Would you promote something like this? - GoFuckYourself.com

SykkBoy · 08-10-2002, 07:49 PM

We're getting ready to roll out a pay per signup option for DarkDollars, but are looking to see if it was worthwhile to try it this way...
We're thinking of scrapping trials altogether. Keep in mind, our sites are unique in nature, so there's little to no competition to have to justify a cheap trial. We're looking into offering the old get one week free access, but the free week comes after a paid one month membership (in other words, 5 weeks for the price of 4) with heavy disclaimers of course to avoid chargeback pitfalls.

Would you promote something like this? You would still be able to promote a "free week" (as long as the words "free trial" wasn't used) for creative marketing purposes. Also would you prefer something like $25-30 per signup and get your own exit traffic back (or no exits at all) and $35-40 with the exits going to our consoles (with all of our sites represented on the first exit carrying your code or just the standard $35 per signup?

We're just looking for feedback. As a webmasters as wellas a sponsor I know what I prefer, but just wondering about the rest of the peanut gallery?

TheBigGuy · 08-10-2002, 08:40 PM

My 2 cents...rather than losing the trial, I would be thinking of more ways to upsell inside, esp. with your type of niche. The free week after a paid month was scammy back then and still sounds scammy. Finally and most importantly, what webmaster would promote a non-trial prog?

Krome · 08-10-2002, 08:44 PM

Big Guy do you play pimp war? and did I kick the fuck out of you?

TheBigGuy · 08-10-2002, 08:48 PM

the Shemp · 08-10-2002, 08:49 PM

$30.00 with no exits or the exit back to me is fine, i dont need trials either.

regards

shemp

SykkBoy · 08-10-2002, 08:52 PM

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Originally posted by TheBigGuy
My 2 cents...rather than losing the trial, I would be thinking of more ways to upsell inside, esp. with your type of niche. The free trial after a paid month was scammy back then and still sounds scammy. Finally and most importantly, what webmaster would promote a non-trial prog?

well, we're working on that as well...we have mucho upsells and such....but is the free week after a month any more scammy than the free trial? either way, there aren't a lot of people who read the TOS and/or disclaimers...all the trial tours claim "one week free" or "only $4.95" but the recur is not mentioned until the join form (personally, I don't have a problem with this, just giving that as an example of being the same as the buy one month, get a week free)....I realize most webmasters won't send to programs without trials, but I feel that if the promotion is right and the tour works well, the trial doesn't make a difference....especially in the goth niche...it's not like surfers are comparative shopping

it will also cut down on some of the fraud....if the tour is good enough to sell, I don't see why I should settle for $3-4 when that same surfer will just go ahead and pay the $30-40 per month...of course if we were doing the same generic niches and tours as everyone else, we'd probably have to go with the flow....if for nothing more than the "webmaster marketing" aspect....

this has always been a complaint of mine from both ends....trying to create a program that sells the webmaster and the surfer...I see all these slick, overproduced tours and funny enough, our best converting site is AlternativeGirls and the tour is very amateurish...almost plain....but webmasters won't send traffic to it for that same reason....hehehe, go figure ;)

I remember the days before trials and my conersions didn't suffer much back then, even when everyone started going with trials....

thanks for the feedback, it is nice to know what everyone is thinking....

cherrylula · 08-10-2002, 08:55 PM

dude, lose the trial.

give them a limited pass.

seven · 08-10-2002, 08:57 PM

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Originally posted by TheBigGuy
Finally and most importantly, what webmaster would promote a non-trial prog?

Speak for yourself man not others

none of my major sponsors have trials

cherrylula · 08-10-2002, 09:01 PM

I hate trials and try to promote programs that do not offer them.

TheBigGuy · 08-10-2002, 09:10 PM

I hear you Seven.

Sykk, talk to the guys with all the data in front of them...ccbill, ibill,etc. ibill once crunched a bunch of numbers and presented them to us in one of their premium account meetings. The numbers FOR trials was staggering. They even recommended the best trial/recurring pricing points...the exact #'s escape me. If your member's area is half decent, how can you lose with trials?

nocostporn · 08-10-2002, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by TheBigGuy
If your member's area is half decent, how can you lose with trials?

thats the problem...everybody is based on shitty member areas... the only time you should have no trials is when you have exclusive content i.e. bangbus
if you have the money just script something out to offer your webmasters to use trials or not based on their own discretion again,i.e. oxcash

no offence but i dont see a big buzz with your sites(dark$) so i dont see too many buying a full membership off the jump...better use trials

Speedy26 · 08-10-2002, 09:22 PM

no trial, exit back

SykkBoy · 08-10-2002, 11:34 PM

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Originally posted by nocostporn

no offence but i dont see a big buzz with your sites(dark$) so i dont see too many buying a full membership off the jump

none taken
the goth niche is fairly specific...it's not going to convert general traffic and retention from general sites isn't as good as from more specifc sites, and we realize this...but that's the way with more general paysites as well, in that if a surfer has just come from a TGP, they have already seen numerous sites, so they might do a little bargain shopping or are seasoned enough to have no intention whatsoever to recur, no matter how hot the site is. This is why some of the higher paying programs like SexHit and Intergal won't take TGP traffic...

actually, I'm a greedy fuck...I want to go with pay per signup to increase our profit margin....I prefer to pay a webmaster 30-40 and make more long term...more money in my pocket...for example, even though we had the hosting issue, we still have members recurring to gothicsex from day 1....we're having to pay those webmasters over $200 per signup and I'd rather have just given them $30-35 and made all that extra profit for myself...sorry to inject some honesty in a sponsor discussion ;)

again, I do appreciate the feedback...keep it coming guys....

08-10-2002, 07:49 PM	#1
SykkBoy Jesus loves bacon Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Sin City, Motherfucker Posts: 19,969	Would you promote something like this? We're getting ready to roll out a pay per signup option for DarkDollars, but are looking to see if it was worthwhile to try it this way... We're thinking of scrapping trials altogether. Keep in mind, our sites are unique in nature, so there's little to no competition to have to justify a cheap trial. We're looking into offering the old get one week free access, but the free week comes after a paid one month membership (in other words, 5 weeks for the price of 4) with heavy disclaimers of course to avoid chargeback pitfalls. Would you promote something like this? You would still be able to promote a "free week" (as long as the words "free trial" wasn't used) for creative marketing purposes. Also would you prefer something like $25-30 per signup and get your own exit traffic back (or no exits at all) and $35-40 with the exits going to our consoles (with all of our sites represented on the first exit carrying your code or just the standard $35 per signup? We're just looking for feedback. As a webmasters as wellas a sponsor I know what I prefer, but just wondering about the rest of the peanut gallery? __________________ Support my new movie “The Second Coming”

08-10-2002, 08:40 PM	#2
TheBigGuy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 84	My 2 cents...rather than losing the trial, I would be thinking of more ways to upsell inside, esp. with your type of niche. The free week after a paid month was scammy back then and still sounds scammy. Finally and most importantly, what webmaster would promote a non-trial prog? Last edited by TheBigGuy; 08-10-2002 at 08:42 PM..

08-10-2002, 08:48 PM	#4
TheBigGuy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 84	HUH?

08-10-2002, 08:49 PM	#5
the Shemp congrats to the winners Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Echo Beach Posts: 10,891	$30.00 with no exits or the exit back to me is fine, i dont need trials either. regards shemp __________________ i use Vacares...so should you Submit your picture galleries to my site...Outlaw TGP

08-10-2002, 09:22 PM	#12
Speedy26 Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: MI Posts: 950	no trial, exit back __________________ http://www.amberscash.com webmaster {at} crazynakedchick [dot] com

08-10-2002, 08:44 PM	#3
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	Big Guy do you play pimp war? and did I kick the fuck out of you?

08-10-2002, 08:55 PM	#7
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	dude, lose the trial. give them a limited pass.

08-10-2002, 09:01 PM	#9
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	I hate trials and try to promote programs that do not offer them.

08-10-2002, 09:10 PM	#10
TheBigGuy Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 84	I hear you Seven. Sykk, talk to the guys with all the data in front of them...ccbill, ibill,etc. ibill once crunched a bunch of numbers and presented them to us in one of their premium account meetings. The numbers FOR trials was staggering. They even recommended the best trial/recurring pricing points...the exact #'s escape me. If your member's area is half decent, how can you lose with trials?