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jact · 04-16-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Your content store closed down. It was not good enough. Plus you were not professional enough to get the 2257 straight.

Yes you made lots of money, you now work on an hourly wage or commission?

Don't try bull shitting a bull shitter.

I closed my non-exclusive content store because it was a pain in the ass, I closed my exclusive content production because I grew tired of it and went full time with Homegrown. Had nothing to do with being professional enough to get 2257 straight, my records are exemplary.

As far as what I make now, Paul.. I'm very comfortable.

LadyMischief · 04-16-2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Your content store closed down. It was not good enough. Plus you were not professional enough to get the 2257 straight.

Yes you made lots of money, you now work on an hourly wage or commission?

Don't try bull shitting a bull shitter.

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHH AHAHAHA

HAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
let me catch my breath
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAA

Ok Mister I know all, with all your connections why don't you just ask around what it is we do at Homegrown lol.

This is from the guy who didn't know what a "traffic leak" was. HAHAHHAHAHAHHA

Paul Markham · 04-16-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by jact

I closed my non-exclusive content store because it was a pain in the ass, I closed my exclusive content production because I grew tired of it and went full time with Homegrown. Had nothing to do with being professional enough to get 2257 straight, my records are exemplary.

As far as what I make now, Paul.. I'm very comfortable.

Yes your business was such a pain in the ass and you were making so much money from it you closed it down.

Back when I came to the Internet you and your lady wife, plus Unseen Content and a few others were busy telling me my "Magazine" style was not needed on the Net.

7 years later you're working for someone else and your stuff is so in demand your store was a pain in the ass.

LM who gives a care what you do working for others, you could not cut it working for yourself in the content business.

Or do you want us to believe HomeGrown pay you $120,000. Shit for a little bit more they could get me and Eva.

jact · 04-16-2007, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes your business was such a pain in the ass and you were making so much money from it you closed it down.

Back when I came to the Internet you and your lady wife, plus Unseen Content and a few others were busy telling me my "Magazine" style was not needed on the Net.

7 years later you're working for someone else and your stuff is so in demand your store was a pain in the ass.

LM who gives a care what you do working for others, you could not cut it working for yourself in the content business.

Or do you want us to believe HomeGrown pay you $120,000. Shit for a little bit more they could get me and Eva.

You are completely without clue.

StuartD · 04-16-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Yes your business was such a pain in the ass and you were making so much money from it you closed it down.

Back when I came to the Internet you and your lady wife, plus Unseen Content and a few others were busy telling me my "Magazine" style was not needed on the Net.

7 years later you're working for someone else and your stuff is so in demand your store was a pain in the ass.

LM who gives a care what you do working for others, you could not cut it working for yourself in the content business.

Or do you want us to believe HomeGrown pay you $120,000. Shit for a little bit more they could get me and Eva.

Wow, nothing but assumptions, aren't you? I've never seen someone make so many and yet not get any right.

woj · 04-16-2007, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Webby

I can see a Clickbank style ebook on this...

"How To Make $$$$$$$'s Photographing Beautiful Women Worldwide"

What would you expect to pay for this expertise? $1000? $500? $400? Nope! Just $99.95 - offer is open till midnight and GFY trolls especially welcome

Paul Markham · 04-16-2007, 10:17 AM

I started this thread as a bit of sarcasm to some of the others offering people get rich quick schemes for little investment, in time, money, effort, skills or talent.

Most of them are aimed at gullible newbies in the hope they will drive a few hundred hits to a site that badly needs traffic. Well it appears to be badly needing to stoop to conning people into thinking it's easy.

So let me tell you the truth. If it were easy everyone would be doing and there would be little to no money in it. Except for the very hard working and talented. Or those who got in a long time before and feeding off newbies.

What's your chances of making $120,000 profit a year shooting naked women, after a year of trying?

Zero to very little. If there were I would not be telling you to do it, I would not put up a blog explaining how to do it. Because common sense tells me you would be taking my business and money away. Jact and LM could only keep a content store running while the Net was desperate for content. Believe my story or theirs, choice is yours.

What's the chances of you losing money shooting content. VERY VERY HIGH.

What's the odds of you making $120,000 driving traffic in your first year?

Ask some of the guys who have been doing it for years and they will tell you. None what so ever. You got better odds picking up a camera.

Look around you and see the people telling you the price of an average second hand car is a lot of money. That tells you more about them and your odds of making real money than anything else. A business where newbies drive traffic and earn $50,000 would not reckon $5,000 a lot of money.

So please the porn business is not a road paved with gold. It's hard work and a long slog. Or you do what Dirty White Boy does and shoot something illegal in the country he works in.

Anyone who thinks Jact was making $120,000 a year and closed it down because it was a pain in the ass, can follow his advice. I made assumptions on the basis I don't close down a business making money and would not think it a pain in the ass.

For someone without a clue and making the wrong assumptions I do all right.

jact · 04-16-2007, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I started this thread as a bit of sarcasm to some of the others offering people get rich quick schemes for little investment, in time, money, effort, skills or talent.

Most of them are aimed at gullible newbies in the hope they will drive a few hundred hits to a site that badly needs traffic. Well it appears to be badly needing to stoop to conning people into thinking it's easy.

So let me tell you the truth. If it were easy everyone would be doing and there would be little to no money in it. Except for the very hard working and talented. Or those who got in a long time before and feeding off newbies.

What's your chances of making $120,000 profit a year shooting naked women, after a year of trying?

Zero to very little. If there were I would not be telling you to do it, I would not put up a blog explaining how to do it. Because common sense tells me you would be taking my business and money away. Jact and LM could only keep a content store running while the Net was desperate for content. Believe my story or theirs, choice is yours.

What's the chances of you losing money shooting content. VERY VERY HIGH.

What's the odds of you making $120,000 driving traffic in your first year?

Ask some of the guys who have been doing it for years and they will tell you. None what so ever. You got better odds picking up a camera.

Look around you and see the people telling you the price of an average second hand car is a lot of money. That tells you more about them and your odds of making real money than anything else. A business where newbies drive traffic and earn $50,000 would not reckon $5,000 a lot of money.

So please the porn business is not a road paved with gold. It's hard work and a long slog. Or you do what Dirty White Boy does and shoot something illegal in the country he works in.

Anyone who thinks Jact was making $120,000 a year and closed it down because it was a pain in the ass, can follow his advice. I made assumptions on the basis I don't close down a business making money and would not think it a pain in the ass.

For someone without a clue and making the wrong assumptions I do all right.

Hey asshat, pull your head out of your ass long enough to make the distinction. My non-exclusive content store wasn't making my living, I closed it down back in 2004 after a year of it running on autopilot mostly for the people I was reselling.

I made my money in content shooting exclusives. Or are you too dimwitted to understand that? My clients still ask me to shoot, I just couldn't be arsed.

LadyMischief · 04-16-2007, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

LM who gives a care what you do working for others, you could not cut it working for yourself in the content business.

Paul, if your head hadn't been up your ass for the last oh... god knows how many years, you would have realized that I did extremely well for myself in DESIGN AND MARKETING consultation for the last 4 years. I helped the hubby with small details on content but that was his business, not mine. I worked for pretty much every program on this board, and many that aren't. In fact, when you started your little website I remember offering you some advice on how to help out, since the teen niche is one of my specialities, but you shot me down and I never bothered to offer help to you again. Why not ask around, though, Paul, there's more than a few teen sponsors who've made serious bank from my work and continue to do so even though I haven't done a design for them in 2+ years. You sure know your shit, big guy.

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Or do you want us to believe HomeGrown pay you $120,000. Shit for a little bit more they could get me and Eva.

Homegrown treat me EXTREMELY well, I love each and every one of them, and I work my guts out for them just like I have for every person I've ever worked with/for. Hard work gets rewarded.

Just for you though, Paul, they value me so little because I'm just useless grunt that they got me a crappy laptop so I could try to stumble along.

http://www.fubarwebmasters.com/galle.../52/z03852.jpg

I'm sure they happily do that for all their grunts.

Bloomor · 04-16-2007, 11:28 AM

Hey Paul I have alot of questions........here are some!

First of all:

How could you as a shooter in the U.S. get by with shooting (legal content)?
most places are exempt as far as I know from porn shooting but I know there are ways around it!!!(please explain this if possible).....

secondly:

Do you know if there is still a market for content (off the web)?
it would seem to me at this point that alot of U.S. shooters are going to be going back into the magazine game because of 2257!

Thirdly:

I do value your advice for you have made a total life and career of it (not as an unprofessional but a master)...............
So with that I would like to ask "hey paul if I got 100 chicks ready to get nasty on film and I got the 5k to invest could you help me out????

polish_aristocrat · 04-16-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mattz

Sorry let me rephrase that, anyone that has been in this business awhile and knows what they are doing can invest 5 grand and make 10 grand in a month

:

how about I give you $5k and you give me $7k back in one month?

or did you mean I have to do some work? in that case it's not really an investment

pornguy · 04-16-2007, 11:52 AM

I was going to shoot content, but my thumb always gets in the way.

Paul Markham · 04-17-2007, 12:16 AM

Jact and LM.

Sorry but I'm not a quitter and I do not give up a good business with people relying on me because it becomes "A pain in the ass". Do you treat everything like this?

You could be quitters or you could be people who tried something and when it no longer worked moved on.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going and make more money because the quitters leave it open for them.

Of course I'm making assumptions again based on your statements.

Paul Markham · 04-17-2007, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bloomor

Hey Paul I have alot of questions........here are some!

First of all:

How could you as a shooter in the U.S. get by with shooting (legal content)?
most places are exempt as far as I know from porn shooting but I know there are ways around it!!!(please explain this if possible).....

secondly:

Do you know if there is still a market for content (off the web)?
it would seem to me at this point that alot of U.S. shooters are going to be going back into the magazine game because of 2257!

Thirdly:

I do value your advice for you have made a total life and career of it (not as an unprofessional but a master)...............
So with that I would like to ask "hey paul if I got 100 chicks ready to get nasty on film and I got the 5k to invest could you help me out????

As has been pointed out you do need to talk to a lawyer when opening a new business or a new level/side to the business. This applies if your selling peanuts or porn and is elementary. Yes there are areas in the the World that shooting porn is illegal. People who do it risk getting a visit from the police and worse.

Don't know anyway around the law.

The market off the web varies from some very poor to very good. For most of these markets 2257 is more important than the Internet. If someone does not want to give out their home address on the Net, they can move to an office, shoot for others or go find another job. I fully support 2257 and think it should be tight to comply with. Being able to comply puts you in an elite and the law does not cost us surfers. Sorry but this is business not a social club.

Shooting for magazines is easy, getting them to buy is tough. You're up against shooters who do not quit when the going gets tough.

Getting chicks to perform in front of a camera is the easiest part of my job, getting $5,000 to buy simple equipment is the second easiest part of my job.

This is 2007 and more girls today will do solo girl and lesbian work than ever they would in 1997, 1987 or 1977. A video camera good enough for professional work today costs from $1,000 and up. Back in 1987 a Beta Cam camera was $50,000.

Hence the market is saturated with content shot by people who picked up a cheap camera and have access to girls. Simple facts of life.

jact · 04-17-2007, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Jact and LM.

Sorry but I'm not a quitter and I do not give up a good business with people relying on me because it becomes "A pain in the ass". Do you treat everything like this?

You could be quitters or you could be people who tried something and when it no longer worked moved on.

When the going gets tough, the tough get going and make more money because the quitters leave it open for them.

Of course I'm making assumptions again based on your statements.

"good business" ? It wasn't my main source of income, I'm sure there'll be 600 people to fill the void that will be created, oh dear however will anyone cope that I've moved on to different things? You're truly a sad, sad man Paul. Narrow minded doesn't even begin to describe you.

Paul Markham · 04-17-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by polish_aristocrat

how about I give you $5k and you give me $7k back in one month?

or did you mean I have to do some work? in that case it's not really an investment

If it was as easy as having $5,000 to turn it into $10,000 a month there would be hundreds doing it. $5,000 is not a lot and those with $5,000 would have the market cornered.

This is GFY and it's easy to tell people complete illogical bullshit that in the real world people see through it right away.

"Give me $5,000 and I can turn it into $10,000 a month. It's easy."

"I quit a successful job, when it becomes a pain in the ass."

That's just this thread.

Paul Markham · 04-17-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jact

"good business" ? It wasn't my main source of income, I'm sure there'll be 600 people to fill the void that will be created, oh dear however will anyone cope that I've moved on to different things? You're truly a sad, sad man Paul. Narrow minded doesn't even begin to describe you.

So $120,000 a year is not a good business?

Like I said this is GFY.

Do you know what's really insulting?

You think most of the people here are stupid enough to believe you.

You had a part time business making you more than $120,000 a year and you quit.

jact · 04-17-2007, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

If it was as easy as having $5,000 to turn it into $10,000 a month there would be hundreds doing it. $5,000 is not a lot and those with $5,000 would have the market cornered.

This is GFY and it's easy to tell people complete illogical bullshit that in the real world people see through it right away.

"Give me $5,000 and I can turn it into $10,000 a month. It's easy."

"I quit a successful job, when it becomes a pain in the ass."

That's just this thread.

Man, you just won't let go will you? You keep drudging up a site that hasn't existed in 3 years as "a successful job". Paul, do me a favor and go slam your head into the concrete for an hour, maybe it'll jar some of the screws loose so you can form logical thought. Not everyone is going to stick with doing the same thing for the rest of their lives. You branched out into paysites, how hard is it to believe that I went a different way but decided to discontinue something that took time and focus away from what made my income? Christ.

jact · 04-17-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

So $120,000 a year is not a good business?

Like I said this is GFY.

Do you know what's really insulting?

You think most of the people here are stupid enough to believe you.

You had a part time business making you more than $120,000 a year and you quit.

My non-exclusive store which you seem to harp on endlessly about wasn't earning me jack for the last year it was online, I was paying most of it to the people I was reselling. I'm sure they adjusted to life without the non-exclusive commissions by not ordering extra cheese on their pizza..

My exclusive content business on the other hand was doing well and flourishing, but perhaps you missed the fact that I was deathly ill for 2006 and the drains on my health to shoot content were not worth it to me. It isn't all about money. You seem to think that everything is black and white, cut and dry, because I quit I must not have been making any money. You couldn't be more wrong.

Paul Markham · 04-17-2007, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jact

Man, you just won't let go will you? You keep drudging up a site that hasn't existed in 3 years as "a successful job". Paul, do me a favor and go slam your head into the concrete for an hour, maybe it'll jar some of the screws loose so you can form logical thought. Not everyone is going to stick with doing the same thing for the rest of their lives. You branched out into paysites, how hard is it to believe that I went a different way but decided to discontinue something that took time and focus away from what made my income? Christ.

I increased my business to paysites. I did not close a business making $120,000 that was not a "main source of income" to go work for others.

You said it was making $120,000 a year, not your main income and you quit because it was a pain in the ass. Sounds like you must be on a very big wage at Home Grown.

jact · 04-17-2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

I increased my business to paysites. I did not close a business making $120,000 that was not a "main source of income" to go work for others.

You said it was making $120,000 a year, not your main income and you quit because it was a pain in the ass. Sounds like you must be on a very big wage at Home Grown.

I said the non-exclusive content store was a pain in the ass, could you kindly go back to grade 3 and learn how to read and comprehend?

Shakula · 04-17-2007, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham

As there are other get rich quick threads I thought I would do one as well. It's a lot easier than the other one.

As we are all told anyone can shoot content, it's not tough and an old fool like me can do it so it has to be easy.

Simple steps.

Buy digital camera $1,000 and up.
Buy a video camera, $1000 and up.
Buy 2 strobe flash lights $1,000 and up, inc. the accessories.
Put an ad in the local students paper for nude models.

Spam GFY with pictures of the girls who turn up and email some of the big sponsors to shoot exclusive, there are loads who will buy from you.
You can pay a model $500 a day and add $1,000 for expenses. This is solo girl and lesbian and boy-girl pays better.

Easy to get 2-3 days work a week. Also shoot her for magazines, they pay from $800 to $4,000 for a set non exclusive. Yes you have to wait for the money, but you're already on a profit shooting the exclusive. Should be able to do 50 sets a year at $1,000 a set ABSOLUTE MINIMUM. We do a lot more.

As we have been told for years non exclusive is saturated, therefore we have to be selling it. so shoot some of the girl for yourself and give it to brokers. This will provide long term income.

If the above does not work for you then there is a problem. A clueless idiot like me does it and more, well not the exclusive because the big programs will not pay my prices.

In a few months I will re employ a shooter of ours who has been away on maternity leave, she's driving traffic at the moment. She will be shooting when she starts full time work again. I think it pays better than blogging.

Is it hard to learn how to shoot? Well a bozo like me has taught 4 people so far. So can't be to hard.

Grandpa, lets be honest. Me including the majority of GFY knows that you use a fucking cellphone to take pictures and videos of your "models".
Atleast if we judge by the quality of the photos you have.

Nice try. Move on people, no drama here.

jact · 04-17-2007, 01:01 AM

It's like arguing with a brick wall, I'm not sure why I fell for it. Have fun twisting words to make yourself look like a king, Paul.

Oh and for the record, if content is king as you've been saying for years, Homegrown owns your ass in that department too.

Paul Markham · 04-17-2007, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jact

My non-exclusive store which you seem to harp on endlessly about wasn't earning me jack for the last year it was online, I was paying most of it to the people I was reselling. I'm sure they adjusted to life without the non-exclusive commissions by not ordering extra cheese on their pizza..

My exclusive content business on the other hand was doing well and flourishing, but perhaps you missed the fact that I was deathly ill for 2006 and the drains on my health to shoot content were not worth it to me. It isn't all about money. You seem to think that everything is black and white, cut and dry, because I quit I must not have been making any money. You couldn't be more wrong.

There we go the truth is coming out. The non exclusive content, ours sells very well, was not making JACK. The exclusive was making tons of money. You quit through ill health.

Why did you say it was because it was a pain in the ass?

Sorry but I have a business to run and arguing with someone who shifts and changes like you do is a pain in the ass. See I'm a quitter.

Webby · 04-17-2007, 01:12 AM

Damn

This thread is awesome *lol* Never thought so many people would believe this thread was actually serious

There are words like "cynicism" and "sarcasm" - also a sense of humor goes a long way

BoardiesBitch · 04-17-2007, 02:54 AM

Paul Markham has always been
is and
will always be

an idiot

Hot Mama Janet · 04-21-2007, 05:53 PM

Hey Paul did you used to ride a bike back in 1974?

Webby · 04-21-2007, 06:00 PM

And it gets more amusing with every post

04-16-2007, 10:17 AM	#57
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	I started this thread as a bit of sarcasm to some of the others offering people get rich quick schemes for little investment, in time, money, effort, skills or talent. Most of them are aimed at gullible newbies in the hope they will drive a few hundred hits to a site that badly needs traffic. Well it appears to be badly needing to stoop to conning people into thinking it's easy. So let me tell you the truth. If it were easy everyone would be doing and there would be little to no money in it. Except for the very hard working and talented. Or those who got in a long time before and feeding off newbies. What's your chances of making $120,000 profit a year shooting naked women, after a year of trying? Zero to very little. If there were I would not be telling you to do it, I would not put up a blog explaining how to do it. Because common sense tells me you would be taking my business and money away. Jact and LM could only keep a content store running while the Net was desperate for content. Believe my story or theirs, choice is yours. What's the chances of you losing money shooting content. VERY VERY HIGH. What's the odds of you making $120,000 driving traffic in your first year? Ask some of the guys who have been doing it for years and they will tell you. None what so ever. You got better odds picking up a camera. Look around you and see the people telling you the price of an average second hand car is a lot of money. That tells you more about them and your odds of making real money than anything else. A business where newbies drive traffic and earn $50,000 would not reckon $5,000 a lot of money. So please the porn business is not a road paved with gold. It's hard work and a long slog. Or you do what Dirty White Boy does and shoot something illegal in the country he works in. Anyone who thinks Jact was making $120,000 a year and closed it down because it was a pain in the ass, can follow his advice. I made assumptions on the basis I don't close down a business making money and would not think it a pain in the ass. For someone without a clue and making the wrong assumptions I do all right. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

04-16-2007, 11:52 AM	#62
pornguy Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 62,911	I was going to shoot content, but my thumb always gets in the way. __________________ PornGuy skype me pornguy_epic AmateurDough The Hottes Shemales online! TChicks.com \| Angeles Cid \| Mariana Cordoba \| MAILERS WELCOME!

04-17-2007, 12:16 AM	#63
Paul Markham Too old to care Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: On the sofa, watching TV or doing my jigsaws. Posts: 52,943	Jact and LM. Sorry but I'm not a quitter and I do not give up a good business with people relying on me because it becomes "A pain in the ass". Do you treat everything like this? You could be quitters or you could be people who tried something and when it no longer worked moved on. When the going gets tough, the tough get going and make more money because the quitters leave it open for them. Of course I'm making assumptions again based on your statements. __________________ Blowout deal. 880 videos, 2,400 image sets, plus many RAW videos. $500. PM me for a deal. Skype Paulmarkham70

04-17-2007, 01:01 AM	#73
jact Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Oakville, Canada Posts: 9,134	It's like arguing with a brick wall, I'm not sure why I fell for it. Have fun twisting words to make yourself look like a king, Paul. Oh and for the record, if content is king as you've been saying for years, Homegrown owns your ass in that department too. __________________ Free agent

04-17-2007, 01:12 AM	#75
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	Damn This thread is awesome lol Never thought so many people would believe this thread was actually serious There are words like "cynicism" and "sarcasm" - also a sense of humor goes a long way __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.

04-16-2007, 11:28 AM	#60
Bloomor So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 7	Hey Paul I have alot of questions........here are some! First of all: How could you as a shooter in the U.S. get by with shooting (legal content)? most places are exempt as far as I know from porn shooting but I know there are ways around it!!!(please explain this if possible)..... secondly: Do you know if there is still a market for content (off the web)? it would seem to me at this point that alot of U.S. shooters are going to be going back into the magazine game because of 2257! Thirdly: I do value your advice for you have made a total life and career of it (not as an unprofessional but a master)............... So with that I would like to ask "hey paul if I got 100 chicks ready to get nasty on film and I got the 5k to invest could you help me out????

04-17-2007, 02:54 AM	#76
BoardiesBitch Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 861	Paul Markham has always been is and will always be an idiot

04-21-2007, 05:53 PM	#77
Hot Mama Janet So Fucking Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 175	Hey Paul did you used to ride a bike back in 1974?

04-21-2007, 06:00 PM	#78
Webby Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Far far away - as possible Posts: 14,956	And it gets more amusing with every post __________________ XXX TLD's - Another mosquito to swat.