Damian, you know I do like a lot of what you have to say, but on this thread I'm sorry but you're being ridiculous, and I'm pretty sure you know it. The better and bigger question here is, how can you not see that AFF's involvement with Zango is utterly and completely self-serving and detrimental to the rest of us?

How?

The only reason I can see for supporting such behavior is that you are recieving paychecks from them and don't want your source of income damaged... understandible, but it's a stance that I simply don't agree with.

Will has his moments of going a bit overboard on certain threads as well, but on this issue for the most part he is dead nuts on the money and in the right. The zango business model is a detriment to everyone's business (even yours), thus any company who supports it is subborning that detriment. I don't see where there's room to argue that point.

Anyway, carry on, and good night. (3:25 am here)

:D

yeah that and how can this mother fucker get away with making baseless accusations about me????

I am really pissed off that someone can make up shit like this and get away with it. I hope the mods here haven't seen this yet and when they do they will do something about it.

Damian has lot of issues here. If he doesn't like Clickcash fine. But that gives him no right to make up lies about me. Or perhaps he is trying to pull a Lars tactic, discredit the messenger to discredit the message.

Whatever his reasons for making up these lies about me, he should be demanded to provide proof or be banned.

I don't care if you call my mother a whore, say i have a small dick, or my wife is ugly, but don't make up lies about me to try to damange my business and reputation.

just out of curiousity - lets say you get about 3k a month from AFF in rebills, you know their TOS states that if you stop sending traffic you'll lose your rebills

Would you drop them? I mean that's at least $50 000.00 you're going to lose?
would you still drop them?

as always, you seem to crack wide open that can of grubby worms. The door truly does swing both ways.

Well... does their TOS say they'll take away your rebills if you stop sending them traffic?

If so, I doubt I'd have started promoting a company like that in the first place. My traffic is mine to do with as I please. So too are my rebills, or at least the sponsors I do promote think so. (I don't promote AFF, never have)

But for the sake of argument it's the way you're saying. Then I suppose I would gradually decrease my traffic to them, NOT sacrifice my rebills, and begin sending more and more of that traffic to a program that I know doesn't knowingly and willfully support the Zangos of the world.

But what I would NOT do is go on the boards defending actions I know are obviously wrong and not worth defending, income or no income.

and as for will69 - kudos to him for exposing the whole Zango shit, but there's no doubt that he's biased

a few years ago there were gazillion of threads from guys that got their accounts at clickcash closed, of course a shitload of them were mailing/running chat bots etc, but a lot of them were straight shooters, so what clickash did then is questionable to say the least

the TOS don't say exaclty - "no traffic, no rebills" but there's something like " we reserve the right and so on". Also, I've never heard of them enforcing it either but I personally wouldn't take the chance.

well, thanks for the honest answer

Someone needs to keep me in check ? :1orglaugh

AFF is using zango, and you are here posting that someone needs to keep me in check :upsidedow


Just wanted to point out again, that you said ClickCash is paying me to post on GFY. and you have proof of this right ?

WTF? if you stop sending traffic you lose your rebills ?

i don't think he is being paid by CC, no way

he is just like me, when he gets going on a tangent or topic he feels strongly about, he sees it through and doesn't let up...I am the same way, when i feel strongly about something I raise my voice and make sure everyone hears me no matter how annoying I get

reminds me of AWE and their 14 day cookie....if you get 100 customers signed up, but none of them purchase chat time for 15 days, you don't get any of the money, after 14 days of no activity the member is fully AWE's and you get no more revshare off them

it is understandable to say that I might be biased to clickcash.

it is not understandable to assume that i will attack another company because I promote clickcash. Damian is accusing me of bashing AFF because I promote clickcash. WTF does one have to do with the other. It totally makes no sense anyway. Never mind the fact that I sent traffic too AFF in the past, that I liked Lars, and that I was about to hook them in with a project I was was working on. Never mind the fact that AFF using zango was costing me money by hijacking my traffic and sales, noooo it's a clickcash conspircy, I forced Lars to use zango so clickcash could have an excuse to bash AFF and they chose to pay me to do it. They contacted me 4 years ago and told me to start posting on GFY so I would be "established" when the time was right to put this zango bash AFF attack in play. I actually can't think of a more rediculas thing to come up with....

:winkwink: i can't deny what you say I know i can tend to get annoying sometimes. Only two things really get me going though, stealing from me and making up bullshit to try to damage my business/reputation.

I have a select few I am begining to promote atm, and it is threads like these which prepares me for the shitty tactics I need to be aware of, but it is no different wherever you go, thats capitalism. Any offers, I hate everyone equally!!

Fuck Zango! Fuck AFF! and Fuck Any other companies that use Spyware/Scumware to steal affiliates money and traffic:2 cents:

i agree.....

oh, and one last thing - so far AFF earns me most $$$/per click

so, boys and girls, you should carefully weigh all the facts before making up your minds

Fake drama? I wish Will would not keep getting drawn into defending himself against the likes of you, because it is distracting from the main issue and might give a some credence in the minds of a few that this has all been about Will and not about scumware. But to call any of this "fake drama" is typical of your bias throughout.

Accounts which are not profitable will be terminated by ClickCash and switched to revshare by AFF. Whether I like those conditions is irrelevant as part of the "Zango" issue, because both operations state their terms quite clearly, so I either accept them or I do not. Neither company can be accused of anything underhand for applying their terms.

Just before I spotted this thread I read a post in which Will made it clear he was calling you a liar in relation to your claims about him being somehow paid by ClickCash for attacking AFF. He didn't and couldn't claim that ClickCash's reputation is squeaky clean.

But for a moment, let's say that Will is the least trustworthy webmaster to ever hit a message board, and ClickCash is the epitome of the sponsor from hell. What does any of that have to do with AFF or any other sponsor who uses and/or approves the use of Zango or other scumware? Absolutely nothing. This thread, like many of your posts on the topic are just half-assed attempts at throwing up smokescreens.

Your self-proclaimed "balanced" views have been transparently one-sided throughout. However short-sighted I consider Sleazy (for example) to be because he allowed a major part of his income to become dependent on a single sponsor, at least he hasn't actually tried to defend their actions. You on the other hand, are beneath contempt.

I hear you talking Jeyeff (as usual) - but I am yet to see you say anything.

You write an entire essay that could be put into one well placed "Smiley"

:helpme

That is the dumbest, most clichéd claim in this whole debate and it is beyond me why so many webmasters fall back on it.

Check out Hoes' or GG's stats if you need to be reminded that a whole bunch of sponsors/sites have the potential to generate similar figures. The disparities between such stats (although no-one with any experience should need reminding) are also a reminder that how a sponsor is promoted makes all the difference in the world to individual results.

Certainly AFF are saleable, but they are not magic. If they earn well for you that is because you learned how to promote them. It is up to you if you choose to support a sponsor who has crossed far over the line of legimitate competition, but you do yourself a disservice by implying that your experience plays no part in the results you claim.

drammmmaaaaaaaaa

Of all the people involved in this debate, I have the least respect for you.

Short enough?

You kept it short and had something to say. Congrats.

Its been clever spin by Will since day 1.

I am the only one that has kept it close to being a 'debate' rather than a runaway bitch fest of Will's closest competition.

I can't read this anymore. Every time damian replies it's just ridiculously funny, I really hope this is a joke of some sorts. If not, how the hell do you expect people to take you seriously in this business?

i tend to agree. someone who runs an endless campaign against an honest company like zango either has a screw loose or is on someone's payroll.

My head just exploded.

Hmm.. I'm wondering if AFF is paying Damian to start such threads... What other possible reason could there be for it.. He has nothing to gain by just throwing it up other than wanting to piss Will off.. unless he's counting a few extra bucks while doing it.. Just my wonderment...

But... If CC was paying Will to be a whistle-blower... so what??
If blowing the whistle brings out facts that people need to know about, then the whistle needs to be blown loud and clear... paid for or not...

But this is a typical bullshit thread where an accusation is made without proof... and the only replies from the accusor are statements totally unrelated to the accusation, or proof of..

Gotta love GFY.. :)

LOL jayeff is the best poster on this board and you just equated his entire post to = someone who posts a :1orglaugh


Damian, explain this to me. If Clickcash was paying me to attack AFF why did I wait 3+ years to start doing it. I've been on GFY since 2003 and I have been promoting clickcash since 2000/2001. So why did I wait till October 2006 to say the first bad thing against AFF ? Find 1 post prior to this zango shit where I ever said 1 bad thing about AFF.

that kinda blows your whole bullshit theory doesn't, perhaps it was finding out AFF was using zango that made me post bad about them. I wonder why that is so hard to believe.

And the question I am waiting to find out, Will the mods do something about this ? I have been asked to provide proof and so have others for far less accusations.

So will they do anything about this and ask Damian for proof ?

i don't think clickcash.. or web power, inc gives a shit enough to post here or pay will to say anything about anyone

while i don't agree with all of web power's business practices, i simply don't think they care enough about anything being said on the internet to ever pay someone to comment on anything

web power, inc has been smeared for years on the net, that's probably something that will never change

i dont think will would do that.

people also say that Will did it to gain affiliates for teamclickcash, which i also dont believe as Will sends huge numbers of sales a day himself, therefore the results of things like zango and other spyware would have taken a notible monitary amount on an large affiliate like him.

personally, i thought what he was doing was great, pitty he has slowed down on the threads now :(

thanks.

Fact: I haven't taken on 1 new affiliate since posting about Zango, so there is no way I did it to gain affiliates. I just haven't had time to help people with clickcash. If maybe I wasn't spending so much time with zango I would have more time to help build my clickcash referral money. Just another point were posting about zango is costing me money not making me money.

Fact: I never said 1 thing bad about Lars/AFF prior to me finding out about zango. Someone find 1 posts out of thousands i made over 3 years prior to this and prove me wrong.

Fact: The time I spent on zango / AFF has been at least 40+ hours. This is time that I could have been spending on myself, so I lost money by doing this.


The other thing, I don't understand how damaging AFF helps me anyway? Maybe Damian can tell me how I benefit from bashing AFF, I am sorry i can't figure that one out.

It's asshame I have to defend myself to a dumb ass. The only reason I am continuing to reply in this thread is because it is doing a lot more damage to his efforts than what he was trying to accomplish in the first place. Also I hope the mods will rule in on this. Until they do I won't let this go.

no fucking way, will76 is legit, the point is this, if aff stops using zango, will will stop posting threads about it

and if anything, it will help bring aff closer to a level playing field with clickcash, so thats the real agenda, so its up to you to decide whether it is an honorable one or not, how it affects you, and which side you stand on the issue

bump bump.

where did damian go ? run out of lies damian ?

Wow damian, looks not 1 single person thinks the same way you do. moron.

bump for the mods to see this.

Just when I thought Damian couldn't show anymore ignorance than he already has, this thread pops up. He feels so tied to AFF because he's scared to try another sponsor, that he has to defend them at any chance. Any pittance of credibility that he had is now dashed.

damian any reply ? its getting hard to keep this post on the front page without your help, where did you go ?

Oh.. it's not that hard :)