WTF!?! - Justice Department takes aim at image-sharing sites - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

RawAlex · 03-03-2007, 05:03 PM

This is quite possibly the best news in a long, long time.

Xplicit, with due respect, there is no "right to free uploads". You can upload stuff, but it should be traceable. Otherwise nutjobs and child molesters could just use the file sharing sites as an open door to share their shit.

If you don't have anything to hide, why would you care? You aren't giving up any rights except possible the right to apparently violate copyright and child porn laws.

Getting these sites to be more responsible will put a certain damper on them, and as a result, will encourage people to use more formal methods to get the video and picture content they are looking for. That will push the pay market, and at the end of the day, we are in the pay to view market.

PHP-CODER-FOR-HIRE · 03-03-2007, 05:05 PM

I think it's a good thing. Doesn't affect me much on the ISP side since I'm in Canada though.

juz · 03-03-2007, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by cyberxxx

You don't need the privacy anymore (actally you don't have it since 2001 when the government got a right to listen your phone when they need and for any reason they consider it necessary). You already live in the most free country in the World. So the government will take care of you. It's a most democratic government on the Earth so you don't have to be worried. The USSR ooops, sorry... the USA big brother is already doing all the best for your good. Just relax and let the big guys to control life.

P.S. The same was about 20 years ago in Russia (ex-USSR). Now it's your time to feel the power of the real freedom. Enjoy

Funny a Russian talking to Americans about freedom, you wouldn't know it if came up and bite you on the ass.
Hows is going with Putin abolishing all elections of regional governors? Or what about the Kremlin hand picked press corps, you know the only Russian press allowed to report on Putin first hand.

Nice having almost all your TV stations still being state run... yeah theres no propaganda going on here, tells about the fiasco with NTV... or how about
Yelena Tregubova, she kicked out of the Kremlin press pool because, she said, she would not follow official instructions. She later wrote a tell-all book that peeved the Kremlin. When Parfyonov interviewed her for NTV, the segment was yanked after it had already aired in eastern time zones. When a small bomb exploded outside her apartment door last year, Tregubova fled the country.

Seems you should be a little more concerned about your own country instead of trying to interpret what goes on over here

directfiesta · 03-03-2007, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

If you don't have anything to hide, why would you care?

typical .....

Nodtveidt · 03-03-2007, 08:14 PM

RawAlex, you have to consider the advantages versus the disadvantages. Also, consider the small amount of illegal porn compared to the huge amount of legal porn...it makes little sense to make an entire industry suffer in a (fruitless) desperate attempt to rid it of a few losers who can't play by the rules. Furthermore, look at the details of what they're trying to do...further expand the internal spy network. This leads to all kinds of problems and eventually boils down to a "your word against theirs" power struggle, and "they" are the government...what chance do you have? Zero. If even Microsoft can't stand up to the US government, what chance do any of us small fries have?

slapass · 03-03-2007, 08:38 PM

You guys are pretending that you are losing a right. You never had the right to steal photos and videos. They are simply trying to enforce laws that were always there. Very few of us webmasters "own" porn and fewer surfers. Huge monster free collections or illegal material is bad for business.

Also there are very few boards that you can post an image or video without them knowing who you are by your email. yes this can be forge etc but they have that info.

Xplicit · 03-04-2007, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

This is quite possibly the best news in a long, long time.

Xplicit, with due respect, there is no "right to free uploads". You can upload stuff, but it should be traceable. Otherwise nutjobs and child molesters could just use the file sharing sites as an open door to share their shit.

If you don't have anything to hide, why would you care? You aren't giving up any rights except possible the right to apparently violate copyright and child porn laws.

Getting these sites to be more responsible will put a certain damper on them, and as a result, will encourage people to use more formal methods to get the video and picture content they are looking for. That will push the pay market, and at the end of the day, we are in the pay to view market.

A) The government isnt about to start helping porn companies enforce copyrights, this isnt gonna help ANY OF US. Get that through your head.

B) Ive seen tons of galleries hosted on free image sites on image dumps, surfer forums, etc. Never seen any kiddy porn, not even once. I'd assume people into that shit have figured out not to use U.S. based sites for that crap - in other words, they're watching the wrong people.

C) Because of what I stated above, people uploading legitimate files will be logged by law, and those logs will be available to the government.

D) Once again the U.S. government is showing how clueless they are about the internet - laws that apply to the internet only for americans don't mean anything. As soon as these laws go into effect, you'll see all the surfer-boards announcing to use Canadian based sites to be safe.

True, none of us have anything to worry about since we're not doing anything illegal, however it comes down to what information SHOULD or SHOULNT be shared with the government. Innocent people doing legal things falls into the "shouldn't" catagory for me.

...and while theyre busy reading logs about image uploads, thousands of 13 year old girls on myspace are getting hit on by 50 year old men trying to meet them in person (see Dateline NBC).

Yeah, this is how we should spend law enforcement resources.

Get real.

TheJimmy · 03-04-2007, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by DomBuyer

That is unreal. Some of you guys think this is going to stop your images being pirated? Please. It will just reduce your privacy as a citizen and your images will go offshore, etc.

Ben said it right.... paraphrase = fuck those that don't get it...

Hello Winston ;)

EBORG9 · 03-04-2007, 02:46 AM

The last time I was in D.C., I saw a homeless guy sleeping on a ventilation grate outside of the Justice Department, right in front.
That says it all right there.

notabook · 03-04-2007, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

If you don't have anything to hide, why would you care?

Quis custodiet custodes ipsos?

And this guy had nothing to hide:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=PoYF1q68OFc

slapass · 03-04-2007, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xplicit

A)

C) Because of what I stated above, people uploading legitimate files will be logged by law, and those logs will be available to the government.

D) Once again the U.S. government is showing how clueless they are about the internet - laws that apply to the internet only for americans don't mean anything. As soon as these laws go into effect, you'll see all the surfer-boards announcing to use Canadian based sites to be safe.

There are few legitamate files to upload.

but D is true.

Xplicit · 03-04-2007, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by slapass

There are few legitamate files to upload.

but D is true.

I also run a record label as a side project (dance music/house). We recieve a ton of demos from producers looking to get their tracks signed, and very very often they send a link to rapidshare or sendspace.

Thats just in my little world, im sure theres TONS of other legitimate uses for these sites.

just a punk · 03-04-2007, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by juz

Funny a Russian talking to Americans about freedom, you wouldn't know it if came up and bite you on the ass.

Funny what??? I feel much free here than if I'd live in the States. Could you list here some things you are allowed to do in the USA, but I can't do here?

Quote:

Originally Posted by juz

Hows is going with Putin abolishing all elections of regional governors? Or what about the Kremlin hand picked press corps, you know the only Russian press allowed to report on Putin first hand.

This is just words of US propaganda but nothing else. If you'd be able to read Russian you would understand what I mean. "Kremlin hand picked press corps"

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Originally Posted by juz

Nice having almost all your TV stations still being state run... yeah theres no propaganda going on here, tells about the fiasco with NTV... or how about... bla-bla-bla

Another case of ignorance... All cable TV, satellite TV and Web TV packages available to Russians include all the alternative channels, like Euro News, CNN, FOX, BBC etc. So everyone is able to see the "other point of view". These media sources are not forbidden like in China. There is no Internet filters etc. Furthermore, the Euro News channel is being re-translated by central TV network and is available for everyone who has a TV receiver but don't have about $10 a month to pay for cable/satellite/Web television.

I even won't say a word about the opposite newsletter and Internet sites in Russian because it's even impossible to count them.

You are talking about the thinks you don't know shit about.

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Originally Posted by juz

Seems you should be a little more concerned about your own country instead of trying to interpret what goes on over here

Seems for whom? It seems for you just because you don't know the real situation in Russia.

So once more time. Which exactly rights (freedom) you have in the USA, but I don't have here? List them please, but don't tell me all the bullshit about the Russian TV, because nobody here is obliged to watch the state channels. CNN, BBC, Fox, Euro News and others are available 24/7 for any citizen. The Internet is also not filtered and you can reach ANY site even if it's VERY OPPOSITE to Moscow (e.g. kavkazcenter.com and others shit).

just a punk · 03-04-2007, 05:42 PM

2juz, I think I know the only thing which is allowed in the USA but not allowed here. You have no right to have a gun in Russia. But personally I don't think it's against our freedom, because our kids don't shoot each other in schools, there are no gangs equipped with automatic weapons and shooting the ppl. on the streets like those I watching about on CNN. So is it a really big lack of freedom in Russia? I don't think so.

As about the propaganda... C'mon don't be stupid. There is a propaganda in EVERY country including Russia, USA and EU. The Russian state propaganda is not different to the US one (remember I watching all biggest Russian, US and EU TV stations every day) - it just have a different sign. That's why it's important be able to watch the alternative TV channels from other countries. And believe me, the Russian ppl. watching it all and we can create our decision on every news depending on various points of view. I believe it is a component of freedom, when you are free to access ANY source of information even if it's not concur with the official one.

just a punk · 03-04-2007, 05:48 PM

2juz, and one more question. How many Russian channels are available for the US people in their mother language (I mean with translation)? I just listed you the US TV channels which available here. So how many alternative (foreign) news channels you have in your country? Do you make your opinion about Russia watching only the US news sources? If that's true, how can you make any statements about the other country without getting the info from there directly? Don't you think it's a bit stupid?

03-03-2007, 05:05 PM	#52
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03-03-2007, 08:14 PM	#55
Nodtveidt Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Camuy, PR Posts: 573	RawAlex, you have to consider the advantages versus the disadvantages. Also, consider the small amount of illegal porn compared to the huge amount of legal porn...it makes little sense to make an entire industry suffer in a (fruitless) desperate attempt to rid it of a few losers who can't play by the rules. Furthermore, look at the details of what they're trying to do...further expand the internal spy network. This leads to all kinds of problems and eventually boils down to a "your word against theirs" power struggle, and "they" are the government...what chance do you have? Zero. If even Microsoft can't stand up to the US government, what chance do any of us small fries have? __________________ ICQ: 11541913 Last edited by Nodtveidt; 03-03-2007 at 08:15 PM.. Reason: Minor typos

03-04-2007, 05:42 PM	#64
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,386	2juz, I think I know the only thing which is allowed in the USA but not allowed here. You have no right to have a gun in Russia. But personally I don't think it's against our freedom, because our kids don't shoot each other in schools, there are no gangs equipped with automatic weapons and shooting the ppl. on the streets like those I watching about on CNN. So is it a really big lack of freedom in Russia? I don't think so. As about the propaganda... C'mon don't be stupid. There is a propaganda in EVERY country including Russia, USA and EU. The Russian state propaganda is not different to the US one (remember I watching all biggest Russian, US and EU TV stations every day) - it just have a different sign. That's why it's important be able to watch the alternative TV channels from other countries. And believe me, the Russian ppl. watching it all and we can create our decision on every news depending on various points of view. I believe it is a component of freedom, when you are free to access ANY source of information even if it's not concur with the official one. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

03-04-2007, 05:48 PM	#65
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,386	2juz, and one more question. How many Russian channels are available for the US people in their mother language (I mean with translation)? I just listed you the US TV channels which available here. So how many alternative (foreign) news channels you have in your country? Do you make your opinion about Russia watching only the US news sources? If that's true, how can you make any statements about the other country without getting the info from there directly? Don't you think it's a bit stupid? __________________ Obey the Cowgod Last edited by just a punk; 03-04-2007 at 05:50 PM..

03-03-2007, 05:03 PM	#51
RawAlex So Fucking Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In a house. Posts: 9,465	This is quite possibly the best news in a long, long time. Xplicit, with due respect, there is no "right to free uploads". You can upload stuff, but it should be traceable. Otherwise nutjobs and child molesters could just use the file sharing sites as an open door to share their shit. If you don't have anything to hide, why would you care? You aren't giving up any rights except possible the right to apparently violate copyright and child porn laws. Getting these sites to be more responsible will put a certain damper on them, and as a result, will encourage people to use more formal methods to get the video and picture content they are looking for. That will push the pay market, and at the end of the day, we are in the pay to view market.

03-03-2007, 08:38 PM	#56
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	You guys are pretending that you are losing a right. You never had the right to steal photos and videos. They are simply trying to enforce laws that were always there. Very few of us webmasters "own" porn and fewer surfers. Huge monster free collections or illegal material is bad for business. Also there are very few boards that you can post an image or video without them knowing who you are by your email. yes this can be forge etc but they have that info.

03-04-2007, 02:46 AM	#59
EBORG9 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,823	The last time I was in D.C., I saw a homeless guy sleeping on a ventilation grate outside of the Justice Department, right in front. That says it all right there.