Jace

the free sponsor content goldrush could be over (thank god), and affiliates could possibly have to actually spend money to acquire content on their own again

jesus, those days were nice

but those are long gone, I know, but isn't it nice to reminisce?

tony286

actually my wet dream is they knock on some bit torrents door.

Jace

that would be SWEET

p2p and bittorrent would be ideal targets to make examples out of

mattz

my pants are wet...

tony286

damn right ,the shame is they wont be touched

c-lo

Ignore my post if you don't want the temporary happiness bubble to burst but...

Don't forget that it's really not gonna make things that much better because it only affects U.S. webmasters... 90% of what's out there will stay out there...

Sorry to remind you,
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RawAlex

Nope, sorry. It just means that the free sponsor content goldrush for AMERICAN webmasters is over. The rest of us will just work around it.

Jace

well, what most of you forget is that if this is a huge AMERICAN change, than all AMERICAN sponsors will most likely pull the plug on free content

or at least make it all softcore

i can't believe more people don't WANT this to happen, the less you give the more people will buy, that is FACT...flood the market and sales get harder and harder to make, like RIGHT NOW

RawAlex

Jace, I don't think so. I think ALL sponsors (regardless of location) will likely bar american webmasters from their free content areas, or only allow them to download softcore stuff (including softcore banners, good luck!). The sponsors have no reason to pull the plug on any affiliate located outside of the US, as 2257 and 4472 DO NOT APPLY TO FOREIGN COMPANIES OR INDIVIDUALS.

Like it or not, the US is the internet's tail, and they cannot wag the porn dog.

96ukssob

that would be great, id love to see some of those go down

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jayeff

It's only sheer bloody laziness which would make that happen (although I agree it is a strong possibility in many cases). The green light has been given on redacting documents, so the privacy issue is now a non-issue and the sponsors have to keep these records for themselves. So if they are running their own businesses properly, how hard can it be to link to - presumably computerized - records and provide the necessary documentation.

My feeling is that American affiliates will be hard hit because with no requirement to keep 2257 records and a big enough pool of non-US affiliates, there is no incentive for overseas sponsors to provide these documents. Plus they will likely figure that lots of webmasters will assume there will never be a knock on their door.

The really dangerous thing which many seem to be ignoring (judging my the number of questions about what the law means and what software to use), is that the law has already been in force for almost 2 years and if you get inspected, you could be asked to show a copy of your TGP (or whatever) from 18 months ago, along with the relevant records.

I suspect others will be tripped up over issues such as perhaps not even realizing that a softcore set is an excerpt from a shoot which included hardcore material, therefore thinking they do not need to keep records for it. The law is both broad and confusing: a lot is going to depend on how the inspectors (and later the courts) actually enforce it. Meanwhile it is fine and dandy for people playing barrack-room lawyers, but if they do find themselves in the firing line, it will cost them a lot of money to defend those opinions.

Jace

Well, I guess we will see....

i for one am FOR the new 2257 from what I understand of it all....and as long as most US companies close up the handouts shop I am cool with that

thinning the heard is a GOOD thing

hell, I would be happy to go back to the day when I had to go to a tour and hit SAVE PAGE AS.... then copy the tour to my computer and add more text and throw that into the engines....fucking 2 months later and 40 sales down the road I was happy...rinse/repeat

now if I do the same thing I would have to do it 40 times a day and HOPE to make 4-5 sales a month just from all that work

he-fox

there are plenty of sponsors and webmasters located outside US.

Jace

I am under the impression that a physical copy has to be on hand with the 2257 office of record

so, if your tgp says 2257 info on the bottom and links to your office, you have to have 2257 info for all the girls on your tgp

eh, regardless, I don't care...i will let everyone else worry about it and see where we stand when the dust settles

jayeff

Correct. But that physical copy can be transmitted online and reproduced by the affiliate for his/her own record-keeping requirements.

Rochard

Just in case anyone hasn't noticed, the feds aren't targeting affiliates - only the programs themselves.

It's the same story with this guy from the local railroad who I've become friends with. His job for the past thirty years is to inspect every railroad crossing in a certain area and file paperwork which is required by law. This is most reasonable. But telling the guy on the train he must have all of the records for the crossings he passes through..... Not gonna happen.

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RawAlex

Rochard, if the law says "list all the crossing you go over", they would comply. They don't comply because there is no rule about it.

In a sense, the adult industry should be happy. 2257 is proof (without a shadow of a doubt) that there is legal sexually explicit material, because the government has written rules for it's handling.

DWB

I want this to happen. But I don't think it's going to solve a lot of free content problems unless all the US companies just pull free content.

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