Former Heavyweight Boxing Champ to Take on Kimbo Slice! - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

xxxdesign-net · 03-21-2007, 10:49 AM

Kimbo wont take the fight to the ground in the beginning.. imo.. he'll try to outboxed Mercer and this is where Mercer needs to shine.. Not sure about this but i think Mercer may also have wrestling background..

xxxdesign-net · 03-21-2007, 10:57 AM

So Mercer officially replacing Dirty Danza for this one?

dig420 · 03-21-2007, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeVega

Ray Mercer is a great fighter .. i'd watch that fight

10 years ago. He can't fight on the ground at all.

Should have managed his money better.

EdgeXXX · 03-21-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by JC-OCCash

Thats whats at issue.....put gloves on them....it lasts maybe 2 rounds...but MMA rules changes things to Kimbo's advantage...as a boxing purist- there is no way Kimbo can stand up with even a 46yo Ray Mercer....but as soon as he takes him down its prob over...

That's kinda what I'm getting from this as well. Sounds kinda like they're trying to teach Kimbo how to win by submission because they know Mercer would stomp the hell out of him in the kind of brawl that Kimbo is used to fighting. At least that what it sounds like...

Digipimp · 03-21-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by EdgeXXX

That's kinda what I'm getting from this as well. Sounds kinda like they're trying to teach Kimbo how to win by submission because they know Mercer would stomp the hell out of him in the kind of brawl that Kimbo is used to fighting. At least that what it sounds like...

what they're doing is matching him up against a guy with not a lot of ground skills just like kimbo. they want it to be a boxing match because they feel like kimbo can take a punch and possibly move better on the ground. does anyone seriously not see this?

like i said this fight will come down to who can take who's punch better and im betting that mercer can take kimbos best shots and keep throwing. i know kimbo can take a punch as well but he doesnt have a tenth of the experience taking a punch as mercer does. power is the last thing that a boxer loses remember that also. no one ever doubted that mercer had power, he just fought guys who were simply better boxers in the big matches he lost like holyfield, lennox lewis and klitchskho

theS2O · 03-21-2007, 11:25 AM

I hate Kimbo..

smoke · 03-21-2007, 11:41 AM

Kimbo will get destroyed if he tries to stand with Mercer. He'll probably take him down and try to pound him out. It will be interesting to see. Who knows what kind of ground game either of these guys have. The problems I see is that Mercer is about 50 and hasnt fought in 4 or 5 years and Kimbo is always in terible shape. Either way it will probably end in the first, Mercer standing or Kimbo ground and pound.

Drake · 03-21-2007, 11:42 AM

That's sad for a middle aged man signing up to fight because he needs the bread.

My guess is that even though an old boxing champ could deliver serious blows to an amateur fighter, using MMA rules will remove any chance of him winning. The speed and agility of a younger fighter, who is allowed to throw kicks, choke, and put an old man on the ground is going to win.

Forest · 03-21-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Hey Bro. Tyson has been in talks with K1, and PRIDE about fighting MMA.

Never seems to happen.

Wish it did.

It could go either way.

well then I guess the question would be would Kimbo have both ears when the fight was over

Hows the training going bro?

Snake Doctor · 03-21-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

You do understand that they are fighting PROFESSIONAL MMA RULES.

Right?

You're like a broken record man.
We all get that you think BJJ/Wrestling is superior in every way to all other forms of fighting, but the fact of the matter is it all depends on the "fighter" not necessarily how the fighter was trained.

Mercer will have a punchers chance regardless of what kind of shape he's in and what training he does or doesn't do for the fight.
I've watched alot of Kimbo fights and I haven't seen him go to the ground ever. Sure he's training with these guys that you claim are gods, but still it's only for a few months.

In MMA guys that are black belts in BJJ lose every day to guys with striking backgrounds.
Sure to be a well rounded fighter you need to have stand up and ground/submission skills, as well as defenses, but you make it seem like strikers are pussies and BJJ guys are gods, and that just ain't true.

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

You're like a broken record man.
We all get that you think BJJ/Wrestling is superior in every way to all other forms of fighting, but the fact of the matter is it all depends on the "fighter" not necessarily how the fighter was trained.

Mercer will have a punchers chance regardless of what kind of shape he's in and what training he does or doesn't do for the fight.
I've watched alot of Kimbo fights and I haven't seen him go to the ground ever. Sure he's training with these guys that you claim are gods, but still it's only for a few months.

In MMA guys that are black belts in BJJ lose every day to guys with striking backgrounds.
Sure to be a well rounded fighter you need to have stand up and ground/submission skills, as well as defenses, but you make it seem like strikers are pussies and BJJ guys are gods, and that just ain't true.

Here's a novel thought, why not get off your fat ass and go find out for yourself what training as a MMA fighter entails. 4 months is a good time to train someone to sprawl and brawl, and ground and pound. I'm not even bringing in submissions, because it's not needed, to defend or get them.

Bring up one time I said Kimbo would win by submission fucktard.

All you have seen me post is MMA is a well rounded game, and while Mercer has boxing skills, Kimbos trainers are going to train Kimbo to negate Mercer's boxing by taking it to the ground.

If you had any idea what the fuck you were talking about when it came to fighting instead of doing your Live Action Role Playing Krav Maga, you'd have a clue.

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Forest

well then I guess the question would be would Kimbo have both ears when the fight was over

Hows the training going bro?

It's going good, I'm ready to fight now.

7 weeks till my fight. I'm killing that BJJ guy.

dig420 · 03-21-2007, 12:16 PM

Ray is SHOT. He can't let his hands go. Kimbo would still get beat with gloves on, but he has a good chance standing up without them. I don't think Ray has much of a chance if it goes to the ground.

Lenny, nobody disrespects strikers, but BJJ would still be winning 90% of the time if fighters didn't get stood up every five seconds. Royce would never have beaten Dan Severn under the current format.

dig420 · 03-21-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lenny2

You're like a broken record man.
We all get that you think BJJ/Wrestling is superior in every way to all other forms of fighting, but the fact of the matter is it all depends on the "fighter" not necessarily how the fighter was trained.

The fighter is important, his will and his ferocity, but the skill is the key. I don't care if you train in TKD every day for 50 years, you're an underdog to a BJJ blue belt who's trained for two years. It's a proven fact.

xxxdesign-net · 03-21-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

The fighter is important, his will and his ferocity, but the skill is the key. I don't care if you train in TKD every day for 50 years, you're an underdog to a BJJ blue belt who's trained for two years. It's a proven fact.

Not if you have good takedown defense ;-)

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

Not if you have good takedown defense ;-)

TKD does not have any takedown defense, let alone "good".

Fap · 03-21-2007, 12:30 PM

Kimbo is a big guy... Id love to see this..
wait with or without gloves?

jonesy · 03-21-2007, 12:30 PM

its going to be intersting to say the least -

kimbo, a street fighter, will have some mma training under his belt

mercer is a former pro boxer.

if kimbo goes toe to toe and tries to box/fight mercer, kimbo's ass will be handed to him.

if kimbo can drop mercer to the mat, then its over for mercer.

does anyone know if mercer is training in any of the grapleing arts/technics?

SxDx · 03-21-2007, 12:33 PM

amazing how many replies this thread has received so far. everyone has an opinion...some educated and others....not so much.

xxxdesign-net · 03-21-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

TKD does not have any takedown defense, let alone "good".

I meant in a MMA fight which I'd think both fighters would prepare themselves with one training to defend takedowns and the other trying to work on his striking skills/gnp..

but ofcourse, without any additional training.. the bjj guy has the edge..

GooSearch · 03-21-2007, 12:39 PM

so where can we place bets for this one.. mercer ias gonna get killed

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

I meant in a MMA fight which I'd think both fighters would prepare themselves with one training to defend takedowns and the other trying to work on his striking skills/gnp..

but ofcourse, without any additional training.. the bjj guy has the edge..

Ahhh, makes sense now.

Dig was talking BJJ vs TKD, so much empirical data that BJJ wins 9 outta 10.

MMA is a complete fighting system in all ranges. I've been training my ass off for my first fight, and I would kill the Anthony that was only a BJJ/Submission Wrestler guy in a fight before I started.

Pure BJJ fighters don't even exist in MMA anymore. Last one I saw was Royce vs Hughes, and everyone saw what happened with the past met the present. Gotta know how to fight in all ranges.

dig420 · 03-21-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by xxxdesign-net

I meant in a MMA fight which I'd think both fighters would prepare themselves with one training to defend takedowns and the other trying to work on his striking skills/gnp..

but ofcourse, without any additional training.. the bjj guy has the edge..

Keep in mind that without time limits the BJJ guy doesn't have to shoot in every five seconds like he's on crack. He can wait, let you come to him, or he can just wait for the opening instead of trying to create it. Takedowns are very tough today because the striker knows the BJJ guy has no choice but to go for it constantly.

A failed takedown is one of the most exhausting things you can do, a few of them and you're pretty much done for the night.

Profits of Doom · 03-21-2007, 01:18 PM

I think people that are backing Mercer here are remembering a much different Ray Mercer than they are going to get. If this was the Mercer of 10 years ago, and both guys put in the same amount of time training, I would've backed Mercer in a second. The man had a concrete slab for a chin and could throw a punch. But I still have the image in my head of Ray Mercer vs Remy Bonjasky in K1 where Mercer took a high kick to the head and suddenly looked like a very shot fighter.

If I remember correctly, Ray Mercer didn't even train for K1 before he took his first fight against Musashi. The guy's never really been known for his strong work habits, and something tells me he won't even train MMA seriously for this fight. If both guys just go in there and slug it out then Mercer would have a chance, but this isn't street fight rules and a pretty simple submission attempt by Kimbo could end this fight in a hurry. And you better believe the guys at FFA will be working Kimbo's ground game. it's going to be up to Ray Mercer to get with a good team and train his ass off to not get it handed to him, but history proves that he won't.

Digipimp · 03-21-2007, 01:26 PM

lol at all the talk of kimbo going for the takedown and submission because he's been training for a few months. you see fucking fighters that have been training for 2 and 3 years that still dont go for a takedown because they're better at striking. im sure this guy is going to take him down, put a big ass dude like mercer in a fucking armbar or something without getting his dome smashed in, yeah right.

I am chauncy · 03-21-2007, 01:30 PM

listen i don't want people to think that I am discounting BJJ or MMA but the facts are the you are talking about a backyard fighter who fights dumbfucks and has been beat by a nobody to a gold medal winning, former Heavy Weight Champion of the world who gave one of the greatest fighters of all time Lennox Lewis the best fight of his career this fight shouldn't be on pay per view it should be on Pros vs. Joes what people don't understand is how much more it takes not to just make it to the professional level but to succeed and maintain that success for any length of time Kimbo isn't iin the same class of human as Mercer

And don't think that Mercer is that far off He was training to fight Hasim Rahman in June the fight fell through so he has be training for a 10 round fight
but I could be wrong I mean he was training for Rahman not a Sean Gannon caliber fighter

Profits of Doom · 03-21-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Digipimp

lol at all the talk of kimbo going for the takedown and submission because he's been training for a few months. you see fucking fighters that have been training for 2 and 3 years that still dont go for a takedown because they're better at striking. im sure this guy is going to take him down, put a big ass dude like mercer in a fucking armbar or something without getting his dome smashed in, yeah right.

That's usually because they are fighting a guy that has also trained on the ground. Ray Mercer stated out of his own mouth that he didn't even train for kicks when he fought in K1. Do you think he's going to train submissions or sub defense at all? The first time they clinch a simple guillotine could make it a short night if Mercer doesn't train to defend it, and he probably won't.

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Digipimp

lol at all the talk of kimbo going for the takedown and submission because he's been training for a few months. you see fucking fighters that have been training for 2 and 3 years that still dont go for a takedown because they're better at striking. im sure this guy is going to take him down, put a big ass dude like mercer in a fucking armbar or something without getting his dome smashed in, yeah right.

Name me one pro fighter that wouldn't go for a take down on a boxer.

Thanks.

Profits of Doom · 03-21-2007, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by I am chauncy

listen i don't want people to think that I am discounting BJJ or MMA but the facts are the you are talking about a backyard fighter who fights dumbfucks and has been beat by a nobody to a gold medal winning, former Heavy Weight Champion of the world who gave one of the greatest fighters of all time Lennox Lewis the best fight of his career this fight shouldn't be on pay per view it should be on Pros vs. Joes what people don't understand is how much more it takes not to just make it to the professional level but to succeed and maintain that success for any length of time Kimbo isn't iin the same class of human as Mercer

And don't think that Mercer is that far off He was training to fight Hasim Rahman in June the fight fell through so he has be training for a 10 round fight
but I could be wrong I mean he was training for Rahman not a Sean Gannon caliber fighter

I agree that Mercer was a great boxer, but he looked like shit against Shannon Briggs his last fight, and that was in 2005. Ten years ago I wouldn't have argued against Mercer for a second, but the man is shot.

That being said I'm no fan of Kimbo either, and I am curious to see what happens if they stay on their feet and slug it out.

Profits of Doom · 03-21-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Name me one pro fighter that wouldn't go for a take down on a boxer.

Thanks.

Wasn't there talk at one time of Ray Mercer training with ATT if he stayed in K1? The ATT guys should lobby Ray to get his ass in there so he can get some proper training.

Digipimp · 03-21-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Name me one pro fighter that wouldn't go for a take down on a boxer.

Thanks.

name me a pro fighter that will be in there with mercer in that fight?

thanks

bushwacker · 03-21-2007, 03:13 PM

mercer will knock him out!

Snake Doctor · 03-21-2007, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dig420

The fighter is important, his will and his ferocity, but the skill is the key. I don't care if you train in TKD every day for 50 years, you're an underdog to a BJJ blue belt who's trained for two years. It's a proven fact.

I understand that. My point is that neither of the two fighters in this scenario have alot of grappling experience, so it's conceivable that Mercer could get trained by MMA people as well, which would negate any advantage by Kimbo other than age.

Also, the days of UFC 1-4 are long gone. Nobody in MMA steps into the ring without extensive grappling training (if they do they're idiots), but it doesn't begin and end with grappling, there are other aspects to fighting which are important also.

I'm sure you'll agree that not all BJJ black belts are created equal, some people are just more talented fighters than others, and you can't necessarily say the guy with the belt in BJJ is going to beat the kickboxer or wrestler.

Yes Gracie won UFC 1-4, but he wasn't just a BJJ fighter, he was a BJJ world champion, there's a big difference between him and 99.99% of other people who have trained in ground fighting.

jonesy · 03-21-2007, 04:07 PM

all this talk an no betting?

WTF?

Wheres boneprone?

tical · 03-21-2007, 04:59 PM

Can we watch you fight anywhere Anthony? Any vids online or anything like that?

You seem to have been training for a while and apparently know what you're talking about. Let's see some goods!

JC-OCCash · 03-21-2007, 05:43 PM

I would bet anything that the fight will go down like this....Kimbo- being basically a street thug with an ego to match will go in there and try to slug....if only just to say he knocked out Ray Mercer mano a mano...street cred whatever....he will quickly realize that this was a bad idea...take mercer down and eventually win a long, boring and ugly wrestling match....

bushwacker · 03-21-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JC-OCCash

I would bet anything that the fight will go down like this....Kimbo- being basically a street thug with an ego to match will go in there and try to slug....if only just to say he knocked out Ray Mercer mano a mano...street cred whatever....he will quickly realize that this was a bad idea...take mercer down and eventually win a long, boring and ugly wrestling match....

I agree with everything you have said, except mercer will knock the kim out of kimbo.

Martin3 · 03-21-2007, 06:08 PM

Alot of confused people here.

It's a hell of alot easier to each a guy to duck and grap a leg then it is to teach a long time pro boxer to counter act his instinct and drop his hands to defend a take down.

If this was a street brawl like most of Kimbo's fights were no take downs were allowed I'd go for Mercer.

I think Kimbo will take this one easy as long as he doesn't try to prove anything by standing with him.

FelixFlow · 03-21-2007, 06:15 PM

kimbo in every aspect: power, speed, all around skill

ray mercer was "lazy" even in his prime, at 46 years old he's just looking for paydays, so i dont expect him to come into this fight in phenomenal shape - nor will he be as prepared as kimbo will be

4 months of SERIOUS mma training to a naturally athletic man like kimbo, and its a wrap

if you've never stepped in the gym you wouldnt know

:2cents:

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Profits of Doom

Wasn't there talk at one time of Ray Mercer training with ATT if he stayed in K1? The ATT guys should lobby Ray to get his ass in there so he can get some proper training.

I heard something about that, but not much came of it if I remember right.

That would be something, ATT and FFN training head to head.

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Digipimp

name me a pro fighter that will be in there with mercer in that fight?

thanks

Sure, I'll go first.

Kimbo will be debut as a professional MMA fighter that fight with Mercer.

Now, your turn.

Actually, forget it, you wouldn't know.

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tical

Can we watch you fight anywhere Anthony? Any vids online or anything like that?

You seem to have been training for a while and apparently know what you're talking about. Let's see some goods!

Tical,

My fight will be streamed. Last I heard it was going to be free. If you are in the Santa Barbara area, come to the Earl Warren and watch it!

I'm fighting Heavyweight, max 260lbs.

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow

kimbo in every aspect: power, speed, all around skill

ray mercer was "lazy" even in his prime, at 46 years old he's just looking for paydays, so i dont expect him to come into this fight in phenomenal shape - nor will he be as prepared as kimbo will be

4 months of SERIOUS mma training to a naturally athletic man like kimbo, and its a wrap

if you've never stepped in the gym you wouldnt know

:2cents:

Truer words have never been spoken.

Digipimp · 03-21-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Sure, I'll go first.

Kimbo will be debut as a professional MMA fighter that fight with Mercer.

Now, your turn.

Actually, forget it, you wouldn't know.

gotta love someone who thinks they know everything. if kimbo is a pro and trained 4 months, why arent you? are you scared of something?

Pleasurepays · 03-21-2007, 07:35 PM

i didn't read all the posts... but here is my opinion on the situation. the growing cult of personality around Kimbo is really misguided. he hasn't fought anyone that had skills (except for gannon who submitted him standing up a couple times, much to everyones dismay). for the most part, he fought people who sucked worse than he did... mainly a bunch of misguided, clueless ghetto weirdos who made the near fatal mistake of trying to show off for their friends. being big and putting your head down and swinging doesn't make one a good fighter... even when you happen to connect and even hurt people. only in the last fight i saw, did it become apparent that he had actually started to train... you could see it in his punching and body work. is it enough? who knows? is he a great fighter? well... he hasn't fought anyone that they knew right away that he could beat. can he be a great fighter? depends on how comitted he is, how hard he trains and how well he accepts the inevitable fact that he's going to also lose from time to time.

i dont think people seem to really understand what it takes to get into shape for a fight and what kind of conditioning it takes. beyond that, its much much harder for someone who is a heavy weight. i box 5 days a week, trust me... i know. no matter how hard i work... its never enough. mercer knows. if i had to bet money right now on a fight between him and a pro boxer, i would bet money on kimbo losing steam right away... as he always does after a few flurries.

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Digipimp

gotta love someone who thinks they know everything. if kimbo is a pro and trained 4 months, why arent you? are you scared of something?

Gotta love idiots who don't read all the posts in a thread.

Read up some, about me fighting May 12 in my first MMA fight. My first fight was to be in August, I decided to take an earlier on in May as well, with only 4 months of MMA training. I have years of Submission Grappling, striking, but never all put together. So yes, moron, I am speaking from experience.

Nothing like looking like a dumbass because you didn't read.

Where's the list of Pro MMA fighters who don't go for the shot/takedown? You are full of shit.

I doubt you'll be back in this thread after being owned twice. But you never know with some tards.

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FelixFlow · 03-21-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Gotta love idiots who don't read all the posts in a thread.

Read up some, about me fighting May 12 in my first MMA fight. My first fight was to be in August, I decided to take an earlier on in May as well, with only 4 months of MMA training. I have years of Submission Grappling, striking, but never all put together. So yes, moron, I am speaking from experience.

Nothing like looking like a dumbass because you didn't read.

Where's the list of Pro MMA fighters who don't go for the shot/takedown? You are full of shit.

I doubt you'll be back in this thread after being owned twice. But you never know with some tards.

hey what are the details on your fight?? (location, organization, opponent?)

im far, but not too far from santa barbara, maybe ill come check it out!

Anthony · 03-21-2007, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FelixFlow

hey what are the details on your fight?? (location, organization, opponent?)

im far, but not too far from santa barbara, maybe ill come check it out!

Would be cool for you to make it Felix.

May 12th, 2007 Earl Warren Showgrounds. It's a new org, the promoter runs Santa Barbara Martial Arts, a former Pro MMA fighter. The card consists mostly of new fighters with zero record, myself included. The headliner which is still tenative is supposed to be Sean Liddel, Chuck's brother.

http://www.earlwarren.com/ews_pages_...darevents.html

Under May 12th, you can find all the info. Look for Throwdown.

FelixFlow · 03-21-2007, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthony

Would be cool for you to make it Felix.

May 12th, 2007 Earl Warren Showgrounds. It's a new org, the promoter runs Santa Barbara Martial Arts, a former Pro MMA fighter. The card consists mostly of new fighters with zero record, myself included. The headliner which is still tenative is supposed to be Sean Liddel, Chuck's brother.

http://www.earlwarren.com/ews_pages_...darevents.html

Under May 12th, you can find all the info. Look for Throwdown.

whoa that's pretty crazy coming all the way from florida!?!?! is there not a smaller org out there you can get a first fight ??

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03-21-2007, 01:18 PM	#74
Profits of Doom Monster Rain Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Mongo Posts: 4,978	I think people that are backing Mercer here are remembering a much different Ray Mercer than they are going to get. If this was the Mercer of 10 years ago, and both guys put in the same amount of time training, I would've backed Mercer in a second. The man had a concrete slab for a chin and could throw a punch. But I still have the image in my head of Ray Mercer vs Remy Bonjasky in K1 where Mercer took a high kick to the head and suddenly looked like a very shot fighter. If I remember correctly, Ray Mercer didn't even train for K1 before he took his first fight against Musashi. The guy's never really been known for his strong work habits, and something tells me he won't even train MMA seriously for this fight. If both guys just go in there and slug it out then Mercer would have a chance, but this isn't street fight rules and a pretty simple submission attempt by Kimbo could end this fight in a hurry. And you better believe the guys at FFA will be working Kimbo's ground game. it's going to be up to Ray Mercer to get with a good team and train his ass off to not get it handed to him, but history proves that he won't. __________________ “My Free Cams Affiliate Program by CrakRevenue”

03-21-2007, 10:49 AM	#51
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	Kimbo wont take the fight to the ground in the beginning.. imo.. he'll try to outboxed Mercer and this is where Mercer needs to shine.. Not sure about this but i think Mercer may also have wrestling background..

03-21-2007, 10:57 AM	#52
xxxdesign-net My hips don't lie Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 10,129	So Mercer officially replacing Dirty Danza for this one?

03-21-2007, 11:41 AM	#57
smoke Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 449	Kimbo will get destroyed if he tries to stand with Mercer. He'll probably take him down and try to pound him out. It will be interesting to see. Who knows what kind of ground game either of these guys have. The problems I see is that Mercer is about 50 and hasnt fought in 4 or 5 years and Kimbo is always in terible shape. Either way it will probably end in the first, Mercer standing or Kimbo ground and pound.

03-21-2007, 11:42 AM	#58
Drake Hello world! Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 12,508	That's sad for a middle aged man signing up to fight because he needs the bread. My guess is that even though an old boxing champ could deliver serious blows to an amateur fighter, using MMA rules will remove any chance of him winning. The speed and agility of a younger fighter, who is allowed to throw kicks, choke, and put an old man on the ground is going to win.

03-21-2007, 12:16 PM	#63
dig420 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 9,240	Ray is SHOT. He can't let his hands go. Kimbo would still get beat with gloves on, but he has a good chance standing up without them. I don't think Ray has much of a chance if it goes to the ground. Lenny, nobody disrespects strikers, but BJJ would still be winning 90% of the time if fighters didn't get stood up every five seconds. Royce would never have beaten Dan Severn under the current format.

03-21-2007, 12:30 PM	#67
Fap Just Du It Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 12,094	Kimbo is a big guy... Id love to see this.. wait with or without gloves?

03-21-2007, 01:26 PM	#75
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	lol at all the talk of kimbo going for the takedown and submission because he's been training for a few months. you see fucking fighters that have been training for 2 and 3 years that still dont go for a takedown because they're better at striking. im sure this guy is going to take him down, put a big ass dude like mercer in a fucking armbar or something without getting his dome smashed in, yeah right. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

03-21-2007, 01:30 PM	#76
I am chauncy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 568	listen i don't want people to think that I am discounting BJJ or MMA but the facts are the you are talking about a backyard fighter who fights dumbfucks and has been beat by a nobody to a gold medal winning, former Heavy Weight Champion of the world who gave one of the greatest fighters of all time Lennox Lewis the best fight of his career this fight shouldn't be on pay per view it should be on Pros vs. Joes what people don't understand is how much more it takes not to just make it to the professional level but to succeed and maintain that success for any length of time Kimbo isn't iin the same class of human as Mercer And don't think that Mercer is that far off He was training to fight Hasim Rahman in June the fight fell through so he has be training for a 10 round fight but I could be wrong I mean he was training for Rahman not a Sean Gannon caliber fighter __________________ "Catch a man a fish, and you can sell it to him. Teach a man to fish, and you ruin a wonderful business opportunity." Karl Marx Affiliate Program Cash Beta v0.9

03-21-2007, 03:13 PM	#82
bushwacker Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: so. fla. Posts: 2,817	mercer will knock him out!

03-21-2007, 04:07 PM	#84
jonesy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,688	all this talk an no betting? WTF? Wheres boneprone? __________________ . Shooting Bikini Girls Last edited by jonesy; 03-21-2007 at 04:08 PM..

03-21-2007, 04:59 PM	#85
tical Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 6,504	Can we watch you fight anywhere Anthony? Any vids online or anything like that? You seem to have been training for a while and apparently know what you're talking about. Let's see some goods! __________________ 112.020.756

03-21-2007, 05:43 PM	#86
JC-OCCash Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 2,756	I would bet anything that the fight will go down like this....Kimbo- being basically a street thug with an ego to match will go in there and try to slug....if only just to say he knocked out Ray Mercer mano a mano...street cred whatever....he will quickly realize that this was a bad idea...take mercer down and eventually win a long, boring and ugly wrestling match.... __________________ JC PRESIDENT OCCASH.COM - LORDSOFPORN.COM - FRESHCHECKS.COM - 702LOCATIONS.COM JC@OCCASH ICQ: 207659713

03-21-2007, 06:08 PM	#88
Martin3 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 1,529	Alot of confused people here. It's a hell of alot easier to each a guy to duck and grap a leg then it is to teach a long time pro boxer to counter act his instinct and drop his hands to defend a take down. If this was a street brawl like most of Kimbo's fights were no take downs were allowed I'd go for Mercer. I think Kimbo will take this one easy as long as he doesn't try to prove anything by standing with him. __________________ 264-543-302

03-21-2007, 06:15 PM	#89
FelixFlow Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,779	kimbo in every aspect: power, speed, all around skill ray mercer was "lazy" even in his prime, at 46 years old he's just looking for paydays, so i dont expect him to come into this fight in phenomenal shape - nor will he be as prepared as kimbo will be 4 months of SERIOUS mma training to a naturally athletic man like kimbo, and its a wrap if you've never stepped in the gym you wouldnt know :2cents: __________________ ICQ: 643 339 687

03-21-2007, 07:35 PM	#95
Pleasurepays BANNED - SUPPORTING TUBES Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: I live in a pile of boogers Posts: 11,913	i didn't read all the posts... but here is my opinion on the situation. the growing cult of personality around Kimbo is really misguided. he hasn't fought anyone that had skills (except for gannon who submitted him standing up a couple times, much to everyones dismay). for the most part, he fought people who sucked worse than he did... mainly a bunch of misguided, clueless ghetto weirdos who made the near fatal mistake of trying to show off for their friends. being big and putting your head down and swinging doesn't make one a good fighter... even when you happen to connect and even hurt people. only in the last fight i saw, did it become apparent that he had actually started to train... you could see it in his punching and body work. is it enough? who knows? is he a great fighter? well... he hasn't fought anyone that they knew right away that he could beat. can he be a great fighter? depends on how comitted he is, how hard he trains and how well he accepts the inevitable fact that he's going to also lose from time to time. i dont think people seem to really understand what it takes to get into shape for a fight and what kind of conditioning it takes. beyond that, its much much harder for someone who is a heavy weight. i box 5 days a week, trust me... i know. no matter how hard i work... its never enough. mercer knows. if i had to bet money right now on a fight between him and a pro boxer, i would bet money on kimbo losing steam right away... as he always does after a few flurries.

03-21-2007, 09:03 PM	#97
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