There is no such thing as true "FREEDOM" surely you are not claiming there is? I tell you what I am more "FREE" than most of the people on this planet and thats good enough for me. I live in relative peace, and my children and grand children will. I WILL fight to keep this country safe, strong, powerful and secure.
You and I have different moral ideals certainly but to merely dismiss me as a mindless moron would be a mistake many of our enemies have made over the years.
You cannot deny that in only 230 years we have risen to become the most powerful nation this world has not seen since the Roman Empire, there is a REASON for that. Why isnt Canada a superpower like the USA?

Trust me I now that Dubya does not represent the entire country.....God help us if you all argreed with him.

well i say communist because I remember a thread you started saying how there were protesters outside your window and how you wish they would fuck off, that to me is communism by not letting any other side oppose

Also you said how some americans should be taken out on the streets and shot like dogs.

that to me is a similar style used by hitler and stalin.

but you may be right just by being extreme, but it seems you are up for attacking your own people for the rightoues good in the long run.

am i right in saying that?

a threat to you?
I already said that part.
But let me reply with something new.

And respong with what happened in WW1
The heir to the asburgi throne was killed, and the austian govenrment wasnt allowed to send their investivative forces to investigate in sarajevo.
Austria declared war. Russia was an ally to serbia, and interfered. Germany then declared war on russia, being austria's ally. And blah blah blah
point is: You are the occupying forces. every nation has the right of supremacy in their country. YOu are occupying. they have the right to get rid of you.

I hate extreme liberalism, it is creeping in from other countries around the world and weakening my country from the inside. Dont get me wrong I dont mind porn, homosexuality, etc people should have certain freedoms but I dont want my country to end up weak and irrelevant like Denmark, France or Canada.
No offense to those countries but if the USA would suddenly become as weak os those nations we would be attacked on our homeland by someone pretty quickly.
Its not communism in the least it is more like fascist if you wanted to get technical.

America is not an empire, first point.
second and most depressing point is: America won the world wars because it always entered when the war was almost over. meaning you found everyone, allies and enemies, weakened by the years of war, and you enter fresh.
third point: if you didnt know, americans are just a mixture of european cultures, so you cant be proud of your history.

Canada isnt a 'superpower' as you define it, because it didnt interfere, and stayed there in peace.

OMG, i cant believe someone thinks hitler and stalin were of the same alignment:
Stalin = communist (revolutionary) = extreme left
Hitler = nazist (reactionary) = extreme right

I wonder what the hell you guys are thought in school. basic history people

You dumbass how does a suicide bomber blowing up other Iraqis constitute fighting an occupying power. You are sick, most of these muslim extremists are flat out murderers with no cares of who they kill or maim even their own people.
Fine if they attack us I have no problem with that we have killed MANY more of them than they could ever hope to kill of us, but when you start saying American forces are killing innocent women and children and that all Iraqis are just fighting to stop the "occupation" you really look like the dumb ass you are.

Yeah ok keep telling yourself that while you do our bidding, you and your countrymen are nothing but our bitches. We walk all over your ass anytime we wish and not a damn thing the "world" can do about it. :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

and you arent an extremist? mr. puppet?
So you are proud of having killed civilians?

I look like a dumb ass now?
youre the one who contraddicted himself 4 times already in a single discussion.

Moreover... i see you have absolutely no knowledge of law. go read your constitution at least.

Well it's mainly the media factor. Both had similar views when it came to life (totally disposable) with Stalin winning that battle, he had a few more notches on his belt when it came to mass murder. It?s no doubt that both would gain such parallels, regardless of their beliefs.

Okay, let me divide it into points again so you can understand:
1.) Italy called the tropps back, and now we dont have anything to do with it.
2.) If you need a definition of empire, and its differences with the imperialistic politics of your country, just say so. if youre too ashamed to ask in public, send me an email. i'll make it simple and i wont tell anyone.
3.) So you declare that you consider yourself, as a part of your contry, to be superior to all other countries, and that you rule over everything?
4.) I doubt your USA will attack italy. You'd get YOUR ass kicked by the whole united europe, not to mention the guys that made you piss in your pants with the cuban missile crisis, russia.

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ill show you basic=, both hilter and stlain kiled their own people for the future long term goals of their country, which is what i am comparing splums views too. now stfu moron, they may be different protocals, but they have both have very similar charachteristics.

ok now you can stfu, u know nothing about anything.

got nothing else to say other hiding your emabarassment over laughing smileys?

defending?

who was i defending?

questioning the reasoning of your argument is not the same as defending someone else.

jesus.

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okay..well then how about..learn to read..your arguments were not even close to being on point

Hitler killed his own people?
He didnt consider them his own people, he was only interested in his aryan race.
Anyone not belogning to that class, wasnt one of his people.

Stalin did it for the long term goal, which in the end was never achieved.


You did not show basic as you hoped

...give peace a chanse... :)

he wouldnt listen if i talked to him about reality. he replied with a "america will step over your ass. you and your country men are bitches. blah blah, whine whine"
If i didnt scare him, he wouldntve shut his ass up.

I know no one will attack each other. follow the argument and try see my point before talking =)

nope nope
till he admits hes wrong
or before i go sleep cause its only 6 hours till i have to wake up and go work again =)

Scare me lol, you are delusional sig whore. Congrats on 500 posts!
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Thanks
now if you are speechless and dont know what to say anymore on the topic i'll go sleep, work awaits

What the fuck do any of you guys know about Iran anyway? Absolutely nothing, so shut your fucking mouth and ask yourself why even the possibility that Iran will be bombed has surfaced.

read the topic and shush.
You'll find out youre pretty out...

he didnt consider them his own, but they were is own idiot.

how on earth do you think i got an A on my history final exam?

i suggest you stop using wikipedia to get your ideoly information.

Canada Is The "Best", Israel Is the "Worst" In Worldwide Poll


BTW, just to educate you a bit, after the Roman Empire, there was the British Empire ... and the French Empire just before ... I would also consider Spain, Portugal, Holland as important players, having their influence in many parts of the world.

Now, continue waving the gflag .. its keeps the flies away....

I did, after that I read the post and after that I made my reply. What ae you insinuating?

Firstly, you are right, there is no absolute freedom. Our governments have enacted laws that restrict us from certain actions in order to protect the other citizens. For example; my right to punch you in the face stops at your nose.

But it is not this freedom that I am referring to. I am talking about our freedom to choose our own destiny both as individuals and as countries. Democracy was born out of the idea that government should be chosen by the people to represent the people. In the case of the US, democracy has clearly evolved into something much different than what your forefathers intended. We have a responsibility as citizens to ensure that the governments that we elect exercise their power properly without stepping over the boundaries. What you see in the US right now is exactly that...the Bush administration has taken away your freedoms and liberties to fight the war on terror. I cannot believe that you would fight and risk your life to protect a country that repays you with lies and deception. Are you willing to eat anything that is fed to you? Do you believe the garbage that they tell you? Not only do you bite down on the small piece of shit - disguised as a legitimate reason - they have given you, you thank the hand that feeds you and ask for another. “But not today” they tell you...tune in tomorrow, same bat time same bat place...and maybe, just maybe you'll get a bigger piece of shit then. Why do you insist on supporting a government that is more concerned with having enough gas to fuel your SUVs than saving and helping the people who need it...even within your own boarders (Hurricane Katrina victims)?

Trust me when I tell you that I do not dismiss you as a moron. If I did I wouldn't be dignifying your comments with a response. I just think that you are misguided and your priorities are not in check. You say that you want to fight so your kids and grand kids are safe. But what are they really safe from? You are facilitating the American way of life to be flushed down the toilet...only to be replaced with a culture of fear, hatred and deception that you are helping to create. Is that really what you want to leave for your kids? Soon more people will hate the American way of life than envy it because Bush continues to wage wars on countries and kill innocent people for no justifiable reason. As far as your enemies making mistakes about you and underestimating you; are you kidding? Remember Vietnam? Or even the wars you are fighting right now? The first gulf war waged on much longer than was originally anticipated and only half the job was done. I think it is you who overestimate the American knowledge and power and underestimate the powers of other nations. Just because you have guns and ammo does not mean you are going to win even a battle, much less a war.

People need to understand that the masses have the power, not our governments. If even half or a quarter of the US population marched on the White House you could topple your government in a day. But you choose not to because currently you have oil and relative freedom, but some day that is going to change. And then what are you left with?

Canada is not a superpower for the same reason China will become the next superpower…because of the numbers.

With respect to your comparing America to the Roman Empire; it is an interesting choice of comparisons considering the Romans walked through countries and claimed them as their own peacefully or otherwise. I think you hit the nail on the head because that’s exactly what it looks like Bush is doing at present. Installing pro western leaders in volatile countries to protect the US interest in the area (read to protect the oil supply).

I don’t want people to think that I hate America or Americans or the American way of life because I don’t. I just don’t understand people who fight tooth and nail to support a Leader and an administration that has lied, cheated, and deceived their people. It is not right anywhere and certainly does not resemble freedom or democracy. If that same thing were to happen in Canada you better believe I would be doing everything in my power to stop it.

First of all Brad we are not a true "Democracy", on the technical side we are a Federal Constitutional Republic. We have always been a Republic, yes we have democratic principles and rules but never in the USA history have we been a Direct Democracy.


There are LAWS made every year by all parties(not just the Bush administration) in this government that technically affect our liberty and freedom. Those LAWS are made to protect us as citizens from enemies abroad and at home and every single "free country" has laws, most MUCH more restrictive than the United States laws.

Again you are tunnel visioned on the Bush administration and I tell you that is not the way the United States works. The Bush administration will be gone one day and the United States will still be an imperialistic empire. Who you going to blame then? Could it possibly be that the WILL OF THE UNITED STATES people is being implemented more often than not? The policies of the United States government are the policies of MOST of the United States people no matter what you read, the votes by voters are what count not the news propaganda stories.

First of all this country has given more humanitarian aid home and abroad than all countries combined on the face of this earth. If you doubt the power of the American people to help those downtrodden in times of need you obviously dont know very much about the United States. It is not the governments fault those poor people lived 20 feet below sea level knowing full well a category 3+ hurricane would destroy all they own. The government didnt FORCE them to live there.

Bush didnt create the "culture of fear" as you so call it lol, I dont live in fear each day I dont know any of my friends that do either. Most people in America are more worried about the next American Idol or where they will eat lunch than terrorism. The average American truly feels secure in the United States from terrorists. Millions leave their insecure countries and come to live in the United States each year to pursue happiness.



You are a victim of propaganda and I am sorry that you are because you sound very intelligent. You do realize that Saddam Hussein violated 19 UN resolutions and a cease fire agreement over a period of 12 years dont you? You do realize that most of the middle east has hated the United States LONG before our involvement over there dont you? You say "innocent people" as if we are going around slaughtering truly innocent people, I would like to see you justify that statement. Most of the killing that is taking place is muslim extremists against normal muslims, NOT US troops vs innocent muslims. I resent the fact that you think otherwise and it says alot about your character that you believe US troops are there just to kill innocent people and so we can have gas for our SUVs. If you think its that simplistic and that barbaric I say to you "GO FUCK YOURSELF" seriously.

We tell you to bring it on if you feel that is what you must do because we are doing what WE FEEL WE MUST DO. It could be a Clinton a Bush or an Obama and it wont matter the US will continue to trying to dominate the world as we have since World War II.

That statement doesnt make sense to me but whatever if you think China's communist ways will spread throughout the world I think you are going to be in for a rude awakening. The United States controls much of the world via economic, political or military strength and you know it.

Its exactly what we are doing, as well as fighting a proxy war over there versus any muslim extremist who would like to step into Iraq to be killed.

You do in your heart you just are in denial.

Oh really? You are currently fighting in Afghanistan killing innocent muslims there right? Same analogy you used with Iraq. What is your "justification" for fighting in Afghanistan?

When all else fails bomb em

Al Qaeda = sunni, iran = Shiite.

He also said Hezbollah.
Hezbollah = Shiite

Interesting that that was the title of Richard Clarke's book.

I'm aware.

splum is clearly a fascist, at least the way he acts one here. Sad thing is I dont think its an act, and there are more people like him walking on this earth. As long as there are people with his mindset, there will always be war.

He thinks exactly the same as muslim extremists.

Re-read my original post.

Iran itself will not do it. For all of its shortcomings, Iran is a state, and all states have some accountability.

Independent fly by night terrorist organizations do not. That is the danger.

Al Qaeda certainly had the delivery method on 9-11.

For all of the gobs of money Canadian pornographers love to suck out of the USA, you'd think they could show our country just a little friendship/ loyalty.

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"or Hezbollah."