Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 12049992)

Fake things have been around for a long time. This is fucking genious :1orglaugh (Bad for us). Someone came up with one "CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD FREE PORN" link and now it's news? This is like placing an image of an X'ed out jpeg (load failure) on your page or a series of them for that matter and popping up a windw stating that they need a special program to view the photos of Jessica Simpson fucking a well hung donkey in Juarez drunk.

Some morons will fall for it, some won't. That's life. The net is still like the Wild fucking West. Untill we all get together and Deputize someone, something, some entity or unionize in a sense, the thugs will continue to ride through town whenever they want, and rape our women steal our food from our kids and bend us over and do us dry & hard. Not to mention giving us honest, hard working webmasters a bad name. :2 cents:

Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 12050138)

I have several customers that pay me to reformat their computers MONTHLY because they can't stay away from the porno. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Zester (Post 12054207)

I want to say that I have a great desire to fight any type of cheating/spamming/fucking/trojan downloading/shit doing etc.
I wish I had a way to fight it.

Originally Posted by tehHinjew (Post 12053034)

check the thread i made
maybe you can help out
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=708087

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12054104)

IMO, spyware is the biggest threat to affiliates more so than anything else.

Like the orginal post stated, the sponsors still make their money, it's the affiliate that gets fucked.

We need a group of people to work on this 24/7. At very least the trojans should be identified as well as the sites using them. We try to work with all the major antivirus companies to include fixes for these trojans in their next update. We educate ourselves as much as possible. We only trade / buy from people we know or people that are reputable.

We need to put pressure on affiliate programs to do something about this. It really shouldn't be that hard. These affiliate accounts should be over written within a matter of seconds of your affiliate code being set.

For example. my page loads, my cookie is set, you have this trojan on your PC, it detects my affiliate program, and over writes my code, all in a matter of seconds. Now the affiliate company has all the data. They know your ip was set for my affiliate account and they know that "x" seconds later your ip was set again to another affiliate account. If two affiliate codes are set within say 5 mins from the same ip, the second account being set should be flagged. If it gets "x" amount of flags then the affiliate company needs to look into. This should be pretty easy to set up, if they see account "XYZ" is setting a cookie less than 5 mins after someone else 90% of the time than they know there is a serious problem with that account. I would have to think that a surfer clicking your account, than clicking someone else's account with in minutes would only happen a low percentage of the the time.

The trojan fucks can't beat this, if they wait too long to overwrite your cookie then they risk that person signing up through your account before they set theirs. So they have to do it pretty quick, in most cases i bet it happens in a matter of a couple seconds. I am suggesting 5 mins as an example, it could be reduced to shorter period of time.

The part i mentioned above about forming a group is critical. Unless someone is getting paid full time to do the work on behalf, we will never accomplish anything. We are all busy and have things to deal with, it will just be a lose collection of people trying to give an hour here or an hour there. That isn't going to cut it. How about a group with monthly fees of say $50 per person, and $500 per an affiliate company. (EXAMPLES) We hire someone who is very well qualified in spyware to work on this full time. The more people anti up and step up to the plate the more resources we can obtain.

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12054228)

you do, if nothing else help expose the companies that support it.


Why can't we form a group, say the " anti spyware coalition ". Why can't affiliates donate $50 a month to this and sponsors donate $500 a month.

If just 100 affiliates anti up and just 10 sponsors that is $10,000 a month. apoint a board, hire a couple full time well qualified anti spyware people to start working on this. 10K a month should hire a couple really qualified people.

the more people who join the group the lower we can reduce the fees. $50 x 100 is the same as 1000 x $5 so fees could be lowered as more people join and/or more people could be hired to work on it.

If you make even $1,000 a month what is $50 to help fight this. Sponsors, if you make millions a month what is $500 ?

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12054228)

Why can't we form a group, say the " anti spyware coalition ". Why can't affiliates donate $50 a month to this and sponsors donate $500 a month.

If just 100 affiliates anti up and just 10 sponsors that is $10,000 a month. apoint a board, hire a couple full time well qualified anti spyware people to start working on this. 10K a month should hire a couple really qualified people.

the more people who join the group the lower we can reduce the fees. $50 x 100 is the same as 1000 x $5 so fees could be lowered as more people join and/or more people could be hired to work on it.

If you make even $1,000 a month what is $50 to help fight this. Sponsors, if you make millions a month what is $500 ?

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 12054585)

will76, your solution won't work because redirection takes place on dns level, surfer doesn't get a chance to visit your linking code at all to set a cookie.

I'll post more about it tonight.

Originally Posted by tehHinjew (Post 12052549)

i have spyware on my damn site, not my my galleries!
as soon as you go to the site probably once a week, there is a pop up
i have to go to the index and remove the iframe
i have no idea how it gets there

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12054228)

you do, if nothing else help expose the companies that support it.


Why can't we form a group, say the " anti spyware coalition ". Why can't affiliates donate $50 a month to this and sponsors donate $500 a month.

If just 100 affiliates anti up and just 10 sponsors that is $10,000 a month. apoint a board, hire a couple full time well qualified anti spyware people to start working on this. 10K a month should hire a couple really qualified people.

the more people who join the group the lower we can reduce the fees. $50 x 100 is the same as 1000 x $5 so fees could be lowered as more people join and/or more people could be hired to work on it.

If you make even $1,000 a month what is $50 to help fight this. Sponsors, if you make millions a month what is $500 ?

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12054228)

you do, if nothing else help expose the companies that support it.


Why can't we form a group, say the " anti spyware coalition ". Why can't affiliates donate $50 a month to this and sponsors donate $500 a month.

If just 100 affiliates anti up and just 10 sponsors that is $10,000 a month. apoint a board, hire a couple full time well qualified anti spyware people to start working on this. 10K a month should hire a couple really qualified people.

the more people who join the group the lower we can reduce the fees. $50 x 100 is the same as 1000 x $5 so fees could be lowered as more people join and/or more people could be hired to work on it.

If you make even $1,000 a month what is $50 to help fight this. Sponsors, if you make millions a month what is $500 ?

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12054228)

you do, if nothing else help expose the companies that support it.


Why can't we form a group, say the " anti spyware coalition ". Why can't affiliates donate $50 a month to this and sponsors donate $500 a month.

If just 100 affiliates anti up and just 10 sponsors that is $10,000 a month. apoint a board, hire a couple full time well qualified anti spyware people to start working on this. 10K a month should hire a couple really qualified people.

the more people who join the group the lower we can reduce the fees. $50 x 100 is the same as 1000 x $5 so fees could be lowered as more people join and/or more people could be hired to work on it.

If you make even $1,000 a month what is $50 to help fight this. Sponsors, if you make millions a month what is $500 ?

Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 12050138)

I have several customers that pay me to reformat their computers MONTHLY because they can't stay away from the porno. :1orglaugh

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12054228)

you do, if nothing else help expose the companies that support it.


Why can't we form a group, say the " anti spyware coalition ". Why can't affiliates donate $50 a month to this and sponsors donate $500 a month.

If just 100 affiliates anti up and just 10 sponsors that is $10,000 a month. apoint a board, hire a couple full time well qualified anti spyware people to start working on this. 10K a month should hire a couple really qualified people.

the more people who join the group the lower we can reduce the fees. $50 x 100 is the same as 1000 x $5 so fees could be lowered as more people join and/or more people could be hired to work on it.

If you make even $1,000 a month what is $50 to help fight this. Sponsors, if you make millions a month what is $500 ?

Originally Posted by Lanceman (Post 12056433)

Bottom fucking line is whos in on this?

This is the best motherfucking Idea I have ever heard of!

PERIOD!

These attacks will always change as do terrorists attacks cuase thats what they are lets stop putting down the sponsors and lets all work as a fucking team to rid the net of this shit!

:2 cents:

Originally Posted by Naja-ram (Post 12049974)

the problem with you guys is that you can't handle competition

Originally Posted by Gaybucks (Post 12056455)

I think that Will76 has made an excellent suggestion, and it should not be difficult to get a number of sponsors and affiliates on board.

I would suggest that the group be named something more broad than "anti-spyware" though, as I think that the group of business owners working together to fight spyware might also want to fight other unethical practices (shaving and perhaps spamming comes to mind offhand.) Perhaps it could be the springboard for a "best practices" thing that could be a benchmark that could be beneficial toward keeping both sponsors and affiliates profitable and successful.

We would be interested and might be able to contribute some programming resources as well as some money to the project.

Originally Posted by Lanceman (Post 12056456)

Let me be the first one to try and start a new thread on this Anti Spyware Coalition.

Anyone interested please post on it with contact info.....From there I would have to say its up to us(REAL WEBMASTERS) not people who want to post about the movie they saw last night becuase they have no life!
But serious fuckin people interested in making money!!!!!!!!!!

LETS ALL BEAT THIS CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup

Originally Posted by lazycash (Post 12055263)

I assume this is what most are referring to (warning do not download/install the codec) http://free3xmovies.com/movies/hardc...e1.php?id=1230 I've been running across this a ton lately. The codec link looks like some affiliate link to axmediasoft.com which is related to aximageobject.com in the whois, both go to forbidden pages. Anyone wanna download the file on a corrupted pc and see what it does, I can't seem to find where the affiliate program originates.

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 12056739)

Here's an update on this and some clarifications

I became aware of this spyware activity about a week ago when the computer of a very experienced friend of mine was affected by it. It happened through the fake codec update RawAlex posted earlier. Since he is a tech guy he noticed the hijacking instantly. He analyzed all registry changes and outgoing connections and also started contacting the aff.programs he is using and at that point seem to be affected.

Before coming on forums and posting half-info of what could possible be going on we decided to further research it first to avoid making false claims and accusations. Soon we realized the size of this issue and specially after talking with directors of few aff.programs. There's an already growing number of infected computers that frequently visit adult sites and it ranks in several millions. So, 3 days ago I let an experienced webmaster know of this issue and pretty much start letting know the adult webmasters community of what is going on. All those numbers mentioned in his initial post are personal estimations I had after getting in touch with various affected parties. If you had told me 10 days ago these numbers I wouldn't believe them, but now I can pretty much assure you they are realistic and they'll get even higher within the next few months.

Some important things:

a) There's minimal descrimination on what kind of paysites they are getting targetted. The initial post states: "CCBill is according to my source aware of it and seems to be the sponsor hardest hit". This was wrong interpretation of my words. When I found out the size of the problem I notified ccbill about it and provided them with some technical info and a sample source of infection. I did that for the simple reason it's the processor I know better and I can take their word they'll seriously check it out. At this point all cases I'm aware of have to do with aff.programs paying out with Epassporte. This for the simple reason such illegal activities are usually keen to anonymous payment methods.

b) As stated before the whole hijacking takes place on dns level therefore making things extremely harder. Aside paysites any domain can be target of this activity. For example user visits ebay.com and technically he could get a phishing site instead. I haven't seen with my own eyes the hijacking method that Wil described,but I'm sure it happens. Just I want to point out this isn't so popular at the moment (unless we are taking about adware) and not directly related with this growing issue mentioned in this thread. If you read reports of security analysts on this case you'll see they characterize it as organized crime. This is due to the intelligence and available resources it has. I cannot confirm it 100% yet, but it appears the whole spyware creation takes place on server level on-demand. Meaning the software used is so sophisticated now it generates unique instances of the same spyware for each visitor or at least extremely frequently. This makes its detection tremendously hard.

c) Another reason I didn't brought this on forums myself is for the simple fact I don't like to appear as fake-anti-spyware cruisader with actual intentions a low-level marketing scheme. I find it pretty lame that each aff.program "has to take" a public position if they support spyware or not. From what I remember we never bothered even making a post about it before. Spyware is stealing. Period. If it's not obvious to some affiliate of us we do not support stealing I can tell him he has poor criteria on picking business associates.

d) Suggested Solutions. I'll let you guys propose those, I already said my thoughts on this before and is similar to what Wil suggests. Just something to point out for being more effective in shorter timeframe is to at least attempt to seek a legal solution in the beginning. This is a truly criminal activity that is straight related with anyone operating a website/business on-line and everyone surfing the web.

If you have any technical info you think they can help please email them to me at [email protected]

thanks

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 12056739)

Here's an update on this and some clarifications

I became aware of this spyware activity about a week ago when the computer of a very experienced friend of mine was affected by it. It happened through the fake codec update RawAlex posted earlier. Since he is a tech guy he noticed the hijacking instantly. He analyzed all registry changes and outgoing connections and also started contacting the aff.programs he is using and at that point seem to be affected.

Before coming on forums and posting half-info of what could possible be going on we decided to further research it first to avoid making false claims and accusations. Soon we realized the size of this issue and specially after talking with directors of few aff.programs. There's an already growing number of infected computers that frequently visit adult sites and it ranks in several millions. So, 3 days ago I let an experienced webmaster know of this issue and pretty much start letting know the adult webmasters community of what is going on. All those numbers mentioned in his initial post are personal estimations I had after getting in touch with various affected parties. If you had told me 10 days ago these numbers I wouldn't believe them, but now I can pretty much assure you they are realistic and they'll get even higher within the next few months.

Some important things:

a) There's minimal descrimination on what kind of paysites they are getting targetted. The initial post states: "CCBill is according to my source aware of it and seems to be the sponsor hardest hit". This was wrong interpretation of my words. When I found out the size of the problem I notified ccbill about it and provided them with some technical info and a sample source of infection. I did that for the simple reason it's the processor I know better and I can take their word they'll seriously check it out. At this point all cases I'm aware of have to do with aff.programs paying out with Epassporte. This for the simple reason such illegal activities are usually keen to anonymous payment methods.

b) As stated before the whole hijacking takes place on dns level therefore making things extremely harder. Aside paysites any domain can be target of this activity. For example user visits ebay.com and technically he could get a phishing site instead. I haven't seen with my own eyes the hijacking method that Wil described,but I'm sure it happens. Just I want to point out this isn't so popular at the moment (unless we are taking about adware) and not directly related with this growing issue mentioned in this thread. If you read reports of security analysts on this case you'll see they characterize it as organized crime. This is due to the intelligence and available resources it has. I cannot confirm it 100% yet, but it appears the whole spyware creation takes place on server level on-demand. Meaning the software used is so sophisticated now it generates unique instances of the same spyware for each visitor or at least extremely frequently. This makes its detection tremendously hard.

c) Another reason I didn't brought this on forums myself is for the simple fact I don't like to appear as fake-anti-spyware cruisader with actual intentions a low-level marketing scheme. I find it pretty lame that each aff.program "has to take" a public position if they support spyware or not. From what I remember we never bothered even making a post about it before. Spyware is stealing. Period. If it's not obvious to some affiliate of us we do not support stealing I can tell him he has poor criteria on picking business associates.

d) Suggested Solutions. I'll let you guys propose those, I already said my thoughts on this before and is similar to what Wil suggests. Just something to point out for being more effective in shorter timeframe is to at least attempt to seek a legal solution in the beginning. This is a truly criminal activity that is straight related with anyone operating a website/business on-line and everyone surfing the web.

If you have any technical info you think they can help please email them to me at [email protected]

thanks

Originally Posted by Soul_Rebel (Post 12056945)

yes true, but I would wait a bit more to see how certain organizations will act before saying we can't be effective on legal level. It's incredible, but even google itself is getting targetted:

http://www.addtrades.com/screens/assisass1.jpg

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR (Post 12057286)

let's keep this shit alive ladies. I doubt any programs that could make a difference even give a shit though....

Originally Posted by will76 (Post 12057402)

We only need a few sponsors to get this going.... i think once it is started the rest will follow suit. None of them will want to have the appearance of not supporting an issue like this, well unless they are involved in spyware and they just don't give a fuck. I don't see that being the case with that many of them.

This thread will get a couple.. hundred bumps from me easy, so it should stay a live for while.

Originally Posted by SPeRMiNaToR (Post 12057473)

Yeah no one will want to be shown as not supporting the fight but even if they make a statement how would anyone know if they're actually doing anything about it other than by canning individual accounts? For all we know the spammer/scammer could have dozens of "backup" accounts under dozens of names.

Originally Posted by escorpio (Post 12059185)

*bump*
this shit is killing me :(
my sales are in the fucking trashcan
ratios so bad it's hard to believe

Originally Posted by Lanceman (Post 12059216)

You and everyone else:(

Its a hard pill to swallow that sponsors are the ones who are
Profiting from this

I have started a thread "Anti Spyware Coilation Sign Up"

It is in the works at this point if

1.We as webmasters get organized with it
2.If enough people beleive
3.If sponsors want to play ball
4.We should all benifit greatly by this.

Please see thread...............:thumbsup