WTF is that ..... ? a list of posts .... There is hosting, scripts ....

Quote threads I started....

BTW, the banned thing was a joke ( that is why there was :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh ) at the end ).

I don't hate the US at all, but people like Splum will automatically think I do if I make one negative comment about the way the US works. In the US, it's not only our right but our responsibility to question our leaders.

I don't think the US is going to lose its edge anytime soon, but I have witnessed a worsening of the economic situation under Republican control of the executive branch. Are these two things related? Perhaps, but there are a million other variables to look at. In all reality, the government doesn't have as much control over the economy as people would like to believe, the real economic power lies at the very top of the various industries that represent the US...and at the very top is oil and pharmaceuticals, with a few others vying for top brass (tobacco, media, etc). These select few top dogs have tremendous pull in the government and can virtually rewrite the laws and the very systems themselves, they've been doing it for decades. Ironically, it usually ends up BEING members of the top brass that end up in politics anyways...the Bushes and their oil, Dole and his tobacco, Rumsfield and his pharmaceuticals, etc.

As far as China goes...don't get your hopes up. The country's own self-defeating government will make sure that only those at the very top profit, and the poverty-stricken majority stay poverty-stricken. A world power within the next 20 years? Yeah right...ain't gonna happen...unless the US invades them too and replaces their current legitimate (although crap) government with a puppet government (hey, sorta like in Iraq).

Well put and I didnt attack you at all. :thumbsup

still waiting for actual quotes of USA hating threads....


Unless saying that USA is having problems is hating... then I hate all countries because we all have problems. :2 cents:

Still waiting for you to back up your accusations ... but am not holding my breath...

Oh Im sure we will argue again directfiesta, Ill be watching. For now I digress. :winkwink:

no offense, but you need to update your info about EU

"share a common currency"...:disgust

For those of you that dont read the newspapers that focus on finance - the point thats being missed here is that China is already #1 in capital/cash reserves - way more than Japan or the US - and they hold enough US paper(mostly US bonds) that if they made a move to create their own fund they would drive up interest rates in the US to the point that a good portion of the newer mortages would default and cause astronomical borrowing rates in the US - something they have avoided on purpose as they try to take over a few more US companies(the recent Unocal try comes to mind)
Recently you may have heard of the stock market "little crash" about a month ago - that was triggered by a little sell off in Chinese stocks - so they definitely have an influence over the worlds markets

Stating your reverence for the USA or playing political stupidity games has nothing to do with what really happens in the economic markets - even someone like Saudi Arabia could bankrupt the US tomorrow if they had a reason with as much as they own in the US markets

so, no links .... :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

not only full of shit, but full of air.... go hate.

blah blah blah de blah blah

go usa!

You cannot say that ... unless you HATE AMERICA.....

You can lie tough ... that is patriotic :)

i really don't get why people think china is going to be the next big superpower. it will only happen if the US lets them basically. if the US cut all trade off with them, they would shrink pretty damn fast. lets face it, there just isn't the population in europe that there is in the states, they don't need as much cheap shit imported. communist countries aren't big buyers. and asian countries all have their own cheap labour, unless that changes i don't see how china whos economy is so dependent on the states could survive if the US economy crumbles.

I was in europe a few years ago and used EURO, it was good in different countries there = share a common currency? I didn't say they all did away with there own, but the EURO is good in the EU correct or am I wrong ?

I am sure there is more to it than just that, but it is a far streach from having 1 leader, 1 army, 1 legal system, etc... IE, you can't compare the EU to the US.

Sorry - I fought and served in the military for 12 years (not as an instructer at some midwest school either) for every Americans right to have an opinion and to voice it anywhere anytime they want. Unfortunately there are a few "citizens" that obviously missed a few classes in school when they talked about what it really means to be an American, and instead let idiotic paid pundits drive their ideas and voices for them - its a shame that people in this country can no longer think for themselves - and more importantly - get labelled "un-American" if they vocalize those thoughts.

I believe it was an earlier generation than mine that produced such phrases as
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it

and from my generation:
Our duty is not merely the preservation of political
power but the preservation of peace and freedom
(This was the keystone of the speech JFK was going to give in Dallas the day he was shot)

People got soft and forgot what made us great.

We ceased to be a nation of one in a time of war.

The American left undermined a good decent President, for partisan purposes, harming our national interests.

Wow you have done your homework, where did YOU serve?

Yeah too bad about that JFK guy, shot you say? Wonder why?

you are wrong....the US is doing the RIGHT thing because this world wont be around for another 100 years...yes 100 years

All soldiers are great cannon fodder. :1orglaugh

This rhetoric has been around for nearly a century. Everyday there is someone coming out pronouncing the collapse of the US and its economy. Heck, if you go back 5 years on this board, you'll find similar posts claiming the US is doomed any day now.

Most of these theories aren't being brought up by real economic guys, but rather conspiracy theorists worried about a "new world order" and the federal reserve crap that kids eat up. There isn't a whole lot of factual evidence to back up the impending doom of the US. While stating that China will catch up to us with their current economic growth, you also have to realize that they will never be able to sustain this growth for the next couple decades. Sure they're going to be a major player economically, but when viewing their rate of growth, one must also realize that the country was an economic disaster decades ago.

But the funniest part about this is the talk of the dollar amount that we are in debt. Yes it's a lot, but our GDP is huge. When comparing it to the GDP, our national debt is small compared to countries like Japan. Heck, Canada has a higher public debt compared to the US.

If you say the US will collapse because of their national debt, you must also say Japan, Canada, Italy, Greece, Israel, Germany and France are on the verge of collapse.

No country or empire ever maintains their prominence. They all fail sooner or later. It's not rhetoric, it's historical fact.


External debt - total public and private debt owed to nonresidents repayable in foreign currency, goods, or services

US - 80% debt to GDP
Canada - 60% debt to GDP
Japan - 34% debt to GDP

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications.../2186rank.html

Where are you getting your numbers from?

True, and nothing last forever, everyone eventually dies, etc... I think we all understand that.

What he said was everyday there is someone saying the US will collapse (not one day in the future, but soon). The different shit you hear everyday that the US will collapse because of this or that or this country will pass us up, is rhetoric.One day all things come to an end, is fact. Some people seem to think that "day" is tomorrow.

Data is pulled from the IMF and World Bank

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_GDP_(nominal)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._external_debt

The data you have there is only "public" debt, not external debt which includes public debt.

Perhaps it's that those that call it rhetoric choose to think their talking "tomorrow" because they don't want to admit that their country, business or whatever is going to fail sooner or later..

that is retarded. Find me one idiot that thinks the US, or any country will remain in power or even exist millions of years from now or even hundreds of years from now.

At the same time I highly doubt the people who are saying we are going to fail, be passed up, etc... whatever are talking about some point before the end of time. If they don't state the time, it is implied in all cases that it will be rather sooner than later. Look at the article that this thread was started about, China will pass up the US in 20 years. I think everyone but the thread starter knows that is bullshit. But, one day, 100 years from now or a thousand etc... sure it is possible China may rule the world for all we know.


you are nit picking here and way off base.

Why would anyone ASSume that unless they were trying to make the person not stating the time look like an idiot.. If we all know it's going to happen, then why assume they mean sooner rather than later.

But yeah.. I'm nitpicking because it's fun watching guys like you get all worked up about something that no one can predict one way or the other.

Do anyone want to become a Chinese? or even a Japanese?
Think that only when you are able to see the examples around you.
US is only not at the good hands at all, as the good hands rather The US.

idiot :2 cents:

i just wanted to point a few things out, the USA may have the worlds highest GDP, but it doesnt have the worlds largest per capita GDP. also the USA owes aprox 60% of its GDP as debt, whereas other countries such as the UK only owe aprox 40%.
also to the person who talked about the states cutting of trade with china, you obviously have no idea about politics or economics, politically and economically speaking the states wouldnt stop trade with china unless they had a very good reason to do so. for starters the rest of the world wouldnt be too pleased about this and im sure both the UN, and the E.U would have something to say about this.

Know dont get me wrong the United States is a very rich very powerful country but i would also like to point out the fact that most of their wealth and power came from exploiting poorere countries.

Anyways why do you allways have to say that your country is the best, who cares, im british, britain isnt the richest or most powerful country, but im fine with that i live a good life, my friends family and the british people as a whole live a good life so as far as im concerned its all good.

and anyways even if amerca was the richest most powerful country it still doesnt make you the best, take italy for examply they dont have the power or the money that the americans have, but you know what else they dont have, they dont have the greed, the political backstabbing, the high crime rates, the general ignorance, and the levels of discrimination and segregation that is seen in america. I just dont see why you allways wanna say that you country is the best, i mean personally id rather see my country become poorer and a little worse off, if it meant all the poorer countries became a little better off.

Surely the Euro zone is "an economy" with one currency....

What does America produce? There is an 800 Billion trade deficit.

Any idiot can consume thats all Americans do is consume.

No society can last that does not produce real capital.

in china, the people are slaves, they live to work, that's all what their life is about. What do you think how they pull up a new york sized city in 20 years..SLAVERY!!! 1 dollar / day machines

True, that's why it's not special anymore.

so no one can predict one way or the other ???? I predict the US will not collapse tomorrow and that China will not pass us up by the end of the week. you are funny, keep trying. :1orglaugh

Does anyone else think that a lot of this stuff will be moot in a couple decades anyway? With technology enhancing daily, we aren't separated like we were in the past. We can conference call with India for pennies, hire entire customer service divisions in Pakistan, and build products in Brazil without a hitch. It's no longer a huge gap between countries.

But the biggest problem we run into is IF the US economy collapses, so will the global economy. China and Japan will be devastated, and the rest of the world will feel the impact. In fact, countries like Japan would suffer huge depressions like we did in the 20's (virtually the same thing happened in reverse with the US and Europe). But the problem is that this scenario has never been tested before in the history of the world, so no one really knows for certain what will happen.

But I guess I'm not seeing why people are so happy about this. Do most of you realize that the majority of your income comes from US customers? I'm not trying to be patriotic or wave a flag because I don't really care about nationalism bullshit. But if the US tanks, so do most of your incomes.

:1orglaugh

triple Turkey and double Russia due to their disrecordeds, I believe more countries but they are the one playing to the top also... if you want to add black market, then more double and add more countries to the list even like Hungary...

IMO China may already reach the US state but who wants to become a Chinese? this is still a big fact and heck of the US

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...estimates_(PPP)

Btw. GFY server seems so fast, altough it warns about 3 minutes to edit the post, ends like within a minute.

We will see a new empire soon, a world government.

Thanks for proving my point.

The fact that a few countries share a common currency it's only a small part of what EU means. It's an economic union on its way to a political one. The member countries share common policies on many fields.
But above all it's a model on how such different countries, with different languages and cultural backgrounds gather and generously share their values peacefully for the prosperity and freedom of its citizens.
Economically, sure you can compare it with US, as EU it's an economic union.
And sure there is a EU government with a leader and a EU parliament. Military speaking, most of the countries being NATO members, there is no need for a common military force, although is a subject that is on debate.
I'm not an EU expert, but in the world today it is a model on how things should be solved peacefully, without involving the military power.

Some of you people really need a course in remedial economics.

China is growing at 10% a year and India is growing at 8% a year.
The thing you fail to understand is that these countries aren't really the ones growing. It's U.S. capital and U.S. companies that are growing, using Chinese and Indian labor. If we pull out they collapse, simple as that. We own the factories and the technology that allow their economic output. We "are" the consumers who purchase the goods and services created there, without us there is no economic growth in those countries.

As for the national debt of the U.S., there's an old saying that's very relevant to this situation "If you owe the bank $50,000, the bank owns you. If you owe the bank $50,000,000 then you own the bank"

War !!!!!

<3 eu, freedom without borders!

When most of the people accept anyone as they are and respect them unless they directly harm others to be as they are.

i really respect fat, anti-social turds who are also experts on macro economics.

:1orglaugh

me too you for your misthoughts and would like to meet you, where are you living at?

in the Principality of Monaco... near the Burger King on Crenshaw

fine living in Sisli, Mecidiyekoy, metro center of Istanbul also my family city is Antalya remind with Monaco a lot, hope to meet with you, probably will travel the world this summer because i am really bored and really like to having friends all over the world.
Btw. due to Istanbul Uni, Business administration faculty i got a bit used to with economy but you know what, you are right, bugging with the money and the girls more than usual is making you a bit heavy guy to hold that weight forever more than anyone usual. Do not worry, i understand you... it happens.