Other than the webmaster's linking code not working at
http://www.lilykoh.com/tour2/index.p...OjI6Mg,0,0,0,0
(http://nats.islanddollars.com/track/%3C?=($_GET['nats']?$_GET['nats']:'MDowOjM')?%3E/)
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shouldnt be a single leak on any quickbuck tour. if anybody finds one we'd love to know so we can plug it.

let me make a few points, the line drawn is subjective, and by scam, i was not only referring to the huge blow-outs like xpics that are cemented in peoples minds, but in the common little tricks you mentioned in your first paragraph

2 prechecked crossells, in some cases with little to no information on how to cancel anything other than the initial sale. bear in mind that the crossell information does not get translated for foreign surfers, so they have no idea what that is, or if its any different than the opt-in "i am 18 or older" txt

companies have done this for years and continue to do so, i can name 10 off the top of my head right now

10 step, non-intuative cancellation process

a sponsor that pays on trials, but makes their trials impossible to cancel until after the first rebill

just a few examples, all those people are still around and they will be years from now.

ive learned that there is not always justice in this world. i used to thing that people that do scams will get caught and stop. ive learned, in most cases, that not to be true. if they have to, they change, they make arguments, and they do what they have to to stay in business, but they stay

the problem is that i like business, and those are the big cats, so im not willing to name names :)

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That would make for a good t-shirt slogan.

It doesn't really have much to do with justice, people getting caught, etc. And sometimes there is a fine line between a scam and legitimately pushing the envelope. There will always be people doing both.

The fundamental difference is one of attitude. I think almost everyone who approaches their business with the belief that the sky is the limit and he/she is capable of taking the ride, will tell you that the big picture comes first and that in a sense, the details fall into place naturally. Scammers, just to keep using a convenient term, are small-minded and unambitious because the details are their business. They have no big picture except to keep milking whatever they have for as long as it lasts.

Which isn't to say they never make any money, only that what they achieve will almost always be relatively limited and usually quite short-lived. When scammers are caught, in theory they could change and a handful do. But it comes back to that attitude thing again. Most who go that route in the first place, don't have it in them to go any other route. And in many ways it's a tougher route, because every time a scam has run its course, there has to be another to replace it, you likely can't make a profit any other way. All a straight business has to do, is keep on doing whatever it is doing.

James, just because webmasters in the past have tolerated this ongoing traffic leak, there is no reason it should be tolerated going forward. Quite simply, it is MY traffic, I should get paid for it, no matter what it does (at least up to any exit consoles).

It is a low percentage number, but what does it hurt the program to have it coded with my affiliate link? To me that would just show a program working hard to make sure everything is 100% for their affiliates.

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So you sell 404 traffic off of your site to another site?

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We also have a leak free tour option in our WM area

jayeff wanted to know your thoughts on this post
https://gfy.com/12101309-post21.html

from this thread
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/596416-cookies.html

I tried out what was talked about with my links and got the same thing.

Seems if they want to be clean they should fix this :)

Adult Lounge is as clean as a whistle (a new whistle of course because a used whistle probably isn't really all that clean).

Certainly... although as per a post I made earlier in this thread, it's a shame so many are focused more on ripping into those who are almost clean than on congratulating them for setting a good example.

It's not that I don't agree with someone who replied before, that it would be good to see all these guys taking the last few steps. But we have had a lot of - often long - threads lately on some of the current "tricks". It has become really difficult to keep track of who hasn't shown up in them and I know I could use a simple reference :)

To be honest I feel bad that some of the people who are way ahead in the "doing the right thing" stakes have ended up getting knocked. A couple of self-promos in this thread are close to taking the p*ss, but otherwise these are the good guys for now at least.

Well, Jayeff, with due respect, why not post up say 5 good examples to the types of traffic leaks that bother you? Rather than beating around the bush and not naming names, why not get to it and take some clean shots. Obviously the programs that you think are fudging it aren't going to come charging into this thread.

My personal issue is that there are programs calling "clean" that aren't totally clean - but they are a version of clean that for some dumbass reason affiliates are suppose to accept because "it's the norm".

Anyway, so who is on your shitlist? Cite some examples!

My intention is not to bash them for doing a good job. It is hard to congratulate a sponsor for good work when I see my affiliate id disappearing on yes a more minor of an issue. But now we are commending sponsors that are almost clean and not holding them accountable for the small stuff. Seems to me all should be evaluated and when the are clean; they are clean; before that they can continue to make changes until they are. I am with you that their should be more focus on the really bad ones though as well, but just wanted to explain why I was posting what I did.

Also I made an error above and used their instead of there lol. Wanted to add there is a chance with the issue of the members login issue that the sponsor does not realize it is a potential problem. I guess it is best just to inform them and see what they do :)

Alex, it's been going on for ages just like you said. Im confident that almost any of the programs you promote have the same traffic leaks you bashing other programs in this thread for. The programs that always pay on time, track stats honestly and so on. What would be bad if like i said before, you can make a affiliate sale dissapear by changing the link or url, or that a 404 ends up with a exit chain of 5. That would make a program not ''clean'' in my eyes.

If I wanted to produce a "sh*tlist", I would simply have added to an existing thread. I'm not trolling for post-count, sig-views or whatever, so I have no reason to open new threads to cover the same ground as topics already open. And if I had wanted to start a thread about traffic leaks from tours, I would have come right out and said so.

I thought my opening post was fairly clear. Lots of sponsors have rightly been taking a pasting lately on a variety of fronts (and plenty more probably are just as bad). Which sponsors are "clean"?

I'm not exactly shy about stating my opinions, so it's a fairly safe bet that what I write is what I mean. I have said three times now that we shouldn't settle for 99%, but I guess I was hoping for a fairly positive thread for a change and I do have a hard time getting energized about sponsors who almost have it right, when so many others are deliberately (in some cases) going out of their way to screw us and/or surfers across a whole range of issues. That's it...

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jayeff, so why not have a thread called "sponsors that are somewhat close to clean"?

The reasons we are in such a fucked up position now with many sponsors taking huge advantage of affiliate traffic is because for too long we all made enough money to tolerate the bullshit. But with conversion rates dropping like stones, more and more of us are getting concerned about what is happening with our traffic - ALL OF IT. That includes every link on the tour page.

I wasn't trying to beat on programs that are already pretty good, but I was taking exception to some who say "we are clean" yet I could easily find leaks right on page one of their tours. "relatively clean", yes... but clean, well... no.

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Your idea of 'relatively clean' isn't what mine is. In order to call my tour NOT clean would mean that the surfer would have to go through my webmasters link, NOT click on enter, but the webmasters link again, and then sign-up to become a webmaster for you to lose that customer. In ALL other scenarios you'd still be credited with the sale.. in essence you would be credited for the SALE no matter what. You're being way way too strict with your idea of 'clean'.:2 cents:

We are clean MooCash.com :)

If I am not getting paid for webmaster referals, why is that link on the page? If you get a new webmaster and he makes you 10k next year, are you going to reward me for finding him? Nope. So therefore, it is a leak.

How hard is it to understand that a leak is a leak, regardless of how little you think it is.

I didn't look too closely but I will give credit where it is due: The affiliate code is on every link and on every item on that page. On that alone, you are ahead of most.

this thread needs more clean sponsors...

this guy is just too strict like teengodfather said.

calling my kiddie porn and adult surfer links to report kp as traffic leaks? give me a fukin break lol

get a clue man

Get a clue yourself. All you have to do is make them open in a new window, and they aren't leaks anymore (because the tour remains). They are VERY VERY small leaks, but there is no reason to give your affiliate traffic any way to leave that makes them not spend money.

Plus, there is no reason to have a KP reporting link on your site, unless you are selling KP. Think about it.

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