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AaronM · 04-03-2007, 11:19 AM

Hypothetically speaking.......

Let's pretend that you are a photographer and you have been informed that another photographer has made attempts to recruit and shoot under age models....even going so far as to offer to make fake ID's for the model.

Now let's pretend that this photographer is in the same town you are in and shoots for some of the same clients that you shoot for...Making him a direct competitor.

Would you mind your own business or would you mention this to the common clients? On one hand you would be doing the right thing out of concern for your clients but on the other hand....Would you want people to think you were making shit up to get rid of the competition?

One more "hypothetical" thing.....

What if this particular photographer also has a history of sexually assaulting models and has changed his name and company names multiple times over the years to hide who he really is?

Gee...I'm sure glad I don't have to make any kind of decisions like this...But what if?

What would you do?

Sly · 04-03-2007, 11:22 AM

I would leak it to somebody else who likes the attention of drama.

Problem gets brought to light. You stay out of it.

Thats what politicians do. It works.

Phoenix · 04-03-2007, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I would leak it to somebody else who likes the attention of drama.

Problem gets brought to light. You stay out of it.

Thats what politicians do. It works.

AaronM for pres?

Deej · 04-03-2007, 11:24 AM

I hypothetically had a conversationa bout this recently...

that is exaclty what gives this industry a bad name and SHOULD be stopped...

Bottom line...and you should be more affeared in your own town , it hurts your business at a more intimate level. when theres a big finger over head, you fit there too...

said fuckhead is hiding his actions by changing identities multiple times..

i would hypothetically shut that fucker down...

_Richard_ · 04-03-2007, 11:28 AM

considering that's illegal, i don't think (or hope for that matter), that you'd have to think that hard

R

stickyfingerz · 04-03-2007, 11:29 AM

Id create a hotmail address, and email it to will76 looks like he needs something to do now...

MikeVega · 04-03-2007, 11:29 AM

Hypothetically .. if you know your information is accurate then i would think it would be your responsibility to let your clients know what he's up to. This Photographer is putting everyone at risk with behavior like that.

porno jew · 04-03-2007, 11:29 AM

http://www.littlelupe.com/tour.html

crazies · 04-03-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVega

Hypothetically .. if you know your information is accurate then i would think it would be your responsibility to let your clients know what he's up to. This Photographer is putting everyone at risk with behavior like that.

I agree with Mike on this and I would simply let it be known that this has been brought to your attention from multiple models and not just 1 or 2. This guy is obviously scum and to sexually abuse (if this is the case) the models is just wrong and something NEEDS to be done.

Hypothetically I wish you luck on this and know that you will do the right thing Aaron.

BTW, Mike it was nice hanging out with you in Phoenix, next time we need to do dinner and have something besides sushi lol

Jman · 04-03-2007, 01:20 PM

Simple... Wack Him... You got the toolz right?

Oui Oui Aaron, hope you make it to Toronto.

jonesy · 04-03-2007, 01:28 PM

out the fucking scumbag.

nikad · 04-03-2007, 01:31 PM

This is not about the clients, this should be reported to the police, period. If you tell his clients, he might lose some business, but he will get away with a c r i m e
nik

CherryLipsRosa · 04-03-2007, 01:34 PM

I would gather proof and confront him and the clients at the same time.

Axeman · 04-03-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVega

Hypothetically .. if you know your information is accurate then i would think it would be your responsibility to let your clients know what he's up to. This Photographer is putting everyone at risk with behavior like that.

Mike is bang on with this one. If it is indeed the case then it has to be done.

AaronM · 04-03-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

http://www.littlelupe.com/tour.html

Not sure why you would post that in this thread but just for clarification.....

I shot that site and considering that I went to Madrid, Spain to do so and I personally verified her ID's....She and TeenRevenue have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

JD · 04-03-2007, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Not sure why you would post that in this thread but just for clarification.....

I shot that site and considering that I went to Madrid, Spain to do so and I personally verified her ID's....She and TeenRevenue have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

dude's a troll. ignore him.

little lupe is a fox! and if you know of someone that's shooting underage models and don't say anything isn't that a crime itself?

AaronM · 04-03-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR

dude's a troll. ignore him.

little lupe is a fox! and if you know of someone that's shooting underage models and don't say anything isn't that a crime itself?

I can't prove it. If people went to my clients and told them something that they had no proof of, I would sue the shit out of them.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-03-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JMan

Simple... Wack Him....

Good answer....

sextoyking · 04-03-2007, 01:53 PM

Aaron,

If he was in my town or for that matter anywhere I would contact the police.

Anything to do with underage crap is the worst...

JD · 04-03-2007, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

I can't prove it. If people went to my clients and told them something that they had no proof of, I would sue the shit out of them.

well shit

time for the "ski mask and black van" treatment then

BoyAlley · 04-03-2007, 01:54 PM

You definitely should report the SOB to the authorities.

porno jew · 04-03-2007, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Not sure why you would post that in this thread but just for clarification.....

I shot that site and considering that I went to Madrid, Spain to do so and I personally verified her ID's....She and TeenRevenue have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

because i clicked your sig and noticed she's going live on the 5th.

Jace · 04-03-2007, 02:01 PM

I would inform the law, then I would call or write all the major news outlets in the area and explain exactly what is happening

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-03-2007, 02:03 PM

In all honesty getting the law involved is the best idea...

AaronM · 04-03-2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by porno jew

because i clicked your sig and noticed she's going live on the 5th.

Although we like the exposure, it was not appropriate for this thread. I've been hit up bay 4 people on ICQ so far who are asking me if it's Lupe after you made that post.

AaronM · 04-03-2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

If he was in my town...........

Hmmmmmmmm

sextoyking · 04-03-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by AaronM

Hmmmmmmmm

Well I figured he was in our area but.... You know what there is no such thing as a snitch, tattle tale, etc when it comes to abuse of minors and that's what it is Aaron when you shoot models under the age of '18' in this country..

Fuck it, if you can prove / show it, call the Pdx police, Multnomah county sherrifs office, OSP, FBI, etc, etc.

It will stop him or her from abusing minors and also looks good for our industry when we report these things.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-03-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

You know what there is no such thing as a snitch, tattle tale, etc when it comes to abuse of minors .

You got that right....

pocketkangaroo · 04-03-2007, 02:27 PM

I think it's safer to go to the authorities, especially if you have no proof. If you defame him with no proof, he could sue you out of the water. It's a fairly serious allegation. I think letting the police know of your suspicions will warrant an investigation and hopefully put the guy behind bars where he belongs.

StuartD · 04-03-2007, 02:33 PM

Well, you know my stance is always to do the right thing. Putting a stop to a child pornographer/assaulter is definitely the right thing to do.

However, someone's who's changed names and company identities that frequently in the past won't hesitate for a moment to do it again.

So that leaves you with three options.
1. Say something and watch him vanish as he restarts fresh somewhere else under a new name.
2. Say nothing since he'll likely just do the second half of #1.
3. Find out what it takes, and do what it takes to make sure that he is put to a permanent stop so that there will be no more resurfacing of any kind.

AaronM · 04-03-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sextoyking

Well I figured he was in our area but.... You know what there is no such thing as a snitch, tattle tale, etc when it comes to abuse of minors and that's what it is Aaron when you shoot models under the age of '18' in this country..

Fuck it, if you can prove / show it, call the Pdx police, Multnomah county sherrifs office, OSP, FBI, etc, etc.

It will stop him or her from abusing minors and also looks good for our industry when we report these things.

If I could prove anything then this would not be a "hypothetical" thread.

Marleys88 · 04-03-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sly

I would leak it to somebody else who likes the attention of drama.

Problem gets brought to light. You stay out of it.

Thats what politicians do. It works.

Excatly.

Jon Clark - BANNED FOR LIFE · 04-03-2007, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

If I could prove anything then this would not be a "hypothetical" thread.

Just report him to the police and let them do the proving... That is what there job is

JD · 04-03-2007, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

If I could prove anything then this would not be a "hypothetical" thread.

just inform the police as a "concerned citizen"

AsianDivaGirlsWebDude · 04-03-2007, 03:04 PM

How many adult photographers could there be in Portland that have the same clients as you?

Hypothetically, it appears that person is probably now outed to your clients...

ADG Webmaster

Azoy? · 04-03-2007, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Hypothetically speaking.......

Let's pretend that you are a photographer and you have been informed that another photographer has made attempts to recruit and shoot under age models....even going so far as to offer to make fake ID's for the model.

Now let's pretend that this photographer is in the same town you are in and shoots for some of the same clients that you shoot for...Making him a direct competitor.

Would you mind your own business or would you mention this to the common clients?

You contact the authorities. Not hard to think about and it has nothing to do with competitor or not. It has to do with taking advantage of underage people which what most people in this industry stand for.
It's people like that guy who give the rest of us a bad name because they only care about money.
People are people and no matter what no one underage should be taken advantage of.

AaronM · 04-03-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AsianDivaGirlsWebDude

How many adult photographers could there be in Portland that have the same clients as you?

Hypothetically, it appears that person is probably now outed to your clients...

ADG Webmaster

You're assuming that my clients read every post I make.

And there are a few of us who shoot for some of the same clients here.

abyss_al · 04-03-2007, 03:49 PM

you need to make sure tis true, then breaking legs would be ok in this case or the feds i guess

buck30 · 04-03-2007, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Hypothetically speaking.......

Let's pretend that you are a photographer and you have been informed that another photographer has made attempts to recruit and shoot under age models....even going so far as to offer to make fake ID's for the model.

Now let's pretend that this photographer is in the same town you are in and shoots for some of the same clients that you shoot for...Making him a direct competitor.

Would you mind your own business or would you mention this to the common clients? On one hand you would be doing the right thing out of concern for your clients but on the other hand....Would you want people to think you were making shit up to get rid of the competition?

One more "hypothetical" thing.....

What if this particular photographer also has a history of sexually assaulting models and has changed his name and company names multiple times over the years to hide who he really is?

Gee...I'm sure glad I don't have to make any kind of decisions like this...But what if?

What would you do?

I would hope you would do the right thing. This photographer is an example of why we have all these restrictions now. There are plenty of models 18 and over, no need to recruit minors. I would inform the common clients. You would be saving them a lot of trouble in the long run. This is not that Mike Smith guy is it?

VicD · 04-03-2007, 04:19 PM

hire a hitman

HeadPimp · 04-03-2007, 04:23 PM

I would have a flunky do the reporting and such. Possibly even a flunky of a flunky. That way there is less likely to be any backwash your way from the press/authorities.

I would do my best to get the guy shut down.

Grapesoda · 04-03-2007, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronM

Hypothetically speaking.......

Gee...I'm sure glad I don't have to make any kind of decisions like this...But what if?

What would you do?

What if this particular photographer also has a history of sexually assaulting models and has changed his name and company names multiple times over the years to hide who he really is?

******how do you have proof of this? any proof you have would be good enough for the cops . . . if he has open warrants . . just drop a dime

Now let's pretend that this photographer is in the same town you are in and shoots for some of the same clients that you shoot for...Making him a direct competitor.

***in my experience the clients do not care about the behaviors of the photographers in any way . . . we all sign agreements that we will not give any 'inappropriate material' to the clients . . any false ID's would bounce right back on the shooter in court.

Let's pretend that you are a photographer and you have been informed that another photographer has made attempts to recruit and shoot under age models....even going so far as to offer to make fake ID's for the model.

**** the underage models should report the guy to the heat and you can just move on to something else.

Would you mind your own business or would you mention this to the common clients? On one hand you would be doing the right thing out of concern for your clients but on the other hand....Would you want people to think you were making shit up to get rid of the competition?

**** I express my concern for my clients by delivering the very best product I can deliver, on time . . I leave other shooters and their relationships to the clients alone . .

D · 04-03-2007, 04:28 PM

Either get proof, or go to the police, expressing your concerns so that they may go about getting proof.

Without proof, you have nothing substantial - in any regard.

Without proof, exposing someone of such a thing based on circumstance is hardly just, moral, or sensible.

sniperwolf · 04-03-2007, 05:04 PM

if you really have the proof that he's doing something illegal, then i think you should not be hesitant to report it to the police and to other concerns...

g$$$ · 04-03-2007, 05:47 PM

turn that bastard in....

save the cheerleader..save the world!!

JenniDahling · 04-03-2007, 06:05 PM

Hypothetically, if said dude is someone that can be recognized and perhaps even photographed? I think there are a lot of hypothetical options and I agree with Mike Vega fully.

btw...Hi Aaron

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AaronM Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,909	A question of morality. Hypothetically speaking....... Let's pretend that you are a photographer and you have been informed that another photographer has made attempts to recruit and shoot under age models....even going so far as to offer to make fake ID's for the model. Now let's pretend that this photographer is in the same town you are in and shoots for some of the same clients that you shoot for...Making him a direct competitor. Would you mind your own business or would you mention this to the common clients? On one hand you would be doing the right thing out of concern for your clients but on the other hand....Would you want people to think you were making shit up to get rid of the competition? One more "hypothetical" thing..... What if this particular photographer also has a history of sexually assaulting models and has changed his name and company names multiple times over the years to hide who he really is? Gee...I'm sure glad I don't have to make any kind of decisions like this...But what if? What would you do?

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_Richard_ Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 30,989	considering that's illegal, i don't think (or hope for that matter), that you'd have to think that hard R

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pocketkangaroo Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 8,452	I think it's safer to go to the authorities, especially if you have no proof. If you defame him with no proof, he could sue you out of the water. It's a fairly serious allegation. I think letting the police know of your suspicions will warrant an investigation and hopefully put the guy behind bars where he belongs.

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StuartD Sofa King Band Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Outside the box Posts: 29,903	Well, you know my stance is always to do the right thing. Putting a stop to a child pornographer/assaulter is definitely the right thing to do. However, someone's who's changed names and company identities that frequently in the past won't hesitate for a moment to do it again. So that leaves you with three options. 1. Say something and watch him vanish as he restarts fresh somewhere else under a new name. 2. Say nothing since he'll likely just do the second half of #1. 3. Find out what it takes, and do what it takes to make sure that he is put to a permanent stop so that there will be no more resurfacing of any kind. __________________ This is me on facebook This is me on twitter Last edited by StuartD; 04-03-2007 at 02:35 PM..

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D Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: The Valley Posts: 7,412	Either get proof, or go to the police, expressing your concerns so that they may go about getting proof. Without proof, you have nothing substantial - in any regard. Without proof, exposing someone of such a thing based on circumstance is hardly just, moral, or sensible. __________________ -D. ICQ: 202-96-31

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