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  • sortie
    Confirmed User
    • Mar 2007
    • 7771
    #1

    SPAM ME : Sponsors with 2257 for all hosted galleries

    I want to use sponsors with hosted galleries that will either send me a CD or have a download for all the 2257 info for the galleries.

    I mean the actual records. I'm tired of the 2257 BS and this is the only way to really solve it.

    I think it is legitimate for me to simply link to the sponsor 2257 for all the galleries but that doesn't seem to cut it for the folks pushing the law.


    Spam me if you have it.

    Thanks.
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    • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
      North Coast Pimp
      • Dec 2005
      • 9395
      #2
      There are a couple that will provide them for you....

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        • sortie
          Confirmed User
          • Mar 2007
          • 7771
          #3
          Originally posted by Jon Clark
          There are a couple that will provide them for you....
          Links please.

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            • Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE
              North Coast Pimp
              • Dec 2005
              • 9395
              #4
              Originally posted by sortie
              Links please.


              If I had links I woulda gave them too you...

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                • BOSS1
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                  • Sep 2005
                  • 4331
                  #5
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                    • sortie
                      Confirmed User
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 7771
                      #6
                      Originally posted by BOSS1
                      are u suuuuuuure my man?
                      Sure about what?

                      If I have the documents then I'm in compliance and can forget about it.

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                        • GatorB
                          The Demon & 12clicks
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 18208
                          #7
                          Originally posted by sortie
                          I want to use sponsors with hosted galleries that will either send me a CD or have a download for all the 2257 info for the galleries.

                          I mean the actual records. I'm tired of the 2257 BS and this is the only way to really solve it.

                          I think it is legitimate for me to simply link to the sponsor 2257 for all the galleries but that doesn't seem to cut it for the folks pushing the law.


                          Spam me if you have it.

                          Thanks.

                          If the sponsor is hosting the galleries you don't need the 2257 info

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                            • RawAlex
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 9465
                              #8
                              Originally posted by GatorB
                              If the sponsor is hosting the galleries you don't need the 2257 info
                              You do if you are running a thumb TGP.

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                                • sortie
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2007
                                  • 7771
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by GatorB
                                  If the sponsor is hosting the galleries you don't need the 2257 info
                                  Thumbnailed TGP????

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                                    • sortie
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Mar 2007
                                      • 7771
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by RawAlex
                                      You do if you are running a thumb TGP.
                                      You = faster!

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                                        • GatorB
                                          The Demon & 12clicks
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 18208
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by RawAlex
                                          You do if you are running a thumb TGP.
                                          Well good luck with that. Part of the reason the sponsors would create FHGs is that they won't have to bother handing out 2257 info. So expect a big NO to your request for it.

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                                            • sortie
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Mar 2007
                                              • 7771
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by GatorB
                                              Well good luck with that. Part of the reason the sponsors would create FHGs is that they won't have to bother handing out 2257 info. So expect a big NO to your request for it.
                                              That's not the reason to make FHGs.

                                              Besides, the way this law is you need 2257 to post a banner on your webpage.

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                                                • vod
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Jan 2006
                                                  • 3510
                                                  #13
                                                  there is a misconception

                                                  this image is on gfy website put is pull from and server on XoDGroup.com
                                                  so gfy would not need 2257 unless the image was being served from gfy...



                                                  if you are pulling the image or video then you would link to the 2257 on the website serving the image or video. like the image above is pulling from xodgroup.com who is serving the image ;

                                                  hope this help's


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                                                    • sortie
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Mar 2007
                                                      • 7771
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by vod
                                                      there is a misconception

                                                      this image is on gfy website put is pull from and server on XoDGroup.com
                                                      so gfy would not need 2257 unless the image was being served from gfy...



                                                      if you are pulling the image or video then you would link to the 2257 on the website serving the image or video. like the image above is pulling from xodgroup.com who is serving the image ;

                                                      hope this help's

                                                      All ready thought about that. BUTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!

                                                      No where in the law does it say I can do this without being classified as a secondary producer. So thanks, but until you win a case on this basis your opinion is only one to use with a risk.

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                                                        • BoyAlley
                                                          So Fucking Gay
                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                          • 19714
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by vod
                                                          there is a misconception

                                                          this image is on gfy website put is pull from and server on XoDGroup.com
                                                          so gfy would not need 2257 unless the image was being served from gfy...


                                                          if you are pulling the image or video then you would link to the 2257 on the website serving the image or video. like the image above is pulling from xodgroup.com who is serving the image ;

                                                          hope this help's

                                                          Uhm...................................

                                                          You are so very, very wrong about what the law is.

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                                                            • mattz
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                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                              • 7697
                                                              #16
                                                              wow people are going crazy

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                                                                • spacedog
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                                                                  • Nov 2001
                                                                  • 14149
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by vod
                                                                  there is a misconception

                                                                  this image is on gfy website put is pull from and server on XoDGroup.com
                                                                  so gfy would not need 2257 unless the image was being served from gfy...



                                                                  if you are pulling the image or video then you would link to the 2257 on the website serving the image or video. like the image above is pulling from xodgroup.com who is serving the image ;

                                                                  hope this help's


                                                                  Read the law.. "Anyone who DISPLAYS......."

                                                                  As far as GFY needing docs for something you displayed on their domain.. not sure how that works....

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                                                                    • JMM
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                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                      • 1755
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Then can someone please explain this:

                                                                      http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...=1&sa=N&tab=wi

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                                                                        • sortie
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Mar 2007
                                                                          • 7771
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by JMM
                                                                          Then can someone please explain this:

                                                                          http://images.google.com/images?hl=e...=1&sa=N&tab=wi
                                                                          Yes, the law has an exception for search engine portals.

                                                                          Google has money and power and most of us don't.

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                                                                            • RogerV
                                                                              Banned!
                                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                                              • 12591
                                                                              #20
                                                                              We have all the records and will only turn them over to our affiliates if necessary.
                                                                              Just like some webmaster stole money from JFK I'm sure some idiot would stalk the girls.

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                                                                                • Steve_AmateurVideoCash
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Nov 2006
                                                                                  • 218
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  We have all of our 2257 info, we can provide whatever is needed, let's just hope that it does not get to that point.

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                                                                                    • RawAlex
                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                                      • 9465
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by vod
                                                                                      there is a misconception

                                                                                      this image is on gfy website put is pull from and server on XoDGroup.com
                                                                                      so gfy would not need 2257 unless the image was being served from gfy...
                                                                                      If that is your entire defense, I hope like heck you have a good lawyer.

                                                                                      The "computer source" of the image may have nothing to do with it. READ THE RULES CAREFULLY - it says where the image is published. Putting an image into a webpage (even served from another server) is still an act of publication. You specifically edited your page to include the image.

                                                                                      Therefore, guess what... you are a secondary producer and you need to have the documents (if you are in the US).

                                                                                      Now, if you posted a link to that image (but not the image) you would be in the clear.

                                                                                      If it is your web page with an image on it, they will knock at YOUR door and ask you for documents. I hope your "it isn't actually on my server" defence goes over all.

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                                                                                        • JD
                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                          • Sep 2003
                                                                                          • 22651
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          i believe Naughty America gives out docs

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                                                                                            • NinjaSteve
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                              • 11089
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Radical Cash!

                                                                                              We are fully compliant with all of our TGP galleries. We have the 2257 info, I'll have to find out what we'll be doing about this and the CD/Download issue you mentioned.
                                                                                              ...

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                                                                                                • DWB
                                                                                                  Registered User
                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                  • 31779
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  I have to frown upon any company that would give out docs on their models. That is the ultimate form of greed.

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                                                                                                    • Kre8t0r
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                                                                                                      • Jan 2003
                                                                                                      • 1304
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by DirtyWhiteBoy
                                                                                                      I have to frown upon any company that would give out docs on their models. That is the ultimate form of greed.
                                                                                                      I guess you aren't keeping up on things then... Making a comment like that at this time with no basis for it just makes things harder for (ONLY) U.S. affiliates to get what they need to do business.

                                                                                                      From AVN Article:
                                                                                                      "Primary producers may obliterate from identification documents the performers' addresses, social security numbers and all but the year from their dates of birth."

                                                                                                      Please tell me why you would frown on giving out proper 2257 info again....

                                                                                                      I think the CD/downloadable idea is one of the easiest ways to keep things running smooth. Why would you be worried about "stalking" etc. if you can black out/obliterate any information that could cause this to happen??

                                                                                                      This is the closed minded additude that will be the death of this industry!!

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                                                                                                        • evildick
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by SPeRMiNaToR
                                                                                                          i believe Naughty America gives out docs
                                                                                                          Yes, you have to apply to be a "gold" affiliate. They provide everything you need for gold affiliates.

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                                                                                                            • Wizzo
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                                                                                                              • Nov 2000
                                                                                                              • 15224
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              MayorsMoney provides that...
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                                                                                                                • Kre8t0r
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                                                                                  • 1304
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Wizzo
                                                                                                                  MayorsMoney provides that...
                                                                                                                  Guess it's time to start a "short list" of sponsors..

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                                                                                                                    • CyberHustler
                                                                                                                      Masterbaiter
                                                                                                                      • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                      • 28739
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      what if I just make it so all thumbs submitted to my tgp's have to be remotely hosted?
                                                                                                                      “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                                        • sortie
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                                                                                                                          • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                          • 7771
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Cyber-Hu$tler
                                                                                                                          what if I just make it so all thumbs submitted to my tgp's have to be remotely hosted?
                                                                                                                          Probably the same thing that would happen if all your thumbs were CP and were remotely hosted.

                                                                                                                          Prosecutor :

                                                                                                                          "If you can recognize a CP thumb and remove it then why can't you recognize a sexually explicit thumb and remove it also".

                                                                                                                          </END OF CASE>

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                                                                                                                            • Lance69
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                                                                                                                              • Jan 2005
                                                                                                                              • 2266
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Kre8t0r
                                                                                                                              From AVN Article:
                                                                                                                              "Primary producers may obliterate from identification documents the performers' addresses, social security numbers and all but the year from their dates of birth."

                                                                                                                              Please tell me why you would frown on giving out proper 2257 info again....

                                                                                                                              I think the CD/downloadable idea is one of the easiest ways to keep things running smooth. Why would you be worried about "stalking" etc. if you can black out/obliterate any information that could cause this to happen??

                                                                                                                              This is the closed minded additude that will be the death of this industry!!
                                                                                                                              This aspect of the rules makes me very happy.
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                                                                                                                                • Miguel
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                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 2978
                                                                                                                                  #33
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                                                                                                                                    • ExtremeBank_Adam
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                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                      • 1671
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Kre8t0r
                                                                                                                                      From AVN Article:
                                                                                                                                      "Primary producers may obliterate from identification documents the performers' addresses, social security numbers and all but the year from their dates of birth."
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                                                                                                                                        • CyberHustler
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                                                                                                                                          • Feb 2006
                                                                                                                                          • 28739
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by sortie
                                                                                                                                          Probably the same thing that would happen if all your thumbs were CP and were remotely hosted.

                                                                                                                                          Prosecutor :

                                                                                                                                          "If you can recognize a CP thumb and remove it then why can't you recognize a sexually explicit thumb and remove it also".

                                                                                                                                          </END OF CASE>
                                                                                                                                          cp's illegal, sexually explicit thumbs will require 2257... So if the thumb is hosted by the submitter will I still have to have those 2257 docs?
                                                                                                                                          “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                                                                                                                • will76
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                                                                                                                                                  • 18037
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by vod
                                                                                                                                                  there is a misconception

                                                                                                                                                  this image is on gfy website put is pull from and server on XoDGroup.com
                                                                                                                                                  so gfy would not need 2257 unless the image was being served from gfy...



                                                                                                                                                  if you are pulling the image or video then you would link to the 2257 on the website serving the image or video. like the image above is pulling from xodgroup.com who is serving the image ;

                                                                                                                                                  hope this help's
                                                                                                                                                  not true.

                                                                                                                                                  the reason why GFY doesn't need 2257 is because you posted that image here on their message board. They did not alter the image and they have no control over it. Same way a dating site can have their users post nude images in their profiles or sites like geocities can allow people to use their service to make homepages.

                                                                                                                                                  If you hotlink the image it is on your site even though it is on someone else's server. I am 99% you still going to be responsible for needing the paperwork in that case, at least that is what I have been told by attornies.
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                                                                                                                                                        • StarkReality
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                                                                                                                                                          • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                          • 4444
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by will76
                                                                                                                                                          not true.

                                                                                                                                                          the reason why GFY doesn't need 2257 is because you posted that image here on their message board. They did not alter the image and they have no control over it. Same way a dating site can have their users post nude images in their profiles or sites like geocities can allow people to use their service to make homepages.

                                                                                                                                                          If you hotlink the image it is on your site even though it is on someone else's server. I am 99&#37; you still going to be responsible for needing the paperwork in that case, at least that is what I have been told by attornies.
                                                                                                                                                          That's something I wouldn't bet 5$ on, all the technical details aren't worth much.

                                                                                                                                                          As long as something is displayed when entering a certain URL, no matter who uploaded it, who actually hosts it, it's on the site/domain of the person in the whois. Willingly or not, the owner is publishing this content, it's showing up on his site...same for dating sites, it's not like profiles are owned by members.

                                                                                                                                                          Yes, it's impossible to check all profiles before putting them online, but you know what a judge would say: If you can't collect the necessary documents, get rid of the pictures.
                                                                                                                                                          Last edited by StarkReality; 04-05-2007, 02:33 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                            • Domains_Broker
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                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                • DWB
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                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 31779
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Kre8t0r
                                                                                                                                                                  From AVN Article:
                                                                                                                                                                  "Primary producers may obliterate from identification documents the performers' addresses, social security numbers and all but the year from their dates of birth."

                                                                                                                                                                  Please tell me why you would frown on giving out proper 2257 info again....
                                                                                                                                                                  I know what is going on.

                                                                                                                                                                  However, giving out ANY info, even birthdays or being able to see what state she is from, is bad IMHO. Any bit of info a stalker could get to get one step closer to a model is not a good idea.

                                                                                                                                                                  And what if someone could undo the ID cover up to reveal what is really there? Only a matter of time before someone makes a program to do that, if they haven't made one already. For example, there is a program on the way that will take a thumbnail and restore it to the full size image it came from. I know the guy who made it, and have seen it. It's incredible. So what happens when he can uncover what you covered up?

                                                                                                                                                                  Think outside of the box mate. It's not a good idea.


                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Kre8t0r
                                                                                                                                                                  This is the closed minded additude that will be the death of this industry!!
                                                                                                                                                                  Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not in this for "the industry."
                                                                                                                                                                  Last edited by DWB; 04-09-2007, 11:59 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Fabien
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                      • 4789
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Releasing models ids and private infos is against the law in my country. One could sue the shit out of a sponsor doing so.

                                                                                                                                                                      Back to square one.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • UncutBucksMike
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2007
                                                                                                                                                                          • 405
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          We will be providing redacted ID's along with other required info including Model's legal name, maiden name, and all known aliases (yes, these are all required for 2257 compliance) for any affiliate who is "displaying" our images on their domain. We will also be providing non-explicit content for those who wish to swap out anything explicit and avoid 2257. This will all be ready by May 1, 2007.

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