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Michaelious Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 6,720	Yeah the original comment is a valid excuse for owning guns so that you can kill students (oh look i can do sarcasm too) __________________

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D Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley Posts: 7,412	I just posted something very similar in another thread, but it really applies here, too, so, pardon me repeating myself: In the U.S., guns aren't only a tool designed to kill people, they're also a symbol of the citizen's power over his own government. Part of the spirit behind the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution in the eyes of the founding fathers was to enable physical control of the country's citizen militia forces over the Federal government itself. Handguns might not have existed back then, but neither did ICBM's. As Thomas Jefferson first said in our Declaration of Independence from Britain: "WHEN, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands, which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation." or, as he put more succinctly in a letter to James Madison: "...a little rebellion now and then is a good thing..." What's often unrealized by a lot of anti-gun peeps in the U.S. is that the Second Amendment was established to, essentially, ensure that the people retained the power to overthrow their government in the future. While the American system, ideally, enables the citizenry to do so without the need for violence (for each new presidency/congress is, essentially, a peaceful overthrow of the previous government), the importance of the Second Amendment is still present as an enduring freedom to that end. Don't blame the tools - blame the idiots using them. __________________ -D. ICQ: 202-96-31

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sortie Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,771	To all gun control freaks: When the government takes away all the guns from the people I will enroll in Virginia Tech, become a loner, write crazy shit in english class, talk about my imaginary girl friend and then rent a car and mow all you fuckers down on the sidewalk with it just to prove the point that : Psychos don't need no stinking gun, they just need targets. Just kidding; but think about it; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...n2111466.shtml Because you might want to ban cars too. Maybe ban flamable liquids too. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_Social_Club I could go on. You should notice that of all these killings the people who had the best chance of escape and self defense were the ones facing a killer with a gun.

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