Time to scrap the internet and start over? - GoFuckYourself.com

SteveLightspeed · 04-14-2007, 12:07 PM

NEW YORK - Although it has already taken nearly four decades to get this far in building the Internet, some university researchers with the federal government's blessing want to scrap all that and start over.

The idea may seem unthinkable, even absurd, but many believe a "clean slate" approach is the only way to truly address security, mobility and other challenges that have cropped up since UCLA professor Leonard Kleinrock helped supervise the first exchange of meaningless test data between two machines on Sept. 2, 1969.

The Internet "works well in many situations but was designed for completely different assumptions," said Dipankar Raychaudhuri, a Rutgers University professor overseeing three clean-slate projects. "It's sort of a miracle that it continues to work well today."

Rest of the story:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070414/...the_internet_8

Splum · 04-14-2007, 12:07 PM

Replace the internet, never happen, the genie has been let out of the bottle.

Create new networks that could be comparable? Quite possibly but will take a long time, the "internet" has the marketshare.

Evil E · 04-14-2007, 12:13 PM

If there was a new global network , I'd probably subscribe. The current Internet is becoming shit. I liked it 10 years ago.

Alex · 04-14-2007, 12:45 PM

How would they go by scrapping the internet?

BlackCrayon · 04-14-2007, 12:54 PM

They could never justify ending the huge internet economy. Thats like saying society was largely built on trust and the good will of people, now crime is getting out of control, lets just scrap it and start over.

Bama · 04-14-2007, 12:57 PM

The idea isn't as crazy as it sounds though I sincerely doubt that "this" net will ever be stopped.

What I do believe could (and eventually will) happen is "clusters" of "micro-nets" evolving and that can be easily enough accomplished by subscribing to a specific DNS server and having access to (and only) sites serviced by that particular provider.

04-14-2007, 12:59 PM

wow, crazy idea

vvq · 04-14-2007, 12:59 PM

did you guys read the article? they acknowledge closing the Internet isn't an option, but making it better is. there are tons of problems and drawbacks with the way things currently work, I for one can't wait to see what the future brings.

RawAlex · 04-14-2007, 02:01 PM

The reality is that IP networking is still a very effecient way to move medium amounts of data to various destinations without having to manually wire every point together. There are very few options out there that work so well (such that IP telephony is becoming more and more popular as time goes on).

There are the ongoing issues of security and usability. Working to stop things like anonymous proxies, easily corrupted headers (email, example) and other issues will help to secure the current network.

Yes, a clean slate might resolve many of these issues, but that is a bit like trying to change the tires on your car while driving 80MPH. I wish them luck, they can go join up with the internet2 people and call us when it is ready.

woj · 04-14-2007, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackCrayon

They could never justify ending the huge internet economy. Thats like saying society was largely built on trust and the good will of people, now crime is getting out of control, lets just scrap it and start over.

They are shutting down over the air analog tv stations, and replacing them with digital, don't see any reason why something similar couldn't happen with the internet...

$5 submissions · 04-14-2007, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by woj

They are shutting down over the air analog tv stations, and replacing them with digital, don't see any reason why something similar couldn't happen with the internet...

Good analysis. The way this might be marketed is by playing the SECURITY angle of it. One thing's for sure, even if the "new" internet is more secure and less prone to hacking, since there's so much money on the table, people WILL still be incentivized to find the "easy money" holes/gaps in the system.

BlackCrayon · 04-14-2007, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woj

They are shutting down over the air analog tv stations, and replacing them with digital, don't see any reason why something similar couldn't happen with the internet...

i think its way different, to change the security problems with the net, you have to change how it works and to do that you'd have to change the way basically all programs that connect to the net work, all programing code would have to be changed to allow new possibilities,ect. you can be sure, if this does happen, which im sure it will to some degree some day it will be another step in the direction of making use of the internet for commerce more expensive.

Randyyy · 04-14-2007, 03:36 PM

i don't see this ever been possible

mikeyddddd · 04-14-2007, 03:40 PM

This internet will never go away. But, it will be a different class of service.

The GENI is on FIRE. The new network will be the first class non-stop carrier with no terrorists onboard. The current network will be Greyhound.

There is a market that will pay a premium for a more secure network with better speed and reliability when compared with the costs for hackers, spammers and losses from fraud or lost prudctivity that's part of this internet.

It is not "sort of a miracle that it continues to work well today." Commerce makes it work. Business will drive the need to make something that works better.

Dvae · 04-14-2007, 04:02 PM

In other words we got fucked over by Al Gore?
That figures...

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Splum Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: USA Posts: 6,195	Replace the internet, never happen, the genie has been let out of the bottle. Create new networks that could be comparable? Quite possibly but will take a long time, the "internet" has the marketshare.

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Bama Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 2,727	The idea isn't as crazy as it sounds though I sincerely doubt that "this" net will ever be stopped. What I do believe could (and eventually will) happen is "clusters" of "micro-nets" evolving and that can be easily enough accomplished by subscribing to a specific DNS server and having access to (and only) sites serviced by that particular provider.

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buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	wow, crazy idea

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RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	The reality is that IP networking is still a very effecient way to move medium amounts of data to various destinations without having to manually wire every point together. There are very few options out there that work so well (such that IP telephony is becoming more and more popular as time goes on). There are the ongoing issues of security and usability. Working to stop things like anonymous proxies, easily corrupted headers (email, example) and other issues will help to secure the current network. Yes, a clean slate might resolve many of these issues, but that is a bit like trying to change the tires on your car while driving 80MPH. I wish them luck, they can go join up with the internet2 people and call us when it is ready.

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