i have no problems with competition but this.... is NOT about competition. Swapping refcodes on the the join page is fucking theft. :321GFY

This type of hijacking is not related with affiliate IDs and how they are stored, neither with cookies. When a computer gets infected it has to contact hijacker's DNS to resolve each domain. Hijacking takes place before even reaching the domain itself. At any given time hijacker aside a paysite can target any domain and point it anywhere including your own free sites.


My suggestion is the adult industry needs a 3rd party operation that will offer a free scanner and removal tool daily updated that surfers will use. At the same time make available those updates to other antispyware companies. It has to be certified by an organization so surfers to be able to trust it. All adult webmasters then will have to link to that.

I posted this a year ago and no one seemed interested at the time...

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=573522

Don't know if this is the source of what you're talking about but it's extremely similar.

Not even sure if "chhits" is still active or not. I haven't been paying attention to the specific domains lately, just banning the ones that are redirecting or that I "suspect" are going to redirect (based on some known patterns).

yes! that's exactly what we need...BUT getting anyone in adult to cooperate is like herding cats sadly :(

Is the pixpox thief still at it? Seems the domain is up, still has galleries on it.
Smokey brought it up a while ago, but haven't seen much on it since. The guy should have been blacklisted out of the industry.
https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/390522-adult-com-sponsoring-trojan-website.html

Perhaps it's unrealistic, but one approach might be a sort of "best practices" group. Get a handful of sponsor programs to agree to take proactive steps to fight this sort of thing (as well as other sleazy practices that affect affiliates and members), and those sponsors are recognized as part of a "best practices" group. Then, affiliates who wish to can show their support by sending more traffic to the sponsors that are part of the best practices.

Affiliates could do the same thing and encourage sponsors to provide perks for affiliates that agree to adhere to best practices.

It wouldn't be mandatory of course, but it gets around the problem of not being able to get cooperation from people in the industry, by creating a self-selecting group that *wants* to work together honestly to fight these sort of underhanded behaviors.

scammers suck

i have spyware on my damn site, not my my galleries!
as soon as you go to the site probably once a week, there is a pop up
i have to go to the index and remove the iframe
i have no idea how it gets there

sounds like an idea someone should at least think about. I for myself i'am willing to push such sponsors tha actively show they are doing something against it.

ever thought of trying to pay someone and get some professional help or are you just fine to help infecting a bunch of PC's each week? Seems you just accept things like they are. Beside that it can easy give you a nice place on some blacklists and cheater forums if a trade partners gets aware of it and i guess you would have some problems to explain why your site is installing an expoit or any ther shit over weeks. Just a suggestion, get some help, there are good system admins for hire that will fix your problem in lightspeed.

I don't agree. If they do nothing, they will lose traffic because the affiliates that are getting fucked, will drop them (low conversions, fishy stats, etc). Most sponsors won't understand what is going on. For example: An affiliate uses a php script to track his traffic sent to a certain sponsor. Because of spyware installed on a number of surfers computers, only 95% of that traffic will reach the sponsors site using the affiliate's ref code. When the affiliate notices that the sponsors stats are off, he will suspect the sponsors stats aren't working correctly. => The affiliate contacts the sponsor... sponsor has no idea what is going on... sponsor replies "our stats are accurate"... affiliate goes to gfy and starts a thread "sponsor X is shaving (count sonly 95% of the traffic I send them)".


About those cleaners programs:
- there are TONS of fake cleaner program out there.
- alot of those cleaner programs also block/erase cookies. So promoting those programs is like shooting yourself in the foot.
- alot of spyware crap already hijacks traffic going to antispyware sites.

Sounds like your server got hacked, and the popup may be only a tiny part of your problem. Your server could be spamming, or hosting phishing or malware sites, and you might never know.

I would definitely get some help from someone who is really good with site security, some of the rootkits being installed these days are pretty difficult to detect. Hit me up if you need a recommendation, we have a guy we use for such things that does an amazing job, is very honest and fair, and is pretty inexpensive.

There is one out the right now that actually modifies apache, and redirects people as they come to the front page of your site. It only happens occassionally, and it attempts to install malware on their systems if they have a vunerable version of IE, otherwise you get bounced back invisibly.

I don't remember the last time I visited GFY, and I come back to another one of these threads.

Unfortunately, there is nothing new to this. Either it is just starting to come out in the open in the adult world, or people are now finally paying more attention to what it really means for them. On the other hand, for many, this is really news. :(

It is nearly impossible for affiliates to go down the legal channel with adware/spyware companies and win. Most, if not all, of these programs do not rewrite the affiliate code themselves. There's no grounds from an affiliate standpoint. Sponsors would have a much better chance of winning.

What affiliates can do is sue the SPONSORS for breach of agreement. If a signup comes from YOUR link YOU are entitled to the commission. If the sponsor is aware of an adware problem within their own program, they have been provided with proof of codes being overwritten and they do nothing about it... hit them where it hurts most and like someone else said, make an example out of them.

For sponsors just saying that you don't allow this type of advertising or affiliates who promote malware downloads on their sites simply isn't enough. Put it in clear and simple terms in your TOS and what the consequences are and STICK TO YOUR OWN WORDS.

If you're afraid of terminating a "super adware affiliate", don't be. It's because you don't understand how it works. An affiliate that gives you 100 signups per day via adware/spyware isn't adding any new sales to your program. Some of these signups could have been from your own SE listings or advertising that shouldn't have been commissionable in the first place. Chances are that you would have had these 100 sales anyway and you would have had to pay LESS in commissions. Now take into consideration all the surfers who got annoyed with all the extra popups or illegal downloads and just closed your site and you just lost even more money.

As long as the money keeps flowing in for adware/spyware companies, they're not going to stop. What you'll see is even more of them popping up. Many have changed their names several times, changed the name of their adware programs, etc., but they didn't go away.

I have links to adware removal tools on all my adult and mainstream sites. Yes many of them delete cookies. But I'd much rather lose a sale to a sponsor because my surfer removed malware from his computers along with all cookies than lose a sale to someone who used adware to steal from me! Next time that surfer visits your site, he might be scum free and you'll get the next sale. But if you do nothing and let him infect and reinfect himself time and time again, you'll probably never see a dime from him.

All those of you who help spreading these apps on surfers' computers by getting a few cents per installs you all deserve to be shot! And all those of you who pay these companies to advertise and steal sales from others you all deserve to be shot too.

This isn't competition, it's called THEFT!

Missie

check the thread i made
maybe you can help out
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=708087

buuuuuuuuump

Would like to see some response from CCBill about that.
Corvette ?

look for my thread about missing sales. Their reasoning is "spring break" yeah that's why my traffic has doubled but ratios sunk like rocks....

IMO, spyware is the biggest threat to affiliates more so than anything else.

Like the orginal post stated, the sponsors still make their money, it's the affiliate that gets fucked.

We need a group of people to work on this 24/7. At very least the trojans should be identified as well as the sites using them. We try to work with all the major antivirus companies to include fixes for these trojans in their next update. We educate ourselves as much as possible. We only trade / buy from people we know or people that are reputable.

We need to put pressure on affiliate programs to do something about this. It really shouldn't be that hard. These affiliate accounts should be over written within a matter of seconds of your affiliate code being set.

For example. my page loads, my cookie is set, you have this trojan on your PC, it detects my affiliate program, and over writes my code, all in a matter of seconds. Now the affiliate company has all the data. They know your ip was set for my affiliate account and they know that "x" seconds later your ip was set again to another affiliate account. If two affiliate codes are set within say 5 mins from the same ip, the second account being set should be flagged. If it gets "x" amount of flags then the affiliate company needs to look into. This should be pretty easy to set up, if they see account "XYZ" is setting a cookie less than 5 mins after someone else 90% of the time than they know there is a serious problem with that account. I would have to think that a surfer clicking your account, than clicking someone else's account with in minutes would only happen a low percentage of the the time.

The trojan fucks can't beat this, if they wait too long to overwrite your cookie then they risk that person signing up through your account before they set theirs. So they have to do it pretty quick, in most cases i bet it happens in a matter of a couple seconds. I am suggesting 5 mins as an example, it could be reduced to shorter period of time.

The part i mentioned above about forming a group is critical. Unless someone is getting paid full time to do the work on behalf, we will never accomplish anything. We are all busy and have things to deal with, it will just be a lose collection of people trying to give an hour here or an hour there. That isn't going to cut it. How about a group with monthly fees of say $50 per person, and $500 per an affiliate company. (EXAMPLES) We hire someone who is very well qualified in spyware to work on this full time. The more people anti up and step up to the plate the more resources we can obtain.

I agree but some of the biggest sponsors out there don't give a flying fuck about these issues :321GFY AFF/CAMS - SEX SEARCH :321GFY

BTW, it is an Affiliate problem, but a sponsor can provide the solution. If you guys do nothing you still make the sale, we don't. It is a major problem for us. In the long run it will hurt you too though but to a lot of affiliate owners the " long run " is considered next week.

If affiliates start losing more and more money, their advertising will be less profitable to the point they lose money advertising, so they die out. Less affiliates generating traffic, less people for the trojans to steal from. Overall sales go down. Not to mention the type ins and the sponsors on advertising that they are geting screwed on too.

yeap and in more cases then people realize the " thugs" are among us.

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Programs that allow spyware traffic are not to be trusted.

I want to say that I have a great desire to fight any type of cheating/spamming/fucking/trojan downloading/shit doing etc.
I wish I had a way to fight it.

you do, if nothing else help expose the companies that support it.


Why can't we form a group, say the " anti spyware coalition ". Why can't affiliates donate $50 a month to this and sponsors donate $500 a month.

If just 100 affiliates anti up and just 10 sponsors that is $10,000 a month. apoint a board, hire a couple full time well qualified anti spyware people to start working on this. 10K a month should hire a couple really qualified people.

the more people who join the group the lower we can reduce the fees. $50 x 100 is the same as 1000 x $5 so fees could be lowered as more people join and/or more people could be hired to work on it.

If you make even $1,000 a month what is $50 to help fight this. Sponsors, if you make millions a month what is $500 ?

Somebody spammed my holiday homes board with this shit last month.

Links to this stuff are everywhere but one in particular seems quite prominent (exclusivexxxclips.com). Below is a US University re-direct link that can be found at page one of Google after searching for Asian Cams. You can find same for many search terms.

I suggest people have a look around and begin by informing sites that are being exploited for SE traffic.


http://tig.csail.mit.edu/twiki/pub/_...exy-Asian.html


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didn't read the whole article as it's clear what it is. But how i said and how someone already replied, get some professional help to get it fixed.
I'am not a sys admin nor in anyway talented to do server and script work.

Sounds like a good idea and like a plan. I'am all for that :thumbsup

I really like your idea and i will support it with whatever i'am possible to do, count me in!!!

samp!!!!!!!!!

will76, your solution won't work because redirection takes place on dns level, surfer doesn't get a chance to visit your linking code at all to set a cookie.

I'll post more about it tonight.

I'd contribute.

Affiliates, you're probably losing out on FAR more income than these modest suggested donations.

yes in some cases but not all. I don;t have a solution off the top of my head for the spyware that redirects you to their site instead of your sponsors site.

I am not techie either, here is the idiots explanation of what happens. Trojan modifies entries on your company and tells you computer when you type in say, ifriends.com instead of you going to ifriends you go to the trojans webpage where their cookie i set, you can not tell what happened. From my understanding this is used more for collecting credit card info, than stealling affiliate sales.

I believe most cases of trojans targetting affiliate programs is over writting affiliate cookies which the solution i mentioned will help for those cases but not when the trojan redirect the surfer to another site from the get go.

I assume this is what most are referring to (warning do not download/install the codec) http://free3xmovies.com/movies/hardc...e1.php?id=1230 I've been running across this a ton lately. The codec link looks like some affiliate link to axmediasoft.com which is related to aximageobject.com in the whois, both go to forbidden pages. Anyone wanna download the file on a corrupted pc and see what it does, I can't seem to find where the affiliate program originates.

you will know i had the same problem on my site. and it kept coming back

dont worry about how it gets there. aslong as u know what it is, remove it, then go straight to webaire and change your password the minuite after you have removed the bug

if you need any help further, hit me up on icq.

count me in. :thumbsup

I also like this idea count me in as well!

thanks for the info!!

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