No I did'nt Splum. I mererly asked for you to clarify a part of your post that I found somewhat contradictory. The only way Jesus is still with us today is by two means ;

A. The christian church's teachings on his life and deeds.

B. The written historical record by his contemperaries and solid archealogical evidence.

Whilst answer A is being proven steadly wrong, answer B is being proven steadly wright. The problem here for many christians is that the facts that answer B is turning up doesn't suit their belifes and dogma's and tends to upset their lazy sensibilities.

LOL, now here you are making very little sense at all and are probably letting your imagination run away with itself. Maybe you need to take a little break from the debate and calm down a little.

I am not speaking LITERALLY about Jesus power, but Jesus(which is the BASIS of Christianity) still remains omnipotent in this day and age.
How would you know what is and isnt a problem for Christians? Christians have something called faith which you know very little about. It explains everything instantly without need for "physical scientific evidence".
See you are coming from the viewpoint of a "science" which is also a religion(but I digress thats another argument) and obviously you seem to think that with scientific evidence you can disband Christianity and make Christians atheists. What you fail to understand is that Christianity is such a perfect religion that nothing can physical can disprove it to its believers.
Learn what faith is and what it means then continue this conversation with me when you can acknowledge its power.

Don't think I'm ignoring your last post splum but have to go out for a couple of hours and I will get back to this debate when I come back.

no idea...

FAITH, n.
Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel.

Wow touchy subject. I didn't know religion has a place in this forum. Everyone believes something different. I accept that. For me, ignorance is unaccepting of something different. To each their own.

Yes, but let's not kill the largest industry ever now. Christianity sells.

I always looked at religion as being a way to tell people how to think and act much like the bill of rights and the constitution, etc. I feel that it was probably useful before there was government, police, and laws to control the masses.

Jesus was a man, but he was not the son of god. There is no god. Something that doesnt exist cant have a son...

what they found is a coffin with the name Jesus on it. 100 years from now they are going to find hotel sign in books with the name John Smith on it and think, "wow this dude is everywhere, like Jesus... All hail the John Smith who fucks more women in one night than all of us"

that is only one way of looking at it.

I happen to chose to believe in a God - makes more sense to me

Religion is the biggest business in the world, I dont believe mostly everything from the "book" and Buddha, and Alla, etc etc

Christianity generates more profit than Walmart, Microsoft & and every oil company in the world combined

it be interesting to know that part of our culture and find the descendants.. but on the other hand, maybe Jesus should just stay Jesus, and Heysoos should be left to dust

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ok...I think faith is merely believing in something that cannot be proven to you with empirical or physical evidence. If you think just because people don't subscribe to a religion they don't know what faith is then you are sorely mistaken. You cannot see, touch, or smell a feeling you have like love, but you still believe in it. With respect to your science as a religion comment, I'd like to see you qualify that statement without talking about scientology. Science exists because there are many questions that religion has failed to answer and I'm not just talking about Christianity here. Without science and the scientific method we would not know much about anything and we would probably still be dying in our 20's or 30's. Where would our society be without the advancement of science and technology?

I almost fell off my chair when I read; "Christians have something called faith which you know very little about. It explains everything instantly without need for physical scientific evidence". What is explained to you? Does it not bother you that there are other religions out there that contradict what you know to be "absolute truth"? How do you explain this phenomenon?

I'm not going to sit here and bash religion or Christianity because I'm not that kind of a guy. I understand where you are coming...Just because I do not subscribe to it does not mean that I don't understand its utility. If you believe in something, then great for you, I am happy for you that you have something fulfilling in your life. But please do not be that guy or girl that has to convince everyone else that they are wrong because they don't have the same beliefs as you do.

why does it always post double for me?

OK, probably best if I take this in sections again.

Sorry but again utterly wrong here. The basis or roots of Christianity can be traced back much earlier than the time of Jesus Christ and the advent of the Christian church.

You only have to talk to them to see that sadly many of them seem to have an affliction to anything that contradicts anything that they have convinced themselves of.

Oh I have faith my friend, but not in the blind, lazy, arrogant type so many ignorant people choose to posses rather than enrich themselves with truth.

Well again I think you are letting your imagination run away with itself here. I couldn't care less what Christians choose to become or not become, but I do think that it's high time that the Christain church started to treat their belivers in a more honest and grown up way.

And that is one sad inditement on the christian mindset.

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Knowlege = Power

Faith = So often a dangerous substitute for knowledge

How does an imaginary friend make more sense?

I wonder what Donny thinks about all this.

Would be another perspective to hear his take on all this.

Nice try, but here how about a little more reputable source than the devils dictionary lol.

Faith
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.

There is but one god and his name is Archiot.

I have more faith in Bierce's definition

Uhm Christianity is named "Christianity" for a reason lol. THE CHRIST. Yes there were "religions" before Jesus but Jesus "started" Christianity.


That would entirely be your opinion. I know MANY Christians that are much happier than most normal people.



Actually I would argue having faith in Christianity is absolutely not lazy its very "hard" to logically comprehend the religion on that level. Ignorance to science maybe but not ignorance in general. You paint with a wide brush here, there are many who believe in Christianity with a higher intellect than both you and I.

YOU think its high time? Who made you a God? They already have a God why would they listen to what someone as obviously irrelevant as you would say? I dont mean that as a personal attack but trust me you will never be an authority on the subject.

So POWER is the goal we should all strive to achieve in our lives?

Also I find it extremely offensive that you think Christianity(and to a more general extent religion) is a bad thing that should be "destroyed".

1. Half of the world believe in Jesus, One third of the world believes in Christianity.
2. Science is a MAN MADE religion as well, we come to conclusions according to laws and measurements that were made BY MAN.
3. Science has yet to prove there is no "creator".
4. Prove to me that science can explain the creation of the universe.

Yes, Christianity does have that name for a reason. It comes from the Greek term "Christos" which means, ( roughly translated from the old Greek ), " One who is annointed with sacred oil" .Jesus Christ, ( or to give him his proper title - Jesus the Christ), was one of a select band who had been annoited with sacred oil by preists after they were satisfied he had attained a certain level of knowledge and spiritual enlightenment. Two other figures from the time of JC who were probably annointed in such a way were Simon Magus and John the Baptist.

Although JC's religious sect was primarily that of the Essene's Many of the teachings and strictures of JC can be reliably traced back to several sources including ancient Egypt, the far East and India. As I stated earlier in this thread he allmost certainly was privaledged enough to be the recipient of an exceptional education in wisdom and esoteric subjects, but he wasn't the only one.

Yes of course there is, but lets not forget there are plenty of those same high intellectuals that also disagree.

What are you talking about now ? - I merely stated my opinion and LOL, did'nt bother God in any way. "Never be an authority on the subject".........LOL, now who's playing God ?

For me no. Enlightenment through knowledge is my goal.

Now you are becoming delusional - were in any of my posts do I make such a arrogant claim ?

Science gives us the why's and wherefore's - everything has to work somehow. It is religion that can often give us the wide brush strokes.

Well not really. Modern science is actualy leading toward a theory that there was a "creator" of the unverse.

Strange. you seem to be ridiculing the scientific approach at one moment and then in the next asking it to give you answers.

I think wizhard is referring to the elements of other religions that seemed to be borrowed and imposed on top of Christianity.

Quick overview: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CffC1S6tgfw

I do believe on Jesus Christ...

He is the Son of God who is born to a virgin on the 25th of December before three shepherds. He is a prophet who offers his followers the chance to be born again through the rites of baptism. He is a wonderworker who raises the dead and miraculously turns water into wine at a marriage ceremony. He is God incarnate who dies at Easter, through crucifixion, but who resurrects on the third day. He is a savior who offers his followers redemption through partaking in a meal of bread and wine, symbolic of his body and blood.


His name? Osiris.

I know you were just funnin - but the hilarious part of all of this shit is that jesus wasnt even born in Dec - the celebration on Dec 25th was a Pagan rite based on the birthday of Mithras the Persian Sun god - the church just changed in around 300 ad
It was even outlawed in the early USA (the Puritans) to celebrate Dec 25th as "christmas" due to the pagan connotations

the whole thing makes for a nice fable and tale for those that cant handle life on their own - I guess some feeble minded people need something to hold onto to make their life worthwhile?

Yes you are quite right colin. It's also quite interesting to see how all the major religions of the world have points of commonality between them to such a degree that it's highly probable that they all stemmed from the same root.

Yes, the parralels between Egytpian mythology and Christianity are quite startelling, LOL, I wonder how many christians realise that the "Amen" they intone at the end of their prayers is actually an intonement to the Egyptian sun God Amen-Ra ?

are we still talking about this bastard who had a whore for a mom ?
drop it and move on to something more important in life like how we bring home the troops from the middle east back home as they are there because of the ego of so called president called George Bush A/K/A THE BIG ASSHOLE IN WASHINGTON

christianity is a blight upon the face of the earth, along w/ most* other organized religions imo... control system for the weak minded. according to your numbers your in good company splum..

I have no doubt that "Jesus" existed. But the rest of the story is either pure fantasy, rumors or propaganda spread by politicians and eventually, religions.

Finding his grave is perfectly reasonable and using it to tear down organized Christianity gives me a woody.

It was already proven that was a bullshit.

Marketing stunt James Cameron style.

No matter what happens, JesusBucks is still the best performing program ever devised. Been around forever, great payoffs (who can say no to eternal life in heaven?)... not to mention the high "conversion" and retention rates! Where do I signup to promote?

Yes, one of the main problems religious historians have faced over the last 30 years or so is the unwillingness of the Catholic church to give them access to the material that they undoubtedly possess that could help them build an more accurate history of the life of JC.

Thankfully, ( and much to the annoyance of the church ), enought reliable sources have been found outside the church's control to enable them to allmost complete the task and in the procces nailing many of the cynical lies the church has been peddling for centuries.

There is? Please elaborate.

There's no doubt in my mind that "Yahshua" (Jesus) was an actual person. However, I definitely do not believe he was the savior of mankind or the "son of God." He was probably just some delusional megalomaniac. Hell, in the Bible it even states that some of his followers began to think he was just some crazy guy and stopped following him completely.

That being said, I doubt the bones they've supposedly found are really his. I very highly doubt that it's a scam by James Cameron to make money, though. I mean, really, come on. The guy's already rich beyond belief. The thought of him concocting this story to make a few extra bucks is laughable.

ROFL! I'am a Pastafarian too!