Originally Posted by QuaShe (Post 12281918)

If you would break down your replies in alineas you would at least come over a bit more intelligent :2 cents:

Those students were pussies? The cops maybe but you can not blame the students on this :2 cents:

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12280305)

I know I was not there.... and could I have tottally stopped the situation ? who knows dood.. but I do know I would have TRIED... as fas as I see and your right it is my opnion which I stated a bunch of times by saying stuff like "as far as I can see" and "IMO" I personally thing that the LE that first arrived and later on the units that were arriving did that way wrong... from what I saw they were just standing by while gunshots were going off... maybe I come from a differenet breed of wanting to help people dood but from what I saw, read, heard they did not handel it right at all.... don;t take my word for it... go read some LE message boards they are all saying the same thing... the police that arrived on that scene did not handel the situation right...

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12280305)

what I find funny is 90% of the people in here who are saying I would not have done anything.. know nothing about me or who I am.. they know me on the boards and if they wanted to meet me in person to "see what I am all about" all they have to do is ask... fact I'll give the first 5 people free 2 day defencive handgun classes out where I train people at a place called front sight http://frontsight.com .. this isint abuot what I know or don;t know.. this is abot the will to survive and compassion for human beings... everyone stood by while innocent kids got shot thats the bottom line.... and I think it will come out I am right dood I really do... just wait.. there will be law suits from the familys and they will win... higher ups in the police force will loose jobs there... its going to happen.... we will see...

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12280305)

I got into a big arguemnt with my wife last night she says that his writings should have triggerd off people.. well I can't agree because take for instance the script alone to friday the 13th or the saw or nightmare on elm st... there all pretty grusum flicks and even worse to read the script alone.... I dunno .. I just feel so bad man I really do that all these innocent kids died because the police dept did't breach when they should have

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12281667)

excatly what I am talking about.... pussies.... I hope to god nothing happends to me and those type of people are around.. type of people lock themselvs in a room to call 911.. fucking pussies....

the cops, the students, the teachers, and admin of the school..

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12281975)

Oops! OK.. Enough... thought there was at least one braincell functioning - obviously not.

You are an idiot with a bad attitude to be in possession of any weapon - classic example of "the public" mentioned in the previous post.

Originally Posted by Wanton (Post 12281990)

and I hope to god him or someone like him is standing next to me when they come to stick me and and my family on a box car . . :)

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12281953)

I hear ya DD!

Of course there will probably be things that "could have been done" - everyone can say that about any incident - every homicide, with guns or otherwise, often has things that could have been done. It's easy for us to sit and ponder on hindsight. Even with highly experience people who know in advance what to expect and the "target" (not necessarily in a gun sense!) is totally unaware - there are still things that could have been done, and always will be.




We have not met DD, only know from your posts here - so can't comment on the first bit - people do whatever under whatever circumstances - that is hard to predict unless physically on the scene and depending on whatever circumstances.

Will throw you this thought DD... It is more than clear there is a severe firearms problem in the US - not just because of this particular incident, but over a period of time. The source appears to be the availability of weapons within the public arena, coupled with a mentality to misuse them on occasion and also no consideration/vetting of individuals over time as to their mental balance/competence.

When an individual accesses a weapon or is trained in the usage of a weapon - there is no crystal ball that says this person will not abuse/kill others in the future. That is impossible to predict. That fact that they may have been trained in usage prob presents more danger to other members of the public and also to law enforcement - basically the odds are more people will get killed.

What you are now offering to do is train five people you do not know in what is described as "defensive handgun classes" with a concern to both "survive and show compassion for human beings". There is no clue as to what weapons in their possession will be used for in the future, (depending on their mental state), and this has nothing whatsoever to do with compassion for human beings. In reality, you are training potential killers and putting the lives of the public and others at risk.

I have nothing against guns in particular, even enjoyed a number of training sessions with an LE instructor friend, but elected not to possess a weapon for reasons given at the time - was more fun than anything. Basically the more guns in the public domain, the more potential killers will cause the deaths of others in the future. The public are idiots - give idiots guns and they will kill.




Think I'd be inclined to agree with your wife on this DD :-) But suspect it does not take even seeing the "multimedia show" to know this. Once again, the guy was provided with weapons when his mental state was unknown - this appears to be failure two. Failure one was that it appears the shooter had a long history of mental instability and was ignored in respect of treatment.

The "messages" left behind are not a surprise - fundamentally he was clearly mentally ill with possible delusions of persecution (tho time will tell on the reality of this). This apparently was not a new illness - it existed many years and he was a source of problems to others in "managing" him.

Only my :2 cents: - would personally lay "blame" initially at a failure to get this guy treatment - there was more than enough time. Second, I'd be looking at the idiots who supplied/gave any permits/trained this young man to enable him to make his fantasies a reality.

Sure.. give condolences to the families/friends of all who were kill and injured, but no doubts this will happen again, and again. Between these outbursts, many more other will be killed (tho not CNN headlines) - simply because weapons are in the hands of the public - and again - the public are idiots and the volume of them leave little room to have some controlling mechanism :pimp

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12281998)

Seriously? No.. don't need idiots around - they are a danger.

It may just be "loose mouth" or some macho tendency, but the attitude is too infantile - basically a problem to have around.

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282022)

as far as frontsight goes.. all I can do is give away the class and I am one of the instructors during the handgun classes... the background check and all paperwork would still be done by frontsight.. I belive they go back from 18th birthday on.. not 100% on that.. so yeah I would be training people I don't know personally but no difference between that and if you were to go signup yourself for the course .. only difference is you don't pay when I get you in hahahahaha...

here is the prob... when they run you for a firearm to buy you are run through ncic and a local database which here in nevada it's called scope... you are not run for anything but convictions at that time to own a firearm.. I think thats a bit to easy... when you apply for a ccw thats when the background check goes from a simple phone call to some checking....

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282022)

training goes ... as far as training criminals? well hey look at

Tim McVeigh
Lee Oswald

2 killers off the top of my head who were trained by this very gov that gives us our freedom to make porno to feed our mouths with.. is everyone trained bad? nope all you can do is really hope the good guys are better, faster, and bigger balls than the bad guys and the cowards

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12282064)

Got ya... and kinda familiar with the checking - it's nonsense :-)



Agree DD - back to the dialog about the ability of possess a weapon - there is no predictability as to the future mental competence of the owner of a weapon.

It's not a complete answer, (I'm no expert), but appears the problem is the number of weapons in circulation (presumably based on some "right" which is kinda irrelevant in today's world), and these weapons are free for any member of the public to do as they wish with. If they are trained - even more damage can result.

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282053)

am I like really stoned or is everyone taking this way off the deep end...

how do you turn me saying that I would not stand by and watch anyone get killed without doing anything and anyone who does is a pussy into

oh your a macho with a big mouth?

like seriously... so your telling me that if I were standing there and someone came into the room pointing a gun at your mother after he just shot say 4 people around.... you just want me to say .. hey sorry lady your on your own see ya later? sorry man I could not do that I would feel like a pussy and a coward and would prolly kill myself to know that I stood around while people were murdered.. if you don't feel the same way my friend then you too are a pussy who would stand around while my children were being murdered... you see where I am going with this?

Originally Posted by Phoenix (Post 12282069)

WATCH OUT YOU FAGGOTS IM USING CAPS HERE FUCKERS

hahaha...unless you beenin the army and have had the experience of being shot at and kill or be killed..you shouldnt be talkin tough man.

id like to say id help stop as well..but most likely id watch out for my own ass and boogie out of there.


when i first started dating my wife here in toronto.
we were walking down y onge st when a white kid and a black kid started fighting in front of us..ai mean really trying to hurt each other not this pansy crap you see at a bar....anyway i steered us around it, thinking we would walk by with no problems.

well all of a sudden the white kid pulls out a gun.
what did i do? I grabbed my wifes hand and ran into the nearest store front and locked the door..lol

we opened it for another couple that came in behind us..and then him and i locked the door again.

the clerk was all pissed off until she found out there was someone with a gun outside...lol

that was intense...if he had fired one shot..we would have ran out the back of the store.

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12282125)

DD.. Calling people "pussies" is not exactly a "balanced" term to use for those on the scene of a crime or are victims. We know nothing, other than media reports of this incident.

An attitude of adopting a macho slant and calling others pussies is ... makes ya wince.

Know only too well others in law enforcement would also be wincing. They deal with this shit ... varying, as but part of their lives. Some more than others - and can assure you even LE will adopt the standard procedure and run like hell under certain circumstances - that make them "pussies" as well? It's a balanced judgement to cover ass.

Originally Posted by Splum (Post 12273891)

What a retarded comparison.
Guns are a RIGHT that this country was BASED on, without guns this country would not exist. Guns are what KEEP this country the most powerful nation ever in the history of this planet.

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282168)

your right pussy is a bad term that I should not be using to argue a valid point I will stick to coward... and yeah that is a crime and victim of a crime or not you can still be a coward.. I know its not PC to walk up and say to someone who just saw 10 people shot in front of him hey dood you shold have done something... but reality is reality... the hell with candy coating something.... and your right all we know is media reports... and you know what I could be tottally wrong in everything.... unless I have time frames of walking up stairs, entering hallways, time in between shots.. victim placement, suspect placement at the time of each shot.. where each round ended up ect ect.. there are many many variables that we will never get to put into play as civilians... I am only speaking on a civilian level when I say this


I would not have stood by bottom line... gun or no gun.. you telling me theres no books to throw? to pens? no chairs?

Originally Posted by Webby (Post 12282338)

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

DD.. You are stuffing up potential situations which we don't even know occurred! To be honest, and it's only me, but that kinda wants to make me question a couple of things :-)

There are a whole range of scenarios the "could" be possible - or not. Assuming this and time is kinda pointless.

Even experience people can't predict what may happen - depends on many factors. Sure, there is the "rulebook" to operate from, but ya got a apply that with some flexibility, depending.

If the victims (and presumably LE) are now "cowards" for whatever - well.. I can tell ya I got more confidence in them (and a couple in particular) than someone not dealing with this as a "profession". They will do whatever depending on the scenario - shoes off and run barefoot as fast as hell. Other times it's a broken collarbone/jaw to disable person - others it's a shooting to "non fatal" body areas (depending how much of a threat). These folks (least the one's I know) have been shot, stabbed, raped, had baseball bats to heads - and more MRI scans than they care to remember. Bottom line - they don't "assume", are in total control of themselves first, use a balanced judgement and have survived the deaths of several partners. It's not a friggin game for a chatboard and talk about "cowards" and "pussies" and the average member of the public is not either trained or necessarily have the ability to confront a gunman. (And please don't say ya do!! *lol* Chances are you would be on the floor suffering a broken collarbone before even grabbing a weapon).

All that shit is not "macho" - it's serious, and people who do it don't try to convey how they would have went in and had a gunfight wild-west style *lol*

Originally Posted by DirtyDanza (Post 12282352)

I disagree with you man... I agree with the fact many variable went on that we will never know.. but a fact remains.. do SOMETHING POSITIVE not run away like a coward.....