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Hey guys, it's awesome to see the reponses so far from the people who support and idea of each of us contributing a few bucks monthly to hire someone full time to work on this to help educate and protect all of our interests.
I think a big help would be to ask your friends, associates, and sponsors if they would contribute. The $50 / affiliates and $500 / sponsors was just thrown out there, but i think would be a good number to use when asking them if they would be interested. If we can get enough support I think the next step would be to find 4 - 5 key people to help set this up, make sure everything is legal and done correctly next step would be to collect membership dues and hire someone to start doing the work for us,put together a site and disclose the information to everyone. |
Who wrote that text on the first post?
Is there any proof? |
From what I understand alot of Big Wig type webmasters with well over 400 sites that are affected by this can you imagine the sales they have lost?
It may not even have crossed the minds of small timers with 2 or 3 sites. But these guys are millionaires and Im sure they have documentation I alone have been following this for days I have dedicated my life to making money in this industry and I am sick of seeing these exploits!!!!! |
i wonder how much of this shit is origin from torrent sites / fake torrents etc etc
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This is the best motherfucking Idea I have ever heard of! PERIOD! These attacks will always change as do terrorists attacks cuase thats what they are lets stop putting down the sponsors and lets all work as a fucking team to rid the net of this shit! :2 cents: |
I think that Will76 has made an excellent suggestion, and it should not be difficult to get a number of sponsors and affiliates on board.
I would suggest that the group be named something more broad than "anti-spyware" though, as I think that the group of business owners working together to fight spyware might also want to fight other unethical practices (shaving and perhaps spamming comes to mind offhand.) Perhaps it could be the springboard for a "best practices" thing that could be a benchmark that could be beneficial toward keeping both sponsors and affiliates profitable and successful. We would be interested and might be able to contribute some programming resources as well as some money to the project. |
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Anyone interested please post on it with contact info.....From there I would have to say its up to us(REAL WEBMASTERS) not people who want to post about the movie they saw last night becuase they have no life! But serious fuckin people interested in making money!!!!!!!!!! LETS ALL BEAT THIS CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup |
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You stupid fuck. |
I am in - sounds like a great idea
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It would be monumental to get a group started about anything in the first place so I would take it one step at a time. But that doesn't mean it couldn't lead to others things and over time could encompass other issues that you mentioned. |
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IMO, it would work best with 4-5 elected board members and a trusted 3rd party to over see the money collected and how it is spent. Also would need an attorney to step up and help make sure everything is legal, and adivise on what can and can't be said and done. If elected, I would be more than happy to donate my time and be involved on a "board level" capacity. We really only need 50 - 100 people (affiliates) and 10 or so sponsors to become a member. Someone could create a logo (seal) for the affiliate program to put on their sites and they would also be listed on the membership site for everyone to see that they do not support spyware and they are doing what they can to prevent it. I am also in the process of finishing a website that will be a great benefit to everyone in this industry. I think this site can help spread the message as well. |
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In either case, this IS easy to tackle at the sponsor level - it just requires minor backend modification on how they track affiliates. |
Anti Spyware Coalition
Please the first step is getting everyone on this to (get together) PLEASE SEE THREAD ON Anti Spyware Coalition. Sign up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup |
Here's an update on this and some clarifications
I became aware of this spyware activity about a week ago when the computer of a very experienced friend of mine was affected by it. It happened through the fake codec update RawAlex posted earlier. Since he is a tech guy he noticed the hijacking instantly. He analyzed all registry changes and outgoing connections and also started contacting the aff.programs he is using and at that point seem to be affected. Before coming on forums and posting half-info of what could possible be going on we decided to further research it first to avoid making false claims and accusations. Soon we realized the size of this issue and specially after talking with directors of few aff.programs. There's an already growing number of infected computers that frequently visit adult sites and it ranks in several millions. So, 3 days ago I let an experienced webmaster know of this issue and pretty much start letting know the adult webmasters community of what is going on. All those numbers mentioned in his initial post are personal estimations I had after getting in touch with various affected parties. If you had told me 10 days ago these numbers I wouldn't believe them, but now I can pretty much assure you they are realistic and they'll get even higher within the next few months. Some important things: a) There's minimal descrimination on what kind of paysites they are getting targetted. The initial post states: "CCBill is according to my source aware of it and seems to be the sponsor hardest hit". This was wrong interpretation of my words. When I found out the size of the problem I notified ccbill about it and provided them with some technical info and a sample source of infection. I did that for the simple reason it's the processor I know better and I can take their word they'll seriously check it out. At this point all cases I'm aware of have to do with aff.programs paying out with Epassporte. This for the simple reason such illegal activities are usually keen to anonymous payment methods. b) As stated before the whole hijacking takes place on dns level therefore making things extremely harder. Aside paysites any domain can be target of this activity. For example user visits ebay.com and technically he could get a phishing site instead. I haven't seen with my own eyes the hijacking method that Wil described,but I'm sure it happens. Just I want to point out this isn't so popular at the moment (unless we are taking about adware) and not directly related with this growing issue mentioned in this thread. If you read reports of security analysts on this case you'll see they characterize it as organized crime. This is due to the intelligence and available resources it has. I cannot confirm it 100% yet, but it appears the whole spyware creation takes place on server level on-demand. Meaning the software used is so sophisticated now it generates unique instances of the same spyware for each visitor or at least extremely frequently. This makes its detection tremendously hard. c) Another reason I didn't brought this on forums myself is for the simple fact I don't like to appear as fake-anti-spyware cruisader with actual intentions a low-level marketing scheme. I find it pretty lame that each aff.program "has to take" a public position if they support spyware or not. From what I remember we never bothered even making a post about it before. Spyware is stealing. Period. If it's not obvious to some affiliate of us we do not support stealing I can tell him he has poor criteria on picking business associates. d) Suggested Solutions. I'll let you guys propose those, I already said my thoughts on this before and is similar to what Wil suggests. Just something to point out for being more effective in shorter timeframe is to at least attempt to seek a legal solution in the beginning. This is a truly criminal activity that is straight related with anyone operating a website/business on-line and everyone surfing the web. If you have any technical info you think they can help please email them to me at [email protected] thanks |
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<---has no paypal account.....posted a paypal account last month to get paid on this board.....since that day i get phishing emails once ever other day from "paypal"....i love this place:disgust
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Seeing is believing. I had some people argue with me months back that it wasn't a big deal, i talked them into downloading the shit on their pc and when they saw what was happeing they were floored and pissed. in many cases "adware" = spyware. It is just adware tries to appear to have a legal front and they are run by corporations where as spyware is some trojan installing kid in mama's basement with no attempted perception of being legal. sure zango tricked a lot of people "legally" into installing the search assistant, but how many of their affiliates have done installs of zango on other people's computers without the user knowing. Probably millions.... " blame the affiliate syndrome" . Zango didn't do it, it was the affiliate.:upsidedow the problem with a "criminal / civil " route is that a lot of these individuals opperate in countries like Ukrane where we have no recourse. One possibility is to sue the affiliate companies themselves that allow support and accept this traffic. Glad to see more and more people are finding out about this. whether it is "adware" or spyware trojans, they all affect us the same, they steal signups from us. I just wish you would have found out about this more than a couple days ago. |
yes true, but I would wait a bit more to see how certain organizations will act before saying we can't be effective on legal level. It's incredible, but even google itself is getting targetted:
http://www.addtrades.com/screens/assisass1.jpg |
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and when i say adware = spyware, I don't mean all adware. I use google tool bar and have no issues with stuff like that. It is the shaddy shit like zango, whenu, and a shit load of others who "sneak in", bundle other crap in with their "adware" download that hijacks and redirects our traffic and costs us millions... shit has got to stop one way or the other. |
let's keep this shit alive ladies. I doubt any programs that could make a difference even give a shit though....
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This thread will get a couple.. hundred bumps from me easy, so it should stay a live for while. |
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True, a company can create an affiliate account through their own program so it looks like an affiliate, can the account so they make everyone think they closed the spyware asshole, and then they just make a new account and do it again. Eventually they will be exposed for doing this. If they really close down accounts and don't pay the word will spread through the spyware community and after these people get their accounts shut down and don't get paid, they will move on to try someone else. if an account gets banned then new one replaces it, gets banned, new one, gets banned, etc.... this can only go on so long before it is blatantly obvious the affiliate company is behind it. |
that`s sucks!
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The idea of an industry trade association has been brought up a number of times for all kinds of reasons. Shaving, insurance, representation to congress and so on. Never seems to get off the ground.
We do have somethings in place now that might be of help. For example StopBadware.org. Wonder if there could be any help from the electronic frontier foundation or other groups. While this subject may not be their main focus, they sure have a ton of resource. So the point: Is there any group that is already established that might help? |
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this shit is killing me :( my sales are in the fucking trashcan ratios so bad it's hard to believe |
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Its a hard pill to swallow that sponsors are the ones who are Profiting from this I have started a thread "Anti Spyware Coilation Sign Up" It is in the works at this point if 1.We as webmasters get organized with it 2.If enough people beleive 3.If sponsors want to play ball 4.We should all benifit greatly by this. Please see thread...............:thumbsup |
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ok I am busy as fuck today, so I skipped a few posts (dunno if anyone suggested any smart solutions).
anyway, recently we got hit with one of these. one of my editors got tricked into installing a scumware that was masquerading as a legitimate program on his machine, tryng to do an update. He allowed the update. the thing crashed the firewall and let more shit through. It looked a bit weird at the time it happened, but we didn't notice any weird shit going on and antispyware & antivirus didn't report anything. 2 days later however... we noticed our linking codes were getting changed to the scammers' ones. the scumware infected the registry and put the scammers' "namerservers" in there, causing the click on a browser accessing their nameservers first. upon identifying the regular joe's browser is trying to access milfhunter dot com they redirected to their own ND linking codes. when you see the shit happening in front of your own eyes, it really hits you. the shit was easy to block (once you figure out you have it, that is). however the sheer thought of us webmasters being tricked in to installing it (and we are experienced) is fucking scary. think about hoooooooow maaaaaany regular joes out there exist having this scumware installed on their machines right at this moment, taking your sales away. One of the top 10 sponsors listed here http://www.pornresource.com/industrystats/overallaff/ said the scammer was making 20 sales/day. Now just imagine how many sponsors are on that list - and you end up with a couple of hundreds of sales per day. Lots of sales taken away from affiliates. The IPs of this scammer belong to the known Ukrainian spyware spammers working from class C IP ranges 85.255.114.* & 85.255.112.*. They run all sorts of spamming operations. You name it, they run it. Stealing affiliates' sales is one of them. One another sponsor told us they see 5% of this "scam traffic" and were looking into ways of how to get rid of it. Which is a positive move, but I am not so sure (like RawAlex says) how many sponsors motivated to eliminate the scam. Some don't realize that they won't lose sales - they only hurt their affiliates - their traffic partners. There was one common thing to these scammers sponsors were able to identify: - traffic was coming from various URLs (URLs you could find in multiple other legit affiliate accounts) - scammers didn't reply to questions regarding traffic origin, ownership of the URLs in question. - they were using epassporte. The thing is all up to: 1) anti-spyware companies to clean the shit 2a) sponsors to decide to put an end to it 2b) they see these 3 combinations I mentioned above and they put the account on hold. |
good post McSpike 150
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hmmm one fidy?
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Hmmmm! :)
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this thread needs more replies bitches!
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Damn. Good read, thanks to those that have spent time gathering facts to catch the rest of us up. I am looking forward to figuring out how I can contribute to some solutions.
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That is what everyone says after they see it happening. I didn't know about this shit either unti I got it on my pc and watched it in action. To all of you people out there who still thinks adware/spyware is not a big deal, go put it on an old pc and go visit your own websites. Then come back and tell me what you think. |
Ignorance is bliss they say... and some of the dumb fuckers that don't care about this just don't get it...
I see alot of people referring to this as spyware... let me clear that up for you... this is a trojan! How many of you dumb fucks lost money when all of the CC's were charged back a few months ago? How many of you have to deal with rampant CC fraud? This trojan is an evolution... don't believe me? http://www.thehun.net/gazette/ <-- it was a Java Bytecode exploit a few months ago... now it's a sophisticated trojan... so sophisticated that every client that downloads it downloads a different file... there are no 2 downloads the same... that is why AV and spyware programs can't detect it. Do you think that refcode stealing and fake traffic generation is all they are doing? You must be stoned stupid to believe that! I am glad that some sponsors are starting to come forward! Don't worry! We know you are cancelling their accounts and keeping the sales... It's ok... they will just sign up for new accounts... Remember where you came from rich boy... how many of you got where you are because affiliates put you there? |
I check EVERY sale and make sure it comes from the affiliates site, Why can't more people do this, I know for a fact it has not messed with my site or has not worked yet, hell it is to small anyway. If you want details on this email me, I will be glad to do tracking on every sale and let you know where it came from, until this is fixed it is the best thing I can come up with.
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BUUUUUUUMPOooooooo
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bump back to the world
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wow long read...hope there is a solution on the way
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