2257 Panic Poll - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxdesign-net · 04-05-2007, 02:19 PM

So, whats the situation with people living outside the US but hosting on US servers? Should they move?

xxxjay · 04-05-2007, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

So, whats the situation with people living outside the US but hosting on US servers? Should they move?

That is a question you should be asking a lawyer, however I would say if you live outside of the US - you have a lot less to be concerned with.

Missie · 04-05-2007, 07:47 PM

Are there any hosts outside of the US that allow adult content? I don't live in the US but all my sites are hosted with webhosts somewhere on American soil.

Missie

Rambozo · 04-05-2007, 08:49 PM

Any thoughts as to if this will affect text linking to hosted galleries?

xxxjay · 04-05-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Missie

Are there any hosts outside of the US that allow adult content? I don't live in the US but all my sites are hosted with webhosts somewhere on American soil.

Missie

I would say if you live outside of the US - you have a lot less to be concerned with.

xxxjay · 04-05-2007, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Rambozo

Any thoughts as to if this will affect text linking to hosted galleries?

The people hosting those galleries had better have their shit together...lol. Meanwhile foriegn webmasters will be linking with nice juicy fat thumbs. It's not fair.

bDok · 04-05-2007, 10:37 PM

Curious as to how they determine where to go to get the records? I mean if I have a 2257 link at the bottom of the page. And for this example lets say it's all images are from one company. The link says hey the custodian of records for these image or images can be found at this address. Go there and you will have the records for this. I believe it's bangbros that does this... For movie clips at the start of each one is a full on identification of the clip as well as where the custodian of records is. So you can come in and say this is in reference to clip id d8e8w can we take a look at your records for this. What am I missing here?

I mean fuck girls gone wild got nailed for not having proper records and he isn't getting his ass drilled right now. He paid a fine and did some community service.

xxxjay · 04-05-2007, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bDok

I mean fuck girls gone wild got nailed for not having proper records and he isn't getting his ass drilled right now. He paid a fine and did some community service.

Joe Francis has the best lawyers in the world and plenty of money to pay them. Do you have that luxury?

bDok · 04-05-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxjay

Joe Francis has the best lawyers in the world and plenty of money to pay them. Do you have that luxury?

I don't have that luxury. Just was pointing out though.

Still going to wonder how they know what door to knock on. What's wrong with having your custodian of records located some place else besides where you do majority of your work? Have people at the other place where your records are. If they come...they come...show the the records they do their thing and continue on.

StickyGreen · 04-05-2007, 11:23 PM

I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what you link to, as long as there is no sexually-explicit content on your server. You could have all your thumbs be non-explicit...

Nardimus · 04-06-2007, 12:51 AM

nothing but hosted galleries will be left standing.

say good by to johnny gallery poster.

Probono · 04-06-2007, 01:50 AM

Will the supporters of GW Bush please stand up and take your medicine. As soon as the judge dissolves the agreement they will add secondary producers to their list and keep on inspecting.

Hope that the Congress forces removal of Gonzales and maybe the replacment will realize that 2257 enforcement is a waste of resources, but I doubt it. Congress, when it was Republican, requested enforcement of 2257.

It will take a different administration to sa what Jenet Reno said, it may be a law but there are more important issues like terror and crime. To this group of religious crackpots this is a jihad, opps crusade.

milambur · 04-06-2007, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

So, whats the situation with people living outside the US but hosting on US servers? Should they move?

If the fbi contacts you, just say that you got all the documentation and they are free to come and inspect it..... If they against all odds should jump on a plane and visit you, say that you must have misplaced them and then move your sites.

Bloomer · 04-06-2007, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by milambur

If the fbi contacts you, just say that you got all the documentation and they are free to come and inspect it..... If they against all odds should jump on a plane and visit you, say that you must have misplaced them and then move your sites.

this will change

milambur · 04-06-2007, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bloomer

this will change

no, not likely at all

Probono · 04-06-2007, 02:24 AM

If you are a US citizen anyplace in the world you need to comply.
If your sites are hosted in the US you need to comply.
If you are banking in the US you need to compy.
If you are processing credit cards in the US you need to comply
Give them time to learn from China and they will figure out how to add if oyu sell into the US market you need to comply

PSSuperstars · 04-06-2007, 02:26 AM

It ASTOUNDS ME the number of big webmasters here who have no idea that 4472 trumped Sundance....

And with non hardcore thumbnails.. you've still got the implied nudity that's in 4472..

xxxjay · 04-06-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

Will the supporters of GW Bush please stand up and take your medicine. As soon as the judge dissolves the agreement they will add secondary producers to their list and keep on inspecting.

Hope that the Congress forces removal of Gonzales and maybe the replacment will realize that 2257 enforcement is a waste of resources, but I doubt it. Congress, when it was Republican, requested enforcement of 2257.

It will take a different administration to sa what Jenet Reno said, it may be a law but there are more important issues like terror and crime. To this group of religious crackpots this is a jihad, opps crusade.

Amen. Well said.

Probono · 04-06-2007, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PSSuperstars

It ASTOUNDS ME the number of big webmasters here who have no idea that 4472 trumped Sundance....

And with non hardcore thumbnails.. you've still got the implied nudity that's in 4472..

Yes it did BUT the deal between DOJ and the FSC held off enforcement. That deal is likely to disappear in May. So get ready to bend over.

Gaybucks · 04-06-2007, 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bDok

Curious as to how they determine where to go to get the records? I mean if I have a 2257 link at the bottom of the page. And for this example lets say it's all images are from one company. The link says hey the custodian of records for these image or images can be found at this address.

You are speaking of secondary producer records, where you say "I am so-and-so, I am not the primary producer of any content on my site, but so-and-so (and so-and -so-else, and thus-and so, and so on...) provided the content, and here are their addresses"

Under 4472, that is no longer permitted. YOU have to have ALL of the records for ANYTHING that qualifies under 2257 and 4472 that is displayed on your URLs. This applies even if the images are being pulled from a different server; if the address bar at the top belongs to you, you need the docs on file. No exceptions.

Also, note that under 4472, the scope of what requires documentation is substantially expanded from 2257. Some forms of nonexplicit nudity are now regulated, as are simulated sex acts (except for those produced by Hollywood, thanks to lobbyists) and a bunch of other stuff.

It's likely that the expanded definitions may run afoul of the first amendment, but the secondary producer requirements are probably here to stay.

And... there has *never* been an injunction against enforcement of 4472, so since September '06, the FSC injunction was essentially rendered moot, because 4472 essentially eliminated the arguments that FSC made that got them the injunction in the first place.

NinjaSteve · 04-06-2007, 08:56 AM

Fuck yeah, the U.S. rocks! I'm glad my tax money has helped pay for things like this.

xxxdesign-net · 04-06-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Probono

If your sites are hosted in the US you need to comply.

A lawyer told you that?

bDok · 04-06-2007, 09:23 PM

Thought I would toss this in. pulled this from the fsc site faq.

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12. If I am an adult webmaster, a “secondary” producer and an FSC member, and I work from home, can federal agents enter my home to inspect records without a search warrant?

Yes. If you operate your business exclusively out of your home, and that is where you have labeled that your records are maintained, your home can be inspected. Since the law requires only that the records be maintained at a place of business, not the primary place of business, it is possible to rent a small space and conduct some business from that location, as well as keep your records there.

I feel much better reading that. As records are at a different location than where I work 99.9% of the time.

Cheers,
B

spacedog · 04-06-2007, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by bDok

Thought I would toss this in. pulled this from the fsc site faq.

I feel much better reading that. As records are at a different location than where I work 99.9% of the time.

Cheers,
B

BUT.. the law says you have to maintain "NORMAL" business hours at least 20 hours per week.

So 20 hours per week you need to be at that other place

Domains_Broker · 04-09-2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaybucks

This applies even if the images are being pulled from a different server; if the address bar at the top belongs to you, you need the docs on file. No exceptions.

So Google needs docs?

I can't see how they are going to be able to regulate this. I can't hotlink an explicit image from a sponsor but a search engine can? What makes a TGP any different than a search engine? Both are just indexing data and linking to something that they do not produce.

bDok · 04-09-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spacedog

BUT.. the law says you have to maintain "NORMAL" business hours at least 20 hours per week.

So 20 hours per week you need to be at that other place

or people that work for my company. the custodian of the records.

I don't need to be there. Just someone to let the peeps in if they come knocking.

View Poll Results: 2257 Panic Poll - what do you think will happen?
Everybody is fucked.	34	24.64%
Only the major sponsors that claimed secondary will get fucked with	17	12.32%
It will just get held up in court for a few more years again	51	36.96%
The law will stay on the books but nobody will get inspected	8	5.80%
Nothing will even happen	28	20.29%
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xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	So, whats the situation with people living outside the US but hosting on US servers? Should they move?

04-05-2007, 08:49 PM	#54
Rambozo Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 117	Any thoughts as to if this will affect text linking to hosted galleries?

04-06-2007, 12:51 AM	#61
Nardimus Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Seattle Posts: 418	nothing but hosted galleries will be left standing. say good by to johnny gallery poster.

04-06-2007, 01:50 AM	#62
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	Will the supporters of GW Bush please stand up and take your medicine. As soon as the judge dissolves the agreement they will add secondary producers to their list and keep on inspecting. Hope that the Congress forces removal of Gonzales and maybe the replacment will realize that 2257 enforcement is a waste of resources, but I doubt it. Congress, when it was Republican, requested enforcement of 2257. It will take a different administration to sa what Jenet Reno said, it may be a law but there are more important issues like terror and crime. To this group of religious crackpots this is a jihad, opps crusade.

04-06-2007, 02:24 AM	#66
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	If you are a US citizen anyplace in the world you need to comply. If your sites are hosted in the US you need to comply. If you are banking in the US you need to compy. If you are processing credit cards in the US you need to comply Give them time to learn from China and they will figure out how to add if oyu sell into the US market you need to comply

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