Bruce Lee's reflexes, speed, and power were legendary. He could make use of almost any common object as a lethal weapon. Once he was captured by some Honk Kong gangsters who were so in awe of his abilities that they tied him with heavy chains to a chair. With only 1 inch of play available to his hands, in one motion he ripped the nail holding the leg to the chair out and flicked it through the forehead of the head gangster, spattering his skull and brains in little chunks all over the room.

That is where the expression "death nail" came from.

Bruce was faster and smarter! :thumbsup

Once, while filming in China, Bruce carved an entire Buddha, 80 feet tall X 80 feet wide, in a mountainside just by urinating.

Your right thats what I mean...

But dude real masters ...not self proclaim master... I did judo for almost 20 years and I ad the chance to met real masters and believe me its somrthing else...

do the math now.

bruce > chuck in RotD and chuck > MMA x 10 it is not just conventional wisodom that bruce = invincible its a mathematical fact.

His first punch or kick would break your nose, ribs, knees, forehead, arms, legs, etc, etc.
And Bruce would tell you where and when beforehand and theres nothing you or anyone else could do.

Ask Jean-Claude Van Damme what happens when an actor believes his own hype...

I'm starting to think the real hype is with these MMA backers. I know little about the sport or martial arts, but I do know something about spotting hype that will end badly like in a bull stock market when your taxi driver starts handing out stock tips or in this instance when people so easily cut down a legend like Bruce Lee in the name of MMA.

It looks like only true believers in the MMA cause are allowed to pontificate on this topic as you must be delusional for having a contrary thought like maybe Lee can hold his own. I have seen this kind of thing before.

Well, we just saw in the last year how well past "unbeatable" champions did.
One former champ owned by a current one, and he turned around and lost to GSP, Franklin owned in the first round, Arlovski owned, et et.

As far as speed, his weight class would put him in with lil evil and the like, and those guys are fast. And bruce couldn't exactly take a punch off camera either, these guys can.

All this of course assumes that he knew more than one discipline, cause the guys that don't rarely make it through the first round without dropping blood on the mat.

yeah, you should be allowed to spout completely ridiculous bullshit on a topic you know absolutely nothing about without being called on it. What's wrong with us MMA freaks?

my vote is Bruce Lee would take names and chew bubble gum

I say he'd win some and lose some.

Bruce Lee studied many different styles of martial arts and incorporated what he found worked best for him from each style. Essentially, this is the definition of MMA. There's no reason to doubt that if he were training today, he would have incorporated much of the newer styles in to his arsenal.

Bruce Lee also had amazing reflexes and conditioning. There's no reason to think that if he fought today he wouldn't be very good if not completely dominate in his weight class.

All of this being said, there's a reason that weight classes are used. I don't think we'd be seeing him as a heavy weight champion.

More power to ya. I think it's awesome to see such passion and see the sport flourish. I just don't get all the cockiness like Bruce Lee wouldn't last a round... Burning down a recognized legend like that just reaks of something being a fad fueled by hype and drinking the special kool aid.

The special kool-aid is called Gracie Jiu-Jitsu in actual fights against other martial arts. It has more to do with the Manhattan Project than Jim Jones, but if you're too dense to comprehend then enjoy your ninja-ness.

You sound very certain in your beliefs. Maybe, just maybe they are even indisputable truths, but I guess it wouldn't matter either way to a true believer like you seem to be on this matter.

Very true great post

shit... came back to see if the conversation had moved on to "who would win in a fight Batman... or Superman and why" - i am a little amazed that it didn't

Holy crap have you seen the early UFCs? This argument has been answered hundreds of times. Bruce Lee created Jeet Kune Do and you can see various examples of these guys getting their asses handed to them on You Tube (https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mjux_y5Xp64 is one).

A puncher always has a punchers chance but with no practical take down defense he's in trouble. Your comment applies more to guys like Chuck Lidell who are great strikers and have great ground defense too.

BTW - this is coming from a guy who has trained stand up for almost 14 years now and done grappling for just one and a half. I wish what you said was true because I'm a way better striker but it just isn't.

There's a great point. If he was alive today he'd be learning an incorporating many more things into his own art too. Comparing any traditional art to what's evolved in real competition the last 15 yrs just isn't realistic.

OMG this is soo fucking weird, me n some of the boys were having a bit of a fight night tonight an we came up with this EXACT discussion!!!

We figure no matter how many times the big fags grabbed him and tried to wrestle him, he'd just super poke their pressure points and make em shit themselves live on TV

Or he'd just awesome-kick them in the balls

A little tribute to Bruce Lee...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=iWgGp2GuaJM :)

My dad said bruce lee was real mellow in high school.. Was a trip as a kid to see him in my dad's high school yearbook.

he said they were both in the Amateur radio club together..

I thought he grew up in Hong Kong. I know he was acting in Asian films when he was still a very small boy.

I don't know where he was as a kid but he did goto Garfield High School in Seattle...

Btw, Jimmy Hendrix also went to Garfield :)

Dear Fellow Combat Enthusiasts:

Glen Danzig, of the eponymously named band, and teacher of Jeet Kune Do, recently had an opportunity to show us all how effective the fighting system is in a real life brawl (well, I suppose you could call it that). Danizg is the smaller gentleman on the right in the video.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=DSiAjnPIvPM :1orglaugh

Has a Jeet Kune Do fighter ever been in the Ufc or Pride ?

I would totally like to see a video.
Bruce Lee meant JKD to be more of a philosophy, mentality, and way of life; not necessarily a martial style. So it's possible a fighter has been thru the ring who practices Jeet Kune Do, but knows nothing of the modern-day martial art.

Jeet Kune Do Demonstration:1orglaugh

https://youtube.com/watch?v=_0hikyrTI5M

I think if any of these Jeet Kune Do experts got into the Octagon they would be over fast with them landing in the hospital :1orglaugh

Dont believe kids that Bruce lee was anything great as a matter of fact didnt hong kong send someone over to fight him for bringing martial arts secrets to the western world?

I think the did and after the fight he was almost perminatley crippled :1orglaugh :1orglaugh http://www.historylink.org/db_images/ACF190D.JPG
THIS IS WERE HE IS LETS LEAVE HIM THERE PLEASE............

AMEN....................

Why try so hard to discredit and cut down a person Time Magazine named one of the 100 Most Important People of The 20th Century and is a hero to many millions of people around the world.

It's like there are some of you who are very sensitive about anybody questioning the super duper ultra top notch superiority of MMA that even someone who is considered the Godfather of this sport needs to be dismissed and hung to dry in the name of the good book of today's MMA. maybe it's because it is still a relatively new sport gaining its legs and has had some bad press or something else, but clearly something is wierd about how some of you are very eager to cut down Bruce Lee.

i love it when ppl watch the bruce lee story and think they know everything about his life, first off all The Bruce Lee Story was a semi fictionalised account of his life, so the fight where he gets crippled never actually happened.
this is how it actually went down.

1965 (Age 24): Oakland - Several months after he begins teaching, he is challenged by, Wong Jack Man, a leading Kung-Fu practitioner in the Chinatown Community. They agree: If Bruce looses, he will, either close his school, or stop teaching Caucasians; and if Jack looses, he will stop teaching. Jack Man Wong does not belie Bruce would actually fight, and tries to delay the match. Bruce becomes angered and insists that they not wait. Wong then tries to put limitations on techniques. Bruce refuses "rules"and the two go no holds barred. Bruce begins to pound his opponent in only a couple of seconds. As Bruce is winning, Wong attemps to flee, but is caught by Bruce. Bruce begins to beat him on the ground. Students of the other teacher attempted to step in and help their teacher, James Lee, Bruce's good friend prevent this. Later he is bothered on why the fight took so long and begins to re-evaluate his style. He is determined that he is not in his top physical condiiton. Thus, the early concepts of Jeet Kune Do (JKD), "The art of the intercepting fist" is created. JKD is an art including techniques of all types of fighting. (i.e. American Boxing, Thai Kick Boxing, Japanese Karate, etc.) His style is no style.

1970 (Age 30): Los Angeles - Bruce injures his sacral nerve and expreiences severe muscle spasms in his back while training. Doctors told him that he would never kick again. During the months of recovery he starts to document his training methods and his philosophy of Jeet Kune Do. Later after his death, The Tao of Jeet Kune Do is published by his wife in memory of Bruce Lee.

Duh, why show up now to shed some light; haven't you heard the jury has already ruled:

i REALLY DO LIKE YOUR AUTHENTIC EXPLANATION:
However your missing the total point that
#1 He pissed off the wrong people for releasing sacred cultural infomation to the rest of the word and that is why he suffered from the Dim Mak in which he was given in the actual fight.
#2 He was at the time of the prime of his life a simple Kung fu practitioner (nothing special at all)Everyone in China knows Kung fu of some form (maybe not so much now as then but none the less he was common.
#3 He developed a half assed style of Jeet Kune Do Which had at the time very little students Some of which are today just as good if not better than Bruce Lee I.E. Dan Inasato.
Reason the style is half assed is that it was only completely understood by him after years and years of training in Legitimate Traditional Kung Fu.
So anyone wanting to learn Jeet Kune Do would then have to completely have mastered that art first to understand where he was comming from.
#4 Since his death many of his Followers have tried to carry this Jeet Kune Do torch by developing yet even more halfassed stlyes calling themselves supposed Martial Art Masters Many of todays Jeet Kune Do Schools are Totally bogus shit and have these such Leaders.
# 5 I would like to see a legitimate Jeet Kune Do student get into a ring with a common Thai Boxer or a Seven year old Brasilian JuJitsu Student and Laugh my balls off as they get Pumbbled.:1orglaugh
#6 Bruce Lee was (AN ACTOR).

Chist take a look at the Danzig movie above and it should prove something of an actual Jeet Kune Do event in real life.:1orglaugh
And he is a fucking teacher of Jeet KUne Do.!

If any of you wanty to see what it would be like if Bruce Lee got into the Octagon Why dont you just revisit any of the many common Kung Fu combatants that have been on the show since day 1 and see how well they do ...:1orglaugh
You will then have your answer.:2 cents:

He'd get his ass handed to him.

Sorry there I hoe you dont include me in anyone trying to (Cut Down Bruce)
I just call a spade a spade,He was great in his own right as (AN ACTOR)

I killed Bruce Lee with the 5 points palm exploding heart technique.

i was talking to a friend yesterday and he just sent me this to post on his behalf
"JKD is not very well suited to "survive" in UFC. it is mainly for self defense- for real no holds barred fights. UFC is not really no holds barred coz there are still rules- no eye gouching and biting. well, JKD actually teaches eye jabs and i even heared that bruce lee once bit an opponent in a fight.

in a street fight, imagine a grappler attempting to attack, a JKD practitioner would just poke his eye and the fight's over but on that note a JKD practitioners are generally known for their speed so altho i personally think bruce lee wqould not necessary win the UFC i would be suprised if he didnt advance very very far.
and regardless it doesnt change the fact that bruce lee was a great martial artist but he was also a pioneer.

also to everyone who says he was just an actor and not a real fighter i have some information for you

Defeated British boxer Gary Elms by knockout in the 3rd round in the 1958 Hong Kong amateur boxing championships by using Wing Chun traps and high/low level straight punches. Before he met Elms in the finals, he knocked out three boxers in the first round. Hawkings Cheung, his fellow Wing Chun street fighter, witnessed the event.

Bruce Lee knocked out Wong Jack-Man in Oakland, California in a 1965 no-holds barred challenge match. It was Lee's last official fight. It lasted three minutes.

Lee knocked-out Chung, a Choy Li Fut fighter, in Hong Kong in a 1958 Full-Contact match. The match was refereed by Wong Shun-Leung.

Lee knocked-out Uechi in 10 seconds in a 1962 Full-Contact match in Seattle. It was refereed by Jesse Glover.

According to HK stuntman Phillip Ko Fei, Bruce was challenged by a tiger/crane kung fu stylist who was an extra who claimed Lee was a phony on the set of Enter the Dragon. Lee, who was furious of the claim, accepted the challenge to prove that his martial arts were indeed the real deal. The fight only lasted 30 seconds with Bruce pummeling the the kung fu man with a series of straight punches to the face, low line kicks to his shins/knees/thighs and finally ended with the guy being smashed to the wall with his hair pulled and his arms trapped by Bruce. After Lee forced the kung fu stylist to submit, he showed some class by telling him to go back to work instead of firing him. This fight was witnessed by Fred Weintraub & Bob Wall.

but of all the bruce lee facts i know this one is by far my fav

In the popular Nintendo game/anime series, Pokémon, the fighting type monster Hitmonlee is based on Lee

He was very much more than just an actor. Do your research, learn some facts and then call a spade a spade.

I agree with your post here Bruce was also a great fighter indeed but I donot think he was the best martial artist that ever lived.
Nor do I think he was anything special (He was common in his practices).
I would say yes he was a pioneer and did bring his fighting style as well as many other styles in which he studied over to the western world.
This is what got him killed.
Also what got jis son Brando killed Those in which have a grudge against him. Strage they both died within the same day format and such but Im sure you know about that.:upsidedow
I give him credit for being all that I have mentioned.
Cool fact about the game:thumbsup
What I do not believe in is his legacy I think that if you want to learn a great form of martial art you should stick to an old form not be taught by some hack who thinks they are bruce just because they have an Enter the Dragon poster on the wall in the Dojo.:2 cents: