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Lane · 08-07-2002, 02:26 PM

i just caught a trojan in my machine.. it got my attention because zonealarm kept shutting down.. i checked the task manager and there was process called: kernel32.dlI
some programs couldnt connect to internet either, i thought it was a winXP fuckup. i killed the process and it went back to normal.. i checked the file and it turned out to be a trojan..

it could just turn off my firewall that easy.. zonealarm, piece of shit..

grr.. i hope there is no damage on the system..

Amputate Your Head · 08-07-2002, 02:27 PM

fuck that silly stupid software firewall bullshit man.... get HARDWARE.

boldy · 08-07-2002, 02:27 PM

http://www.astaro.com

kosmic · 08-07-2002, 02:28 PM

fucking hackers are smart as shit. Have you ever tried black ice?

DeutschHercules · 08-07-2002, 02:29 PM

How did you get a condom caught in your firewall in the first place!??

Amputate Your Head · 08-07-2002, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kosmic
fucking hackers are smart as shit. Have you ever tried black ice?

BlackIce Defender is even more of a piece of shit than ZoneAlarm.... at least ZoneAlarm works somewhat.... BlackIce is totally worthless.

Rory · 08-07-2002, 02:30 PM

Software firewalls are useless. Go out and buy a cheap ass router with NAT and you wont even have to look at that spam ZoneAlarm banner when you boot up cause everyone knows you didnt upgrade it

Rory

Fletch XXX · 08-07-2002, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

BlackIce Defender is even more of a piece of shit than ZoneAlarm.... at least ZoneAlarm works somewhat.... BlackIce is totally worthless.

Yup, Black Ice suffers the same Shut Down mechanism trojans.

Amputate Your Head · 08-07-2002, 02:32 PM

I can't believe in late 2002 that anyone is still using BlackIce.... might as well just burn your computer and get it over with.....

bawdy · 08-07-2002, 02:37 PM

have been using a snapgear router in the office.... so much easier in the long run than zonealarm and am thinking about one for my home cable connection

http://www.snapgear.com/

mike503 · 08-07-2002, 03:22 PM

exactly. hardware is the way to go.

some virii nowadays will disable your virus scanner(s) and software firewall(s) if you execute it...

TheDr · 08-07-2002, 03:43 PM

Well here's an interesting read:

http://www.computerworld.com/securit...,73260,00.html

foe · 08-07-2002, 06:19 PM

Hardare is the way to go

Pornwolf · 08-07-2002, 06:24 PM

I have an external firewall/router combo and my computer still gets scanned repeatedly. Not quite as much as when I had nothing externally but it's still too much for my taste. Zone Alarm Pro is still a good last mile protector. Definitely upgrade to pro however you can. The 2 versions are totally different.

roseyrid · 08-07-2002, 07:02 PM

Amp, you mention hardware, what would you recommend? I have 4 computers running, and have zonealarm and norton running on all of them...What should I get to protect my computers?

mike503 · 08-07-2002, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by roseyatrid
Amp, you mention hardware, what would you recommend? I have 4 computers running, and have zonealarm and norton running on all of them...What should I get to protect my computers?

a switch or hub and a machine doing NAT, or a device to do it all. probably a device for the not-too-technically-inclined..

companies like linksys and netgear make them and are quite affordable, shouldn't be more than $150. then you just throw all your machines behind the device and instantly all inbound traffic is filtered. viola.

dodo · 08-07-2002, 07:36 PM

use zonealarm to tie up you ports - so you are not vulnerable to syn attacks and avast to scan all your processes.

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Amputate Your Head · 08-07-2002, 07:37 PM

mike said it all rosey..... good advice. Heed it. Fuck that bullshit shareware firewall crap. That's for newbs and wannabes.

HARDWARE BABY!!!!!

foe · 08-07-2002, 07:38 PM

Also get a router its what I have, almost all come wiht a built in firewall

and the linksys ones run 150.

Snazzy · 08-07-2002, 07:38 PM

I use a Linux firewall. Setup an old PII300 with RH linux and it works like a dream, never had any problems since..

Amputate Your Head · 08-07-2002, 07:38 PM

I personally use Linksys routers... but NetGear is great too.....

jimmyf · 08-07-2002, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head

BlackIce Defender is even more of a piece of shit than ZoneAlarm.... at least ZoneAlarm works somewhat.... BlackIce is totally worthless.

This is very true...

Amputate Your Head · 08-07-2002, 08:14 PM

here's the crux of it guys..... use a good solid hardware router/firewall, stop using that fucking crap you get from download.com, be smart, don't use shit like fucking Gator or Kazaa, delete Outlook Express and use a real email client, and in general..... don't be a fucking dipshit. You don't need antivirus software... I haven't used any since 1994. You need to use YOUR FUCKING BRAIN!

jimmyf · 08-07-2002, 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
I personally use Linksys routers... but NetGear is great too.....

I have a Linksys router... Thought I was safe... Got Zonealarm free version... it started poping up so I got the Pro version. So shit was getting through my router...

Amputate Your Head · 08-07-2002, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jimmyf
So shit was getting through my router...

not if you go into the admin panel and close the ports...

foe · 08-07-2002, 08:30 PM

Everything is good if used correctly

btw I would still advice on keeping an antivirus prob I get viruses almost daily

Lane · 08-07-2002, 09:12 PM

ok.. this is getting worse..

i just scanned the file with mcaffe (through hotmail) and it found the trojan, but when i do it with norton, it doest see it!

now my anti-virus software is also another piece of shit..

Amputate Your Head · 08-07-2002, 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lane
ok.. this is getting worse..

i just scanned the file with mcaffe (through hotmail) and it found the trojan, but when i do it with norton, it doest see it!

now my anti-virus software is also another piece of shit..

format c:

Lane · 08-07-2002, 09:14 PM

i did that recently... i hate re-installing everything and losing my cookies

Dreamman010 · 08-07-2002, 09:22 PM

Had it happen to me one time too. I went to sleep and left the computer on. The fucker started playing my cd-rom and then blabbing some stuff on his mic (which was heard on my speakers)
I turned it off. next day I ran Trojan Remover and it turned out to be a netbus trojan. That was around 2 years ago.

Now I have an ole' p200 with FreeBSD on it and IPFILTER_DEFAULT_BLOCK compiled into apache. The server is running in extremely high security mode and has all ports closed, and denying all sorts of packets (ICMP, etc). It is then routing the connection to my other 2 comps through a hub. Works like a charm. One thing was that it took me all day long to set it up. But now i'm enjoyin it

12:24AM up 12 days, 1:14, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

foe · 08-07-2002, 10:46 PM

Time to do it again

QGals · 08-07-2002, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
here's the crux of it guys..... use a good solid hardware router/firewall, stop using that fucking crap you get from download.com, be smart, don't use shit like fucking Gator or Kazaa, delete Outlook Express and use a real email client, and in general..... don't be a fucking dipshit. You don't need antivirus software... I haven't used any since 1994. You need to use YOUR FUCKING BRAIN!

ok i'm a dipshit using outlook. what email clients are the best?

Dreamman010 · 08-07-2002, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by QGals

ok i'm a dipshit using outlook. what email clients are the best?

mutt

08-07-2002, 02:26 PM	#1
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	firewalls are bullshit i just caught a trojan in my machine.. it got my attention because zonealarm kept shutting down.. i checked the task manager and there was process called: kernel32.dlI some programs couldnt connect to internet either, i thought it was a winXP fuckup. i killed the process and it went back to normal.. i checked the file and it turned out to be a trojan.. it could just turn off my firewall that easy.. zonealarm, piece of shit.. grr.. i hope there is no damage on the system.. __________________

08-07-2002, 02:27 PM	#2
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	fuck that silly stupid software firewall bullshit man.... get HARDWARE. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

08-07-2002, 02:27 PM	#3
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08-07-2002, 02:28 PM	#4
kosmic Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Philly Posts: 871	fucking hackers are smart as shit. Have you ever tried black ice? __________________ Ya-Mean Productions

08-07-2002, 02:29 PM	#5
DeutschHercules Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Detroit Posts: 49	How did you get a condom caught in your firewall in the first place!?? __________________ -Bob When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.

08-07-2002, 02:30 PM	#7
Rory Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: I Love Ixtapa, Mexico ö Posts: 616	Software firewalls are useless. Go out and buy a cheap ass router with NAT and you wont even have to look at that spam ZoneAlarm banner when you boot up cause everyone knows you didnt upgrade it Rory

08-07-2002, 02:32 PM	#9
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	I can't believe in late 2002 that anyone is still using BlackIce.... might as well just burn your computer and get it over with..... __________________ SIG TOO BIG

08-07-2002, 02:37 PM	#10
bawdy Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 1,424	have been using a snapgear router in the office.... so much easier in the long run than zonealarm and am thinking about one for my home cable connection http://www.snapgear.com/

08-07-2002, 03:22 PM	#11
mike503 Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: oregon. Posts: 2,243	exactly. hardware is the way to go. some virii nowadays will disable your virus scanner(s) and software firewall(s) if you execute it... __________________ php/mysql guru. hosting, coding, all that jazz.

08-07-2002, 03:43 PM	#12
TheDr Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: CO, USA Posts: 108	Well here's an interesting read: http://www.computerworld.com/securit...,73260,00.html

08-07-2002, 06:19 PM	#13
foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	Hardare is the way to go

08-07-2002, 06:24 PM	#14
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	I have an external firewall/router combo and my computer still gets scanned repeatedly. Not quite as much as when I had nothing externally but it's still too much for my taste. Zone Alarm Pro is still a good last mile protector. Definitely upgrade to pro however you can. The 2 versions are totally different.

08-07-2002, 07:02 PM	#15
roseyrid Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: LA Posts: 1,058	Amp, you mention hardware, what would you recommend? I have 4 computers running, and have zonealarm and norton running on all of them...What should I get to protect my computers?

08-07-2002, 07:36 PM	#17
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08-07-2002, 07:37 PM	#18
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	mike said it all rosey..... good advice. Heed it. Fuck that bullshit shareware firewall crap. That's for newbs and wannabes. HARDWARE BABY!!!!! __________________ SIG TOO BIG

08-07-2002, 07:38 PM	#19
foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	Also get a router its what I have, almost all come wiht a built in firewall and the linksys ones run 150.

08-07-2002, 07:38 PM	#20
Snazzy Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 480	I use a Linux firewall. Setup an old PII300 with RH linux and it works like a dream, never had any problems since.. __________________ Snazzy <font size="1"> SnazzyTGP.com Visit this site now or I'll kill you</font>

08-07-2002, 08:14 PM	#23
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	here's the crux of it guys..... use a good solid hardware router/firewall, stop using that fucking crap you get from download.com, be smart, don't use shit like fucking Gator or Kazaa, delete Outlook Express and use a real email client, and in general..... don't be a fucking dipshit. You don't need antivirus software... I haven't used any since 1994. You need to use YOUR FUCKING BRAIN! __________________ SIG TOO BIG

08-07-2002, 08:30 PM	#26
foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	Everything is good if used correctly btw I would still advice on keeping an antivirus prob I get viruses almost daily

08-07-2002, 09:12 PM	#27
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	ok.. this is getting worse.. i just scanned the file with mcaffe (through hotmail) and it found the trojan, but when i do it with norton, it doest see it! now my anti-virus software is also another piece of shit.. __________________

08-07-2002, 09:14 PM	#29
Lane Will code for food... Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Buckeye, AZ Posts: 8,496	i did that recently... i hate re-installing everything and losing my cookies __________________

08-07-2002, 09:22 PM	#30
Dreamman010 Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 1,081	Had it happen to me one time too. I went to sleep and left the computer on. The fucker started playing my cd-rom and then blabbing some stuff on his mic (which was heard on my speakers) I turned it off. next day I ran Trojan Remover and it turned out to be a netbus trojan. That was around 2 years ago. Now I have an ole' p200 with FreeBSD on it and IPFILTER_DEFAULT_BLOCK compiled into apache. The server is running in extremely high security mode and has all ports closed, and denying all sorts of packets (ICMP, etc). It is then routing the connection to my other 2 comps through a hub. Works like a charm. One thing was that it took me all day long to set it up. But now i'm enjoyin it 12:24AM up 12 days, 1:14, 1 user, load averages: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 __________________ <a href="http://www2.famoushost.com/home.php" target="_blank"><b><FONT COLOR="FFFF00">www.FamousHost.com</font></b></a><br>Free Hosting With No Headers, Real FTP, <u>Get listed on the biggest TGP's with us!</u>

08-07-2002, 10:46 PM	#31
foe Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: CT Posts: 5,246	Time to do it again