Calling out SEO peeps: Healthy Link Growth?

[cranki]

I read again and again that getting too many backlinks in a short period of time will get you punished through a worse ranking... So what is considered a healthy link growth?

x links / day / month ?

[beta-tester]

huh, will you realize sometime that there is nothing healthy about 'link growing'. do not worry about link growing.... focus on content and links will come themselves in very natural way and will 'healthy grow'...

[cranki]

I was thinking about link swaps and stuff...

[beta-tester]

why would you do that?

[cranki]

Originally Posted by beta-tester

why would you do that?

how would anyone let alone a search engine ever find a site if it's not linked to?

[Mr Pheer]

Originally Posted by cranki

how would anyone let alone a search engine ever find a site if it's not linked to?

google sitemaps is a start... but yes you still need some links

[Wolfy]

The amount of SEO knowledge in here can be a bit overwhelming sometimes.

I'm also interested in hearing anybody speak with any kind of positive relevance to the original question... it's an interesting subject.

[beta-tester]

there is no money in seo anyway....

[darksoul]

theres no fixed amount of links that can be considered healthy or can penalize you.
It all depends on the distribution of links.
If you get 10 PR5 links in day 1 it'll certainly raise a flag because that would
be uncommon.
If you get a few hundred worthless links in a day it will again raise a flag.
If you want to simulate natural linking you have to spread the links across different domains/PR/whatever.

[cranki]

Originally Posted by beta-tester

there is no money in seo anyway....

I'm here for conspiracy theories.

[marko13]

i think that healthy link building is 3-5 links (from sites with higher pr than yours) per day.... and do this after you let the site for one to two weeks and put some content on it... and yes sitemap is quality step too...

[Jace]

I usually try and stick with 1-2 normal links a day, and I have never seen issues with it

[e-god]

just make it look natural

[TheDoc]

You can build 1000's of backlinks a month on a active / traffic domain. The key is to not backlink spam bad neighborhoods. The more relevant the backlinks the less you need.

[baddog]

10-20 a week

[Splum]

Dont do link swaps its the quickest way to fuck your SERPs up.

[Wolfy]

Originally Posted by baddog

10-20 a week

you could be a TINY bit more vague

Originally Posted by marko13

i think that healthy link building is 3-5 links (from sites with higher pr than yours) per day.... and do this after you let the site for one to two weeks and put some content on it... and yes sitemap is quality step too...

Here's the thing, though.... This question is a hell of a lot more compplicated than a simple number.

Google doesn't re-index the entire internet every day. It's a process of crawling that takes into account a lot of factors.... like PR of the site it's crawling. You can tell google to crawl your site every day, but Google is only going to crawl your site as often as it sees fit.

I have PR1 sites that are meta tagged to be crawled daily, because they get updated daily, but they only get crawled bi-monthly or so. I also have sites that are PR6 that get crawled daily with no tags at all one way or another.

Which almost brings me to my point. Say you get 100 backlinks in one day, using whatever method you happen to be using. And let's say those backlinks are all on relevant sites, but they are all on less frequently crawled sites. Let's ALSO say that, since we understand google does not crawl the entire internet every minute/hour/day checking for new links... those 100 links are discovered by google on a staggered schedule, bi-weekly or so, across a few weeks. Here's what we end up with: You actually got 100 decent backlinks in one day, but google doesn't recognize it that way. Google discovers 4 today, 12 tomorrow, 3 the next day, none the following day, 20 the day after, etcetera, over the course of three weeks.

Now... how many links is it actually safe to get per week? The question is almost impossible to answer in less than a short book.


I would say that unless you are doing tactical link spamming, you probably don't have to worry about how fast you get backlinks. If you are, then you're not going to find the answer here or another message board. The people that could actually answer the question won't, and the people that will answer the question probably don't know what they are talking about.

GL

[Splum]

Originally Posted by Wolfy

The people that could actually answer the question won't, and the people that will answer the question probably don't know what they are talking about.

Like yourself?

[EBORG9]

Originally Posted by beta-tester

there is no money in seo anyway....

None.
Not one dime.

[Subway]

Once my site was hacked, lots of sites talked about it and linked to my site.
My pagerank raise from pr1 to pr7 in one week.

So don't think it can hurt you.

[Socks]

Getting people to "naturally link" your articles in the porn world just doesn't happen the way it does in other industries, unless you write blog articles or something that get passed around.

[gimilin]

bump for you.

[gimilin]

Good luck man.

[$5 submissions]

Link exchanges suck ass now. SICK one way link growth will raise red flags UNLESS you do it with reviews or PR. Anyway, check my blog http://justtraffic.blogspot.com

[$5 submissions]

Originally Posted by beta-tester

focus on content and links will come themselves in very natural way and will 'healthy grow'...

AMEN TO THAT

[starpimps]

what does seo stand for??

[Wolfy]

Originally Posted by Splum

Like yourself?

Did I answer the question?

I think not.

[Wolfy]

Originally Posted by Splum

Like yourself?

Did I answer the question?

I think not.

[spacedog]

Originally Posted by starpimps

what does seo stand for??

Search Engine Optimization

[Marshal]

i don't think linkbacks from legit sites can do you bad. check out sites that has 50 mil inbound links like http://wordpress.org (just for example). check out their whois data and make the maths. they are getting enormous amount of inbound links daily and not banned yet!

as far as i can remember, according to google, you are only resposible for your outbound links...

[DarkJedi]

Originally Posted by baddog

10-20 a week

if you want your site sandboxed for a couple years

[Splum]

Originally Posted by nettrust

i don't think linkbacks from legit sites can do you bad. check out sites that has 50 mil inbound links like http://wordpress.org (just for example). check out their whois data and make the maths. they are getting enormous amount of inbound links daily and not banned yet!

as far as i can remember, according to google, you are only resposible for your outbound links...

Wordpress's ranking within the Google system is manipulated by the Trustrank team. The normal rules dont apply to sites such as Wordpress.

[Nicky]

Interesting topic, I dont think it hurts you to get a couple of link trades per week as long as they are relevant.

[jayeff]

Originally Posted by nettrust

i don't think linkbacks from legit sites can do you bad. check out sites that has 50 mil inbound links like http://wordpress.org (just for example)

True. And a lot of adult search results are dominated by the long-established TGP's and links lists which have thousands of backlinks courtesy of their submitters. The problems start when such models are downscaled and manipulated.

The biggest difference is that most adult sites are looking for link exchanges. WordPress doesn't exchange links, hence the value of its outbound links to template and plugin submitters. Thumbzilla doesn't exchange links: all the inbound links from submitters point to the same page, whereas the outbound links are contextual and every one is to a different gallery (even although many galleries are on the same domains).

Compare that to sites with long lists of "friends", a format which doesn't remotely resemble natural/organic linking and which is simplicity itself for the SE's to spot. And of course such lists only run to a few dozen links, not the thousands in the examples above.

You are right that you are not penalized for inbound links, but that misses the point that most adult sites are looking for reciprocal links. It's the same flaw in thinking which prompted someone to ask me in another thread yesterday if it could be a bad thing for a PR0 site to get an inbound link from a PR5 site. Even if the answer were simple, the question ignores not only whether the PR5 site might be damaged, but why the owner would agree to the link in the first place.

Also it never takes long for someone to pop up and make the obvious point that natural linking is (near) impossible for most adult sites. That is also true, but since the SE's make no secret of being on the lookout for sites which try to manipulate them, how can it make sense to deal with our reality as transparently as we do?

I suppose we should cover all the bases and there are always those who say but I did this, or I did that and my sites score well in the SE's. Well why not? Linking is only one factor in a site's score and not critical unless a site is actually banned. But the point remains that it is ludicrous to imagine that because we can't/won't handle links as the SE's want, they will change their rules for us and give us higher scores for doing the exact opposite.

[MrChips]

Read www.fuckedgoogle.com - all the info you will ever need about google.

[teksonline]

wake up people, do you think google sits there and has a record for every site and every day, oh no alks38982.com got 100 back links today lets penalize him his domain is only 4 days old

if there is such propoganda, there would be a ratio

domain is xx days old * backlinks ^3.1415 / natual common weight of backlinks + 1^1 for every pr5 +1^2 for every pr4 +1^3 - howmuchwehateadultsites +bonus for having snoopies name

[Wolfy]

Originally Posted by teksonline

domain is xx days old * backlinks ^3.1415 / natual common weight of backlinks + 1^1 for every pr5 +1^2 for every pr4 +1^3 - howmuchwehateadultsites +bonus for having snoopies name

you are obviously a fucking genius. Please solve AIDS when you get a free minute or two, that one's been bothering me.

[cranki]

Originally Posted by Wolfy

you are obviously a fucking genius. Please solve AIDS when you get a free minute or two, that one's been bothering me.

give him a break, they haven't discussed algorithms in maths class yet...

[Wolfy]

actually, I really found his post amusing.

yours, on the other hand...

[TheDoc]

This post is back to the front again?

10-20 a week? Please... You can build 1000's a month. Yes, if you have a fresh site, no traffic, and you build that many backlinks that fast, you will probably get caught - if you even get out of the sandbox.

Affiliate programs can easily build more than 10-20 a day to fresh sites.
Wordpress.org is an authority site, it can pretty get any amount, even from bad neighborhoods.

On a site, doing traffic, with age, they can build backlinks at 1000's a month and never get caught. The higher the site is ranked, the faster they can add backlinks. Many factors weight in, like bad neighborhoods, speed/growth of the back links, relevance of backlinks, and so on.

You can still exchange hardlinks with people - a few doesn't hurt. If you want to exchange links you should blog about different categories/niches/posts with people you want to exchange with, that way you create deep links that don't link back from within the category/post.


The thing is very very few adult sites or webmasters have to worry about the rate at which they build backlinks. For the most part you can go balls the wall, if you have places to get solid backlinks or a way to build solid backlink sites - then have the hell at it.